I'd be interested to see some lap times for the Integra and the Fiat.

Hmm well I was thinking about a 1 series.. but think I'll have to get a fiat coupe turbo instead now

I'd be interested to see some lap times for the Integra and the Fiat.

Ah, but remember we are talking REAL WORLD and who in the REAL WORLD takes their cars on a track?

Hmm well I was thinking about a 1 series.. but think I'll have to get a fiat coupe turbo instead now

What? You mean you're not considering a 530d? You'll be flushing your pennies down the toilet! :nono:

I'd love to see a Fiat Coupe with 270bhp, crack 170mph. What's it being towed by to achieve that? A 123D?

What's it being towed by to achieve that? A 123D?

Don't be daft - the BM will be electronically limited to 155mph. Probably towed by some slow old Jap cr@p. Supra or Skyline?

Chris

35mpg for a 3 litre engine driven hard! That is impressive! a friend of mine has a Seat Leon Cupra (old shape) 150bhp 1.9 litre diesel and although he says its economical it dissapoints on economy when he nails it!

May I suggest three things:

1) You read this PistonHeads Headlines

2) You then read this Spare a thought...

3) You admit that you are a ******.

Amid all this frippery, that is actually a very touching storey on that "Spare a thought" link.:(

Hey I her Tenacious D are releasing a new song dedicated to the 123d :P

Hey I her Tenacious D are releasing a new song dedicated to the 123d :P

I'll bet it's the best song in the world!

Sorry!

Sorry to resurrect an old thread (and possibly Welshys BMW xenophobia) but has anyone driven a 123D? I have a bit of a liking for this model, at least on paper and if I can live with its small boot and odd looks, I really do fancy one. 0-62 in 6.9 (great for a standing start in a diesel) max of 148mph (good for motorway cruising) and real world mpg of possibly 50mpg on long runs. I could just about afford a good spec too if Drive the Deal are anything to go by (

Whats the difference between the 123 and the 118 diesels? I fancy a 118D SE or sport , would prefer the 3 door though.

Well given a std 20v Turbo does 0-60 in 6.0 and 0-100mph in 14seconds its much faster than any of the hottest hot hatch available today by a margin.

What cars are quicker? Jag XJR 370bhp is a 13.0 second car to 100mph BMW 335D is a 13.99 Porche 996 911 Carrera 2 does 0-100 in 11 seconds the old M3 does it in 11.9 seconds.

So you could say its in the ball park area of very pricy machinery - youd need to spend a lot of a car to go notably faster.

If you know of a std production car of any age which costs less that

BMW 123d M Sport Coupe - Road Test First Drive - Autocar.co.uk

according to autocar the only prob is is costs more than an A3... however 3k is a small price to pay for never having to drive an Audi FWD......

0-62 in 6.9 (great for a standing start in a diesel)

Bit of an understatement there.......

Yes I had driven one Amanda.

I drove a 123d M-sport and very nice it was too. I've started my saving fund

If you are thinking about it take one out and find out for yourself as it is a great fun car that can be used daily.

What's the difference between the 123 and the 118 diesels? I fancy a 118D SE or sport , would prefer the 3 door though.

Assuming 2008 MY the cars are:

- 118d is 147bhp, band B tax

- 120d is 177bhp, band C tax

- 123d is 204bhp, band ??? tax.

The 118 and 120 and 123 are all the same basic engine. The 118/120 have a few tweaks and a different turbo.

The 123d i believe has stronger internals and a twin turbo.

HTH

Bit of an understatement there.......

Trouble is she's used to a DSG - so it'll be more like a standing stop

could not live with a birmingham Motor Works badge round here - would get paint strippered or keyed beemer drivers not liked

I drove a 123d M-sport and very nice it was too. I've started my saving fund

Are not the more upmarket 1-Series variants a bit 'rumbly' on the motorway ?

I got that impression from some reports - partially from their use of run-flat (and no spare :thumbdwn:) tyres.

Bit of an understatement there.......

Not really. All standard Fabia's do that.

Yes I had driven one Amanda.

I drove a 123d M-sport and very nice it was too. I've started my saving fund

If you are thinking about it take one out and find out for yourself as it is a great fun car that can be used daily.

Assuming 2008 MY the cars are:

- 118d is 147bhp, band B tax

- 120d is 177bhp, band C tax

- 123d is 204bhp, band ??? tax.

The 118 and 120 and 123 are all the same basic engine. The 118/120 have a few tweaks and a different turbo.

The 123d i believe has stronger internals and a twin turbo.

HTH

- 123d is 204bhp, band ??? tax. <-- According to Parkers.. it's a band C, the same as a Fabia vRS

I quite like the 1 series and did look into the 130i but used ones are still out of my price range :(

Are not the more upmarket 1-Series variants a bit 'rumbly' on the motorway ?

I got that impression from some reports - partially from their use of run-flat (and no spare :thumbdwn:) tyres.

Nope, but then they are all on second generation run flats now.

Cool on the 123d being band C, they didn't have band info when i was in the dealer.

Not really. All standard Fabia's do that.

I was talking about 'normal' diesel cars.......

Nope, but then they are all on second generation run flats now.

Cool on the 123d being band C, they didn't have band info when i was in the dealer.

Yeah band C is pretty good for a car with that many horses

It is insurance grp 16 though... and how much more are run-flat tyres over normal ones?

The 118 and 120 and 123 are all the same basic engine. The 118/120 have a few tweaks and a different turbo.

The 123d i believe has stronger internals and a twin turbo.

HTH

aren't BMW having problems with their turbos ?