Brunters was quite a hot day and as Bill said a standard RS will probably perform better than a remapped RS.....I think I'm correct in saying that....as the tempearture goes up it is much harder to hold boost' date=' particular a remapped RS.

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FMIC anyone

Waterspray kit anyone?

Waterspray kit anyone?

I did ask.

water injection would probably help reduce intake temps as well but it would be easier to setup a spray bar for a fmic

thinking about it i'm sure someone on here was talking about one, he was asking for p/n: for the larger washer bottle from the octy's with headlight washers so he could use the extra capacity bottle to hold the water for the intercooler as well.

thinking about it i'm sure someone on here was talking about one, he was asking for p/n: for the larger washer bottle from the octy's with headlight washers so he could use the extra capacity bottle to hold the water for the intercooler as well.

What about the screenwash?

Steve

I tend not to get involved in debates over which tuner does what and who's dyno plot has the better power curve, however on the subject of hot and cold day's, I'm sorry, but yes Brunters was a nice pleasant day, but not overly warm, so if 5°C warmer affects some remaps that much, what were those cars doing last summer when we had record temperatures of 37°C? Unless it is really cold, e.g. below zero, I can't say I honestly can detect any driveable difference with my AMD remap as far as ambient temperature is concerned, and this is with a K04 turbo running through the stock SMIC.

Lee

its not ambient temps that matter but the inlet temp to the engine - at brunters we were all travelling fast enough for airflow to keep the engine cool - this is not the case on the rollers- no fans can generate the force of a 100+mph driving situation - this is where FMIC and waterspray really help - or in start stop traffic where heat soak can be a prob.....

how much you feel it depends on how agressivly mapped the car is... mine was set up in the cooler weeks before brunters and would not boost past 5.5k on the day - we knocked the settings back and got a bit more out of it - my next mods will be removing this prob once and for all;)

thinking about it i'm sure someone on here was talking about one, he was asking for p/n: for the larger washer bottle from the octy's with headlight washers so he could use the extra capacity bottle to hold the water for the intercooler as well.

Water spray kit is a good idea but how long would a 2 litre bottle of water last when it is being sprayed onto the intercooler ?

Just a question really as I know the principle but never seen one in the flesh.

Water spray kit is a good idea but how long would a 2 litre bottle of water last when it is being sprayed onto the intercooler ?

Just a question really as I know the principle but never seen one in the flesh.

4x4 / headlamp washers bottle is 5.5l

Just my opinions after trawling through the thread.......

1. I don't buy the "it's how the car feels on the road that counts and not the figures". ******, it's the numbers that count so you can impress your mates / colleauges / people in the pub that you have a 230bhp Skoda. C'mon admit it!! Seriously though I would agree that the figures aren't everything but let's be honest if I spend £450 or whatever having the car 'chipped' I want to see some pretty significant power / torque gains aswell.

2. An Octavia vRS that has been breathed on (by Jabba in my experience) is significantly quicker than a standard one. That's a fact as the Butt dyno will testify and as Geoff rightly states when I got my new RS I couldn't wait for the trip back to Crowland. That's not to say the std RS is crap, far from it I wouldn't have bought one in the first place now would I if it was crap. The difference after a re-map is...... well significant. The only way to know what I mean is by having a go in one.

3. Rolling Roads. What's all that about then? I accept that on a hot day the charge air temp will be higher and therefore less dense hence less measured power but from what I can gather some individual cars are seeing significant differences in the order of about a 20% plus reduction in measured power. Both mine were dynoed on hot days with similar atmos pressures and the current car was developing over 236bhp with the air temp in the booth measured at 48degC aswell. It sounds to me more like a calibration issue with the RR's and where I could accept a few % deviation here or there the figures do appear to be consistently low.... Nuff said.

4x4 / headlamp washers bottle is 5.5l

I knida guessed the washer bottle was bigger but I am on about a 2.0 litre bottle of water in a fine mist, how long would that last ?

Just found this which is helpful but gives not volumes of water used..

http://www.mrtrally.com.au/performance/tipintersprays.htm

There were only 3 including Ross'!!

Mine was

146.7bhp @ 3621

281.4 lb ft @ 2420

although with the Fabias I noticed that none of the air was aimed at the Intake.

What mods has your fab got then?

What mods has your fab got then?

Tuning box.

its not ambient temps that matter but the inlet temp to the engine - at brunters we were all travelling fast enough for airflow to keep the engine cool - this is not the case on the rollers- no fans can generate the force of a 100+mph driving situation

Agree, although I would say that I have never seen a rolling bay with as much awesome cooling power as the one at AMD - two enormous pipes (about 75cm diameter each, one on the intercooler, 1 on the rad/induction kit) pumping cold air at a phenominal rate into the front of the cars - I thought this would have made quite a significant difference :confused:

you just have to look at the number of replies to this thread over the last couple of days to see that it has caused a bit of a stir. not yet having the furby vrs (still on order- la de da) i cannot speak from personal experience but it does seem a little odd that all of these re-mapped cars are losing quite as much power as quoted by the amd rolling road . does this mean that the only time to get re-mapped is in the summer when ambient temperatures are higher to give a more impressive gain during the rest of the year with lower temperatures - i dont think so. so it must be summat else. personally i dont think that using the facilities of one major tuner with an obvious financial interest is the way to tell - you all need an independent local garage of sorts with a RR ( not as common as you might think) to sort this one out -need to have differently tuned cars on the same day to compare properly. i hope this discussion ends up with some proper independent figures otherwise it will go on ad infinitum with no-one knowing the actual answer !

you all need an independent local garage of sorts with a RR

Like G Force Motorsport in Aylesbury for example, best RR in the country so im told, calibrated to over 1000 bhp.

Well im none the wiser? All i have understood so far is remap's and shiny bits dont cut it.

From my very limited understanding,

1, they dont work if its hot?

2, On track you cant compare standard + remap because it 'might' be to hot {WHAT?}and it comes down to each drivers ability, never mind the fact that having spent 20 mins of each hour on track only Bill's Seat passed me?

Out of 2+ hours on track i would have thought someone in an RS would P*SS

past and show me what im missing{50 bhp is alot isnt it?}.As for ability i have NO illusions of my own so please dont think im trying to imply any different.

3 Someone mentioned that a Standard RS feels slow in comparison to a remapped one.

Under what conditions? In comparison to what?

I havent found one 'comparison in this whole thread :confused:

Im starting to feel dissapointed with the whole tuning bit, i dont seem to be able to find a real answer to my questions ie what route to go down?

Steve :(

Im starting to feel dissapointed with the whole tuning bit' date=' i dont seem to be able to find a real answer to my questions ie what route to go down?

Steve :([/quote']

Let me summarise it for you. There is no one single right way to go through. The end.

Steve,

You pay for a track day, and i'll come and show you how it's done.

Fair deal?

Steve - you should have tried having a go in another group besides beginners - much more fun!

Ahem ..........cue Steve !

Steve - you should have tried having a go in another group besides beginners - much more fun!

I was in your group Dave

Q so it must be the IHI way then, cos anything else is half a**ed.

Geoff i aint payin for **** cos i gotta save the pennys for a new turbo

But let me know if your planning a trackday

Steve

Someone mentioned that a Standard RS feels slow in comparison to a remapped one.

Under what conditions? In comparison to what?

I havent found one 'comparison in this whole thread :confused:

Steve,

C'mon tell your Uncle Jimmy the truth now - are you takin' the ****?? Let me try and spell it out for you. A re-mapped car like a Furby or Octy which has been proven on a dyno to develop in excess of 25% more power and sometimes vastly more torque in day to day and round a track is Q U I C K E R than a standard one. That's a fact.

Where a std RS octy will run out of 'puff' rather quickly for want of a better expression the mapped car keeps on going. I suggest you blag a go in one and if you don't tell the difference immediately then you must be dead without feeling in any part of your body whatsoever....

Someone mentioned that a Standard RS feels slow in comparison to a remapped one.

Under what conditions? In comparison to what?

I havent found one 'comparison in this whole thread :confused:

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Steve' date='

C'mon tell your Uncle Jimmy the truth now - are you takin' the ****?? Let me try and spell it out for you. A re-mapped car like a Furby or Octy which has been proven on a dyno to develop in excess of 25% more power and sometimes vastly more torque in day to day and round a track is Q U I C K E R than a standard one. That's a fact.

Where a std RS octy will run out of 'puff' rather quickly for want of a better expression the mapped car keeps on going. I suggest you blag a go in one and if you don't tell the difference immediately then you must be dead with feeling in any part of your body whatsoever....[/quote']

Ive been out in manny's and from the passenger seat it felt quick, but then im not a passenger very often in my own motor.No im not taking the p*ss just talking from my experiences and what ive read.And your WRONG about it being quicker on track.Or maybe i spent the whole day dodging the remapped cars Show me the 25% on the dyno...............

Steve