How can driving faster into a pedestrian, child or cyclist in a bigger car be any safer for them?

You've missed the point Phil - everyone wouldn't be travelling faster, they'd all be sat waiting for someone to let them out at a junction...

Rob.

The other BIG downside is tat the 1 series is PIG UGLY! (IMHO ofcourse)

Chis Bangle must have been on the hallucinogens when he designed most of the current BMW range (and the Fiat Coupe for that matter)! (No offence to owners but hell they are ugly!)

I think the 1 series will be like the Z4 though - it'll grow on you and before long you'll just se eit as "another car" rather than a particularly ugly one.

Its never going to be a pretty car but it'll become "normal" before too long.

Quite a lot - most of my journeys involve merging onto a slip road from a standing start, and full throttle is the quickest way to get up to speed. And if I was in an M3 and the guy next to me was in 330D, I'd reach the end of the sliproad first - or, to put it in another way, in the "real world" (and indeed in any other), it's a quicker car.

:rofl: So in the "real world" a Citreon C3 1.4HDI would be even quicker, as you'd need even fewer fuel stops. :rofl:

Rob.

You really need that many full throttle standing starts??? Clearly you do not drive a high power car - I do and there is never any need to accelerate like that from 0 - 70mph on a slip road as its easily reached long before the slip road joins the motorway.

No a citroen C1 1.4hdi wouldnt be quicker as firstly it cannot do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds nor 155mph and the difference between the C1 & the 330d combined cycle is about 30mpg

I know for sure that the C1 has a much smaller fuel tank - so again arguement lost _ even if it was equal size to the BMW 330d then you have the issue of toilet breaks & driver tiredness - I mean can you really do greater than 470 miles in one stint? And thats at very high pace if you do the combined cycle then the 330d only needs refilling at 650 miles..... thats a very long way.

The other BIG downside is tat the 1 series is PIG UGLY! (IMHO ofcourse)

Chis Bangle must have been on the hallucinogens when he designed most of the current BMW range (and the Fiat Coupe for that matter)! (No offence to owners but hell they are ugly!)

With the exception of the Fiat Coupe I quite like them.

IMHO in the real world the 330d has to be one of the best cars around with that sort of performance coupled with very reasonable economy. If it had a hatchback it would be nearly perfect. I'm not a huge fan of the style of the current BMWs I prefer the previous generation (not to say I wouldn't buy one if I could afford it). I preferred the even earlier model to drive (the squarer one).

Clearly you do not drive a high power car

No, I don't.

I do and there is never any need to accelerate like that from 0 - 70mph on a slip road as its easily reached long before the slip road joins the motorway.

To be hionest, even when I'm driving a high powered car I accelerate as close to full throttle as traction allows - reaching target speed at a smooth pace.

I know for sure that the C1 has a much smaller fuel tank - so again arguement lost

Except I said a C3...

Rob.

Clearly you do not drive a high power car - I do

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What do you drive?

No a citroen C1 1.4hdi wouldnt be quicker as firstly it cannot do 0-60 in 6.7 seconds nor 155mph and the difference between the C1 & the 330d combined cycle is about 30mpg.

Why does the top speed come into it? Thrust SSC can go faster than a 535d but I'm sure the BMW would be a better "real world" car in terms of acceleration:confused: In fact, I wouldnt mind betting that the BMW will do 0-60 faster.

Oh this thread is so pointless, I almost got interested enough to post something usefull..

Nope can't do it :P

I found the 1 series that I did several thousand miles in (as opposed to read about once) very uncomfortable to spend time in, especially the front passenger seat and the rear center seat.

And shock, horror!!! They're not particularly great to drive :eek:

Apologies to anyone who happens to have read a review that says otherwise, what's real world experience compared to someone else's opinion and pointless figures.

Clearly you do not drive a high power car - I do

I thought you had a Fiat Coupe? :confused:

Chris

In fact, I wouldnt mind betting that the BMW will do 0-60 faster.

I belive a Nissan Serena diesel has a slightly quicker 0-60 time than the Thrust...

Rob.

I like the 1 series... but still I can think of other cars I would enjoy...

Talking of which I was following a rather nice Ferrari towards Lyndhurst the other day, shame the person driving it couldn't take corners without being on the brakes. Maybe he should do some advanced driving courses too

Clearly you do not drive a high power car - I do

Have you replaced the Fiat with something powerful? Good for you

Have you replaced the Fiat with something powerful? Good for you

Well given a std 20v Turbo does 0-60 in 6.0 and 0-100mph in 14seconds its much faster than any of the hottest hot hatch available today by a margin.

What cars are quicker? Jag XJR 370bhp is a 13.0 second car to 100mph BMW 335D is a 13.99 Porche 996 911 Carrera 2 does 0-100 in 11 seconds the old M3 does it in 11.9 seconds.

So you could say its in the ball park area of very pricy machinery - youd need to spend a lot of a car to go notably faster.

If you know of a std production car of any age which costs less that

But how often do you get to do standing starts? Not very often in the real world, so saying you have an (allegedly) high powered car means diddly squat when you only quote 0-60 and 0-100 times :confused:

I suspect this is why you secretly hanker after a lower-powered diesel engined car...

Chris

Well given a std 20v Turbo does 0-60 in 6.0 and 0-100mph in 14seconds its much faster than any of the hottest hot hatch available today by a margin..

Before you go making claims like that I suggest you google for some performance figures on the Astra VXR

What cars are quicker? Jag XJR 370bhp is a 13.0 second car to 100mph BMW 335D is a 13.99 Porche 996 911 Carrera 2 does 0-100 in 11 seconds the old M3 does it in 11.9 seconds.

Monaro CV8

So you could say its in the ball park area of very pricy machinery - youd need to spend a lot of a car to go notably faster.

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If you know of a std production car of any age which costs less that

Before you go making claims like that I suggest you google for some performance figures on the Astra VXR

Monaro CV8

I thought you were arguing about a "real world car" ? In which case why worry about getting to 100? In the "real world" the speed limit is just 70mph:P

What is the 30-70 time of the Fiat compared to others?

Well according to Autoexpress their "Dark Destroyer" which they spent

My comment about the Astra was after I noted the use of "by a margin" in your post. The 0-60 time of a standard Astra VXR is just 0.2 seconds more than a Fiat Coupe - hardly "a margin" is it?

I see you've made yet another well researched coment on the Monaro's fuel economy. I must say its so refreshing to see someone on here that doesnt' make sweeping generalisations they cant back up with facts. I wish I'd asked for your advice before I bought a care that barely does 15MPG

But how often do you get to do standing starts? Not very often in the real world, so saying you have an (allegedly) high powered car means diddly squat when you only quote 0-60 and 0-100 times :confused:

I suspect this is why you secretly hanker after a lower-powered diesel engined car...

Chris

Std 220bhp at 5500rpm with a rev range up to 7250 and 230lbf at 2800rpm - it also has Variable valve timing in reverse i.e. fully open at low revs to counter turbo lag.

Also weight of only 1200kg.

How many times do I do full throttle 0-60 & 0-100mph... um I think once in my ownership. I have of course had to chase down idiots in their 3.2v6 Audi TT's who have overtaken like idiots to show them what real power is all about - this usually entails coming off a round a bout and pulling 10+ car lengths as they listen to that throbbing 5 cylinder unit.

I'm sorry but 220bhp is not "high powered"

Chris

My comment about the Astra was after I noted the use of "by a margin" in your post. The 0-60 time of a standard Astra VXR is just 0.2 seconds more than a Fiat Coupe - hardly "a margin" is it?

I see you've made yet another well researched coment on the Monaro's fuel economy. I must say its so refreshing to see someone on here that doesnt' make sweeping generalisations they cant back up with facts. I wish I'd asked for your advice before I bought a care that barely does 15MPG

Going by the road tests seems justified. A 6ltr V8 which is a very old designed engine still push rod is it...

The new M3 V8 is claimed to do 22mpg ave but as testers have stated you'd have to be a saint to get close to it try low to middle teens and thats a 4ltr V8 - your a 6ltr V8.

When I say by a margin I mean the 0-100mph times. However as you point out they got 6.2 seconds to 60 but what has been found out is that that was achieved using the 19inch rims as the 18inch mean it doesnt do a GPS 60mph in 2nd.... so a marketing ploy...

Anyway 0.2 is still 3.33% slower and this grows to nearly 2 seconds by 100mph which is circa 14%.

Cracking the 6 second barrier could have been done in the std Fiat Coupe 20VT but they limited turbo boost in 1st & 2nd gear with out this limiter it is a 5.5 second car (fact). It is odd driving the std car as if you have been giving it full revs in 2nd then change up to 3rd the acceleration is more in 3rd than 2nd due to the fact boost is no longer limited to 0.4bar instead its allowed up to 0.8bar IIRC.

I'm sorry but 220bhp is not "high powered"

Chris

I agree thats why mine isnt std - try 276 to 280bhp.

However as std 220bhp and it does 14.0 to 100mph thats very efficient the VXR needs 20bhp more and still takes a couple of seconds to get there.

Jag XJR 370bhp does it in 13.5 seconds thats 168% more power & RWD just for 0.5 seconds....

I agree thats why mine isnt std - try 276 to 280bhp.

Even that's not high powered - any performance car coming out of Japan is restricted to that

Chris

I have of course had to chase down idiots in their 3.2v6 Audi TT's who have overtaken like idiots to show them what real power is all about - this usually entails coming off a round a bout and pulling 10+ car lengths as they listen to that throbbing 5 cylinder unit.

May I suggest three things:

1) You read this PistonHeads Headlines

2) You then read this Spare a thought...

3) You admit that you are a ******.

Even that's not high powered - any performance car coming out of Japan is restricted to that

Chris

Power to weight..... = circa 234bhp/tonne.

In addition those high powered Jap cars need servicing every 4000 miles - mine um 12k. big difference + they need 4wd to deliver the power I do not.

Anyway are we talking hight performance or low 0-100mph times?

Plus the 280bhp brick shaped Jap cars do struggle to breach 150mph - It is nice to fly past them on towards 165-170mph with a bit of a tail wind - thanks to its very low drag coefficient