I'm just curios if 300 bhp is reliably possible from the 130 pd engine? Also, what is the maximum torque anybody has put through the drivetrain?

Also - what is the strongest clutch avaliable for it?

TIA

I think the crucial word in that question is 'reliably'.

Is it possible? More than likely. Is it reliably possible? Probably not - every original component is operating within tolerances & I'll wager at that output you're stressing components you've not even considered as weak points.

Also, by reliably do you mean reliably for a year or reliably for 3 or 5 or 10 years? I suspect that over a relatively short timeframe you wouldn't have a great deal of problems with the basic block & internals etc but over 5 years you undoubtedly would.

I'm not a mechanic, but just my two penneth worth.

Allard do turbos to suit... But Im sure the drivetrain would struggle...

A chain is only as strong as the weakest link - it's likely possible, but I have been told by a reliable authority that the PD 130 doesn't like high boost - the head is too "soft".

If you want hp - put in a 1.8T. Torque is the name of the game with modding the derv.

my 2p...

Bas

Can't offer any help on the engine, however regarding the drive train the JBS Octavia vRS is putting 600bhp and 500ftlb through a 6spd gearbox that's standard other than a Quaife ATB diff and kevlar clutch.

In a FABIA i am running 430lbft and 247bhp and to be honest it will keep up with 300hp cars on the road without much of a struggle, as for a 300hp 130pd watch this space

Luke

Jabba Luke has hit the nail on the head.

"Hp sells cars, torque wins races" (Caroll Shelby, ex-Ford CEO, designer of the Shelby Cobra).

If its for driving "briskly" - concentrate on torque, good 240+bhp will follow, and you will have the reliability of the PD 130 plus relative fuel economy. If its for carrying around a RR map printout to show the logged bhp to others that's another matter.

You really should get Jason to comment as well - he's got "the knowledge" when it comes to what you can and cannot do with this engine....

Hope my directness is not misinterpreted as being impolite to anyone...

Bas

Depends if you want 300bhp all the time or a headline figure with NOS.

Depends a lot on the RR.

My 265 / 455 set up only ran for short periods the drivetrain was fine but it wasn't very usable day to day you lost a lot of cornering speed. The turbo only lasted 2400 miles.

If you want 300bhp for straight lines then yes you can do it. If you want a car to drive day to day you can have a reliable 220bhp set up for around 2k. Plus clutch and diff if you really want but a limited torque 220 map can be done.

Another way is to lighten the car to increase the BHP per tonne

It is a can of worms and different tunners still don't take their cars to other RR's Just look at the Mk2 Revo fiasco. The best way to tell is the bum dyno on the track.

Now if you'd said is 360bhp was possible in a Fabia I'd have said maybe

Thanks for your input so far. Yes, I realise torque is the key here

The 6 speed box sounds up to the job then.

Luke, I'm currently running a stage 1 Turbo Dynamics Garret Turbocharger, Forge FMIC, exhaust etc, but which clutch should I get? I'm anticipating similar figures to yours with any luck.

I am also looking into a dry nos kit.......

I would like to retain the car's day to day usability, but also just enjoy it a little more

Re stripping out -

Got it covered

Thanks for your input so far. Yes, I realise torque is the key here

The 6 speed box sounds up to the job then.

Luke, I'm currently running a stage 1 Turbo Dynamics Garret Turbocharger, Forge FMIC, exhaust etc, but which clutch should I get? I'm anticipating similar figures to yours with any luck.

I am also looking into a dry nos kit.......

I would like to retain the car's day to day usability, but also just enjoy it a little more

I'd recommend a clutch from here: SPEC Clutches & Flywheels: Auto Parts, Domestic, Import, Truck, Racing, Drifting

An aluminium single mass flywheel will allow quicker revving but is noisy at idle and coast down on the 6spd. However there are DMF options too if you want to retain it.

Re stripping out -

Got it covered

Air con next it weighs lots, nearly as much as the back seat

Air con next it weighs lots, nearly as much as the back seat

About 15kgs right at the front of the car I think Jason said . It's on my to do list

Thanks for the link Eddy.

Yours run in now? Must be due for some fish and chips

I find this ROFLOL funny, taking out the air con to cut down on weight.

Well sure its going to be like losing a fairly heavy dumpbell but really when it comes to the summer 30+ degrees sat in traffic with the fan just blowing hot air at you while everyone else is sitting windows closed shivering ....

Seriously though why would you want to do this? Is it that your taking it racing or just to prove a point?

You must also really realise that car buyers pay more for air con in cars and really would question those who have had it removed on the reasoning it may save x tenths of a second on a lap of a track....

Or if your overtaking it might mean a few more HP is available - again you wouldnt even feel the difference. You will come summer mind

Jabba Luke - was it your Fabia which was in a Mag recently featuring Tuned cars and everyone elses they were not that impressed by but yours they thought was lol funny at how fast it was - IIRC it maxed out at 147 over 1.5miles & 0-60 just under 7 seconds.

Basil,

What's high-boost?

More to the point, it's possible to get huge lbft numbers, greater than 350lbft. What BAR is required to generate this torque. I'd guess around 1.8-2.0 bar.

If I had to guess what's limiting BHP, I'd guess - breathing. Then you start looking at valves, ports, cams, manifolds... If the 2.0 bottom end has a bigger bore, maybe use that with a big valve head.

J.

IIRC beyond about 2 BAR - what you'd get going with a bigger turbo than the TD hybrid stage 2 VNT20.

I asked a well-known tuner about getting the bigger non-hybrid TD VNT20 which costs almost the same as the hybrid stage 2, and I was told to stick with the smaller hybrid as the bigger turbo can generate enough boost to cause some loss of reliability. Manifold fabrication for the bigger turbo is not an issue for me (got a welder and good mates)..

Mine is a daily driver, and reliability is a must. Especially in the 45 degree heat out here.

Next upgrade for me would be some proper driving instruction - no use having the power without being able to use it properly.

I find this ROFLOL funny, taking out the air con to cut down on weight.

Well sure its going to be like losing a fairly heavy dumpbell but really when it comes to the summer 30+ degrees sat in traffic with the fan just blowing hot air at you while everyone else is sitting windows closed shivering ....

Seriously though why would you want to do this? Is it that your taking it racing or just to prove a point?

You must also really realise that car buyers pay more for air con in cars and really would question those who have had it removed on the reasoning it may save x tenths of a second on a lap of a track....

Or if your overtaking it might mean a few more HP is available - again you wouldnt even feel the difference. You will come summer mind

I'm glad you are amused. 30 degrees? Here? In Blackpool - rarely. Stuck in traffic? Never mate.

Why would I want to do this? Because I can.

Resale? Not an issue. Thanks for your constructive comments.

do look at a SMF setup - dunno if you saw that thread I posted afew days ago but its effect on the car is like dropping 70-100lbs weight.

And as far as mods go - if it feels good do it! power to you mate....

Bas

do look at a SMF setup - dunno if you saw that thread I posted afew days ago but its effect on the car is like dropping 70-100lbs weight.

And as far as mods go - if it feels good do it! power to you mate....

Bas

Thanks Basil. Thats some saving - 100lbs!! :eek: What would you recommend, as i couldnt find a Fabia application on the linked clutch website?

Can't offer any help on the engine, however regarding the drive train the JBS Octavia vRS is putting 600bhp and 500ftlb through a 6spd gearbox that's standard other than a Quaife ATB diff and kevlar clutch.

Hmm... Has that been tested on a rolling road other than JBS's?

Hmm... Has that been tested on a rolling road other than JBS's?

if it's their 'demo' car, it's been 'tested' many times.... holds the third fastest car ever at VW magazine I believe, can't can't quite remember (was a long time since I was at JBS reading the mag) but think it was 170+mph....

as for a clarification of the BHP... no idea! (I'm sure Eddie will know...)

do look at a SMF setup - dunno if you saw that thread I posted afew days ago but its effect on the car is like dropping 70-100lbs weight.

It will vibrate a bit when idleing but yeah it will take a fair bit of weight out of the front end, which you may need sort the springs out to compensate.

And as far as mods go - if it feels good do it! power to you mate....

Bas

Damn right, go for it dude! If any of us listened to the Trollmiester we would be driving BMW's and have no community here to speak of.

It will vibrate a bit when idleing but yeah it will take a fair bit of weight out of the front end, which you may need sort the springs out to compensate.

Damn right, go for it dude! If any of us listened to the Trollmiester we would be driving BMW's and have no community here to speak of.

You're all pigging mad you lot.

I think we should get all these nutty cars together at one BHP mad meet, that would be something worth seeing........and hearing.

PS Dave I have the clutch you need sitting in my garage.

Not often to see you in this part of the forum Des