o dear, the boys have there toys out yet again. pls motor cars are for men not children

o dear, the boys have there toys out yet again. pls motor cars are for men not children

Out of every single comment on this thread, that has to be the most pointless.

Out of every single comment on this thread, that has to be the most pointless.

it was till you posted, now it's my turn:rofl:

120d (M-Sport)

They'd certainly last longer than a Skodas, how many old Skodas (or VW's if you wanna play it that way) do you still see on the roads compared to old beemers? not many.

In all honesty that depends on where you live and the type of VW you're on about. Prior to VW ownership all Skodas were classed as rubbish so you didn't even see many news ones let alone old ones. In the case of VW's, I see a fair few old Golf GTi's, say MKII and MKIII. Old Beemers are getting rarer too. My iS is 14 years old this Feb and after 175,500 miles it's on it's last legs (inc 1 engine replacement). People tend to keep more beemers for longer because they love them. There's a real obsession with the older ones (I was a member of the e36coupe site for several years) as people do/ **** them up and restore the neglected ones they accidentally bought. You don't tend to see people doing that with boggo standard old VW's.

The main thing that's now killing off the old Beemers is rust. Prior to the E46 (circa 1998) they were never very good in that department. The engines do last a very long time providing the weak cooling systems are taken care of and the oil is changed regularly. But they're not bullet proof as everyone thinks. Nikasil faults, dodgy water pumps, cracked cylinder heads etc all plague BMW engines. It was shocking to see how many nearly new 3's and 5's my independant specialist had in with complete engine failures and blown head gaskets. You'd think BMW were fitting Rover K series engines, not the high quality motors we expect. :thumbdwn:

When they're running well and lavishly tended to they run forever. When they're not they fall apart very quickly. This is why I'm now veering away from BMW ownership after owning 3 of them as my wallet now looks like something from the Adams Family. :(

The oldest BMW you tend to see these days is around 1991 - H reg and those tend to be the 5 series as they're classed to be the best built BMW of all time.

Even until recent years, VW were classed as making some of the most reliable and long lived cars you could buy. It's only since the advent of the Golf MK IV that things went downhill and they were plagued with build quality faults.

I think judging by the JD power surveys and the fact that you see so many high miler Skoda Octavia taxi's kicking about that Skoda have got something to prove in the build quality department and are making a real effort. The build on the vRS I got feels far superior to my 3 series I'm getting shot of. Shut the doors and it's 'whump' not 'clunk'. The gear change feels solid not rubbery too, and there's no drivetrain shunt when engaging drive.

Yes I know it does have 175000 miles on, but the 320i I had with 57000 miles on did the same things and felt just as iffy in certain departments.

Log onto e36coupe.com and see how many common faults crop up and the overwhelming variety of them. Not good for a car that originally cost over £20k.

The people on there throw so much ££ at their cars and that's what keeps them running, not the fact that they're unbreakable.

The only real thing I can find that goes on the Fabia regularly seems to be water ingress due to dodgy door seals. The handling traits are not faults as such, just traits.

Been there, done that, worn the T-shirt and am now looking for something different.

People tend to keep more beemers for longer because they love them.

Yup, my dad won't part with his M' reg 525D with starship miles because it's worth more to him than selling it, and has been faultless.

It's not a money issue, he's very comfortable.

Id just like to add, fiar point if your not knocking it, then why did u just come out with, my standard bmw is faster, what i also dont get, not just aimed at you.....why there are ex VRS owners and all they do is come on here, say ow slow the fabia is n then say there not slating it, e.g scooby chris and LCR whatever, i mean i really dont get why ur still on here if u dont own VRS's? whats point, u say ur not slating it when really thats all u do and finish ur sentence with that.

Really guys this is one of the worst forums iv been on EVER!

I posted it to provoke a reaction, and I got one.

Raced mine with a Jabba'd vRS? No I haven't, and quite frankly I couldn't care less who won (although I must admit I think it would be close)

I only wanted the people to bite who persistently claim to have beaten other cars on the road. It frustrates me when I am sure half these people don't even realise there is a Skoda Fabia vRS trying to race them, but they are just maintaining their normal pace.

I am on here because I like the members, I think Skoda have attracted a wide range of people to skilled, professional, young and old. There is a wealth of knowledge on this forum and a sea of opinions.

I used to not like people pointlessly slagging off the vRS when I owned one and naturally you defend you purchase and decision. But now I don't own one and have taken a step back from the insults I can see why people persist in winding up Fabia vRS owners, because 9/10 times the reaction is priceless.

Stick around, you'll grow to see what its all about

It is easy to see why people respond the way they do. The Fabia vRS does have a certain quirky charm that wins the hearts of most owners quite easily and as such they will defend it to the hilt. Not sure why some would go so far as to say they can annihilate V8 BMW's mind but I can understand people taking a stand to say they're not slow, cos they're not. They're just not rocketships either.

It's odd....you don't get such behaviour on BMW forums, but then again on there they're quite willing to admit that their 328i's or whatever aren't the fastest thing on the roads and rely on the posing factor instead. "Yeah he beat me but my car looked more cool".....that kind of thing.

It's funny....I remember a post a while ago from a dismayed 328i owner that said how he was bested by a Fabia vRS. That was when they'd just come out and no-one knew what they were. Classic.

It is easy to see why people respond the way they do. The Fabia vRS does have a certain quirky charm that wins the hearts of most owners quite easily and as such they will defend it to the hilt. Not sure why some would go so far as to say they can annihilate V8 BMW's mind but I can understand people taking a stand to say they're not slow, cos they're not. They're just not rocketships either.

It's odd....you don't get such behaviour on BMW forums, but then again on there they're quite willing to admit that their 328i's or whatever aren't the fastest thing on the roads and rely on the posing factor instead. "Yeah he beat me but my car looked more cool".....that kind of thing.

It's funny....I remember a post a while ago from a dismayed 328i owner that said how he was bested by a Fabia vRS. That was when they'd just come out and no-one knew what they were. Classic.

Well said my friend.

Walkie did u catch my second post on the previous page?

I got 9.07 seconds 0 - 60mph with 2 mates in the car in my newly acquired vRS

And one of those mates weighed 18st as well!!

So I personally don't believe Skoda's Whitepaper time at all, no idea where they got that one from?? :confused:

P.S. I've just got my vRS before christmas, came from a 1.4mpi and the change is ridiculous, I love the car but what I've loved even more is wiping every smile off every one of my mate's face - priceless.

I got 9.07 seconds 0 - 60mph with 2 mates in the car in my newly acquired vRS

No doubt measured highly accurately with proffesional timing gear

And not at all done by a mate with a stopwatch and "yeah that looks about 60 - ish"

If anything, the official times are going to be optimistic.

IIRC, the 0-60 time is also an average of several runs in various directions so you may see less, you may see more depending on the prevailing conditions. As John says, they also use proper timing gear and speed measurements

Chris

I think judging by the JD power surveys and the fact that you see so many high miler Skoda Octavia taxi's kicking about that Skoda have got something to prove in the build quality department and are making a real effort.

I've got quite a few of those 'high miler Octavia taxis" kicking about, trust me, we haven't kept them because they are reliable, although the MK 1 Octy is the most reliable of the Skodas, gearboxes have to be replaced with unnerving regularity along with a host of other design faults that mean there are constant problems in certain areas of the vehicle.

The only reason they are still going is because they were so cheap to buy in the first place, they came with a 3 year unlimited mileage warranty, and they are worth f*ck all second hand.

Sadly none of the above still applies (except the worth f*ck all second hand) the warranty has been reduced and the price has gone up, not only that but the MK2 Octavia has been so unreliable most of ours have now been returned as un-fit for purpose.

Dont buy any second hand silver MK2 Octys in the south of England, there probably our cast off's!

Expect Skoda to slip down the JD power survey results soon as now they are no longer priced as 'budget' vehicles people wont put up with the sh*te build quality and sh*te dealers.

No doubt measured highly accurately with proffesional timing gear

And not at all done by a mate with a stopwatch and "yeah that looks about 60 - ish"

If anything, the official times are going to be optimistic.

Yeah that pretty much sums up what I did , but still, how in-accurate can that be?

im sure i read somewhere on here skoda did there 0-60 times will a full load?

im sure i read somewhere on here skoda did there 0-60 times will a full load?

Yeah course they did:rolleyes:

That would explain why the little Fabia keeps beating BMW's / Mustangs / Porsches / Ferraris etc.

It's obvious now I think about it, Skoda must have quoted it as 9.5 on purpose so people didn't think it was a Fast car, that way they would have sold less of them so as to keep it more exclusive, and keep their favourite customers who are 'in the know' happier.

Yeah that pretty much sums up what I did , but still, how in-accurate can that be?

If we were talking 0-60 in 300 odd seconds, then a second here and there is fine.

But when its a matter of under 10 seconds, it's very in-accurate.

Yeah course they did:rolleyes:

That would explain why the little Fabia keeps beating BMW's / Mustangs / Porsches / Ferraris etc.

It's obvious now I think about it, Skoda must have quoted it as 9.5 on purpose so people didn't think it was a Fast car, that way they would have sold less of them so as to keep it more exclusive, and keep their favourite customers who are 'in the know' happier.

Skodas 0-60 time for the vrs is quoted as fully laiden with 3 passengers and a boot full of luggage. It says so in their own figures in the small print.

"Yeah course they did

That would explain why the little Fabia keeps beating BMW's / Mustangs / Porsches / Ferraris etc.

It's obvious now I think about it, Skoda must have quoted it as 9.5 on purpose so people didn't think it was a Fast car, that way they would have sold less of them so as to keep it more exclusive, and keep their favourite customers who are 'in the know' happier. "

i wasn't saying that was a fact, hence the question mark you silly c.ock

Blimey people!

Coming from the world of Scoobynet it should be quite easy to fit in around here:D

Comparing my new Fabia to my old Scoob is pointless as is comparing it to BMW's etc...etc.., I bought one...I love it...end of story

VRS owners, I have seen these types of threads hundreds of times before on lots of different forums, you will never own a car that will get universal respect from different car owners (unlikely unless your numbers come up or you rate horsepower over living comfortably, house etc) there is always something quicker to make you feel jealous of (if you let it)

I have driven lots of nice cars and the VRS is quick....... as is most cars mentioned on this thread, I know....I also own a 1.6 petrol Scenic 2 and that is slow:thumbup:

All chill out stop quoting stupid figures (0-100 who cares?) and enjoy the banter, of course I am new here so if you want just tell me to shut up:)

Nice to be here

what the f*** are you on if you dont like the vrs why did you buy one in the first place and you obviously think it was cool to mention you have a tt now so what they were good when they first come out but now you can pick them up cheap ,now i would be impressed if you said it was one of the new ones not that i think there anything special but that you had some money behind you i ve owned a clio 172, 2 mark 4 golf gti s ,a focus rs, and a honda s200 and at the moment i have a fab vrs and soon be getting a new octavia vrs or golf gti as well as keeping the fab but you dont see me mentioning all these. the vrs isnt setting out to be a sports car or super fast but what it is ,is a good value fun car that also makes a good family car hence why i bought one when i started a family couldn t afford to keep the honda too , so if you havent got anything good to say dont say anything and i have test drove the tt 225 and it was nothing special in terms of performance thats why i went with the honda not slagging audi off though i love anything vag.

what the f*** are you on if you dont like the vrs why did you buy one in the first place and you obviously think it was cool to mention you have a tt now so what they were good when they first come out but now you can pick them up cheap ,now i would be impressed if you said it was one of the new ones not that i think there anything special but that you had some money behind you i ve owned a clio 172, 2 mark 4 golf gti s ,a focus rs, and a honda s200 and at the moment i have a fab vrs and soon be getting a new octavia vrs or golf gti as well as keeping the fab but you dont see me mentioning all these. the vrs isnt setting out to be a sports car or super fast but what it is ,is a good value fun car that also makes a good family car hence why i bought one when i started a family couldn t afford to keep the honda too , so if you havent got anything good to say dont say anything and i have test drove the tt 225 and it was nothing special in terms of performance thats why i went with the honda not slagging audi off though i love anything vag.

Near impossible to read, sort it out.

pls pls stop you are embarrassing all of you.

pls pls stop you are embarrassing all of you.

Oh look it's chris_know'sf.uck all

You've put nothing into this thread and you obvisouly don't like what your reading, so do us all a favour mate, dont.

Put your handbag away son....im trying to direct this thread elsewhere

lol. just giving advice Like you are

as you were:D

Oh look it's chris_know'sf.uck all

:rofl:

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Whats a Fabia vRS anyway?