Im starting to feel dissapointed with the whole tuning bit, i dont seem to be able to find a real answer to my questions ie what route to go down?

Good start is "tuning" the driver. Sign up for some high-performance driving courses and you'll be amazed how much quicker every car you drive is

Chris

Steve,

Do a search for dyno plots and compare the referance (before) and after results.

Steve' date='

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Ahhh but Jimmy, that would mean "trusting" the print-outs.

I for one am still waiting for the un-believers to nail their colours to the mast and say what they really think

Steve' date='

Do a search for dyno plots and compare the referance (before) and after results.[/quote']

Jimmy thats my point,The AMD results are a little DOWN to say the least.

Some jabbad cars are around 200bhp and not the 228+ people think they have.And if IIRC JaneC 's standard one had 185 BHP so it cant be the rollers can it?

Steve

Jimmy thats my point' date='The AMD results are a little DOWN to say the least.

Some jabbad cars are around 200bhp and not the 228+ people think they have.And if IIRC JaneC 's standard one had 185 BHP so it cant be the rollers can it?

Steve[/quote']

Funny that, mine was 185 as standard too, so it can't be anyone elses rollers either, can it?

And if you want the plain truth, here it is...

Me in my car, against the likes of Jon or Paul in a standard RS.

I would fully expect to lose. They have MUCH more track experience and know the cars a lot better.

But...it's all about the figures isn't it? Driver skill is irrelevant.

Or is it?

And if you want the plain truth' date=' here it is...

Me in my car, against the likes of Jon or Paul in a standard RS.

I would fully expect to lose. They have MUCH more track experience and know the cars a lot better.

But...it's all about the figures isn't it? Driver skill is irrelevant.

Or is it? [/quote']

Geoff i cant tell if your takin the p*ss or what

But as always disscusions like this always end in mines better than yours .

Bruntingthorpe was my 2nd trackday. i was in group B and i drive with one hand .I want to improve my RS but if i can draw experience from this site and save myself money and disapointment then what's wrong with that.

Is it all about figure's NO, is it about what they drive like-maybe but when you keep ovetaking them on track you start to wonder

Maybe my one handed driving style is the key

Steve

Steve,

You may not realise it but there have been a good few positive comments about your driving, both at Brunters AND your previous track day.

As for saving money, i think spending ££££'s on a bigger turbo is the ultimate waste of cash, unless you plan to do lots of track days.

And no, i am not taking the ****, but there are members on this site who have chewed up & spat out cars with a huge power advantage on track.

It happens, doesnt mean the tuners are lying or fiddling

Err........ i dont know what to say to that.

I think im trying to hard to find something or someone to show me what's best and i dont think thats gonna happen,maybe i'll just keep reading and wait a while.

My quest for knowledge is a bstard i tell you.

Steve

Ahh, but therein lies the problem.

No-one else can show you what is best, you have to make an informed decision based on the info you have at hand.

My car was just 6 months & 5000 miles old when i had it re-mapped. I read the stuff on Briskoda and talked to a few members who had had their cars done. Then took the plunge & went for it.

I'm totally happy with it, and that's all that matters to me

Well, this is all getting quite confusing now. My car is standard and came out at 185, so as I said before I don't think there was a problem with the rollers.

However, various other factors such as heat seem to come into play and mine was 2nd or 3rd up so it could have got hotter as the morning went on. Like Steve I would like a definitive answer on the "best" upgrade but life is rarely as simple as that !

Don't think you can really make comparisons based on the trackday as a lot of it was down to driver skill/nerve IMHO (which I freely admit I have little of).

JM2PW

All Ive done to the 4x4 power wise is a Jabba map & its phenominally quicker than std, On the Cannonball I passed a lot of exotic machinery including a Ferrari 348 & a 360 & yet those who have seen me on the track will know Im no way the quickest driver so I am happy with the car & thats all that matters to me.

Steve & others who are not sure what mods to do, the best way to decide is to blag a drive (not ride) in a modded car & see how it feels. As others have said its not all about BHP, the Supra at Brunters was over 600 bhp but it was probably slower out of the corners than a lot of the Skodas, its certainly slower than mine having nearly had the rear bumper a couple of times on the Cannonball.

If anyone wants to try what just a Jabba map feels like & can get to Winchester PM me but be quick as a few more mods are being considered.

As for rolling roads there are variations in rollers & also operators, there is even one RR near us who specialise in Jap cars who have a bit of a reputation for not quite giving the car its all on the rollers, then selling you some mods & ragging it after its been modded. Southern members of Scoobynet had a day there earlier this year & wow did that thread make for interesting reading.

NOTE !! I am not suggesting nor do I believe that AMD would do this, they are not that type of organisation & dont need to tarnish there reputation for short term profiteering

As with all debates like this it will never reach a conclusion, its all the "my cars faster than youre car debate" that will rage until oil runs out or the world is taken over by ridiculously quick smokey old Diesels (JON !)

Stuart

Steve, your best option is to sell the RS and buy a Superb - then tuning will be irelevant

Why do I feel a long post coming up?

1. Comparisons - I have driven an RS which is standard, one which has a Superchip, a Jabbad one and another remapped one (can't remember what you had on Paul). I've driven them all at the Ring. They all had the same suspension setup, bar the standard one, although it and the Superchip one did have the same at one point. I've also driven a Jabba with FMIC and a Jabba with waterspray, again at the Ring. So, route is the same, driver is the same only variables are the tune and the climate, but I’ve done it in all conditions in all bar one of the cars. So, am I allowed to compare, cos I'm going to anyway.

Going from the standard one to the Superchip one was a revelation. It had more mid-range urge, so exiting corners and down the straights was where I noticed it most. Yes, it was a fair bit quicker. I did notice as others have said that heat became more of an issue, as running higher boost you are generating more heat. After 3 back to back laps (40 miles of absolutely leathering it, more than you would on any road) performance was starting to drop off. It became only marginally quicker than a standard one. Next up I went to Jabba, having seen / driven Manny’s. The power delivery was better than on mine and the figures were slightly better. I was able to say how I wanted the curves to be and I went for a relatively extreme map. It was way quicker than the standard one and was quicker than the Superchip one. Heat soak became worse, so I went FMIC. That evened it out and I could do the 3 back to back laps with no loss of performance I decided the FMIC was probably overkill so I went to an intelligent watersray kit. This was the best compromise, IMHO. Pretty much as quick as the Jabba with FMIC, and it held the inlet temp almost as well. So, based on my experience, if I were to be tuning an RS I would do the following: get one of 2 chips (APR with V-Tune or go to Jabba). Doesn’t matter which, I want it to be able to be mapped to how and where I drive, so I can get the power delivery to my preferences, fit a waterspray kit (mine took 2 hours to fit, was brilliant and a bargain at £150). I would probably fit the turbo inlet pipe and that would be the limit of my engine mods. I’d match that against pretty much any other Octy on the board. What I found gave big track gains was sorting the suspension and brakes. Having raced bikes (or was it done bike trackdays?) you know about carrying speed through the corners. This was very much in evidence seeing Paul’s against the Supras at Bruntingthorp.

2. Waterspray – yes I did the waterspray and I loved it! 2 litres would last you about 10 minutes on a track, depending on what temp you wanted to maintain and the ambient temp. I put in the 5l bottle from the Octy with headlamp washers and got about 30-40 minutes of tracktime from it, slightly less at the Ring. Fast road use in a hot summer, I got about 300 - 400 miles, so when I filled with fuel I topped up the water bottle. Do a search, there is a link to the site where I got mine from. I highly recommend it. As Real Skoda wrote:

Another option, which is far cheaper and is nearly as efficient is the water spray system for the standard sidemount IC. This is available from www.autospeed.com . in addition to their kit, you will also need a larger water bottle (£18 from your dealer) and a headlamp washer pump (£22 from your dealer) and some fuel injector piping (it is good and robust). Very good if you are on a budget or don’t want a FMIC.

Have a look at the site, tells you all about it. I recommend getting the nozzle they sell.

If you want any more info, just ask.

Jon

Obi Wan,

why didn't you post this at the beginning....would have saved 86 posts.

& where would be the fun in that Adrian? So much more fun to see how it develops Besides, no-one listens to a diesel driver :(

& where would be the fun in that Adrian? So much more fun to see how it develops Besides, no-one listens to a diesel driver :(

Aye.

Noticed you changed you sig...to reflect this thread per chance?

Nope, to reflect boredom

Suffering from deja-vu at the moment, last night I just happened to be reading this thread and what do you know, this RR day thread was at the top this morning. Spooky! :eek:

Thanks Jon, i didnt realise engine power could be affected so much by heat

with the bikes this was never an issue.

At the risk of lookin a bit Max Power would an Evo style bonnet vents help enough to warrant it?

Steve

Thanks Jon' date=' i didnt realise engine power could be affected so much by heat

with the bikes this was never an issue.

At the risk of lookin a bit Max Power would an Evo style bonnet vents help enough to warrant it?

Steve[/quote']

IIRC Jon looked into getting a WRC bonnet with all the cut outs.

It would help.

IIRC Jon looked into getting a WRC bonnet with all the cut outs.

It would help.

One like this maybe?

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/08/octavia_riechert_03.jpg

Andy

So, I'll be the first to ask..................

Adrian,

Can you sort out a GB on water mister kits?

Andy

I've just had a quick read through the info on the water spray on www.autospeed.com - very interesting article & for the price seems like something I may consider trying.

TaviaRS, it was good to read a point of view of someone that has tried a variety of chips/ecu remaps as I am trying to make up my mind what to go for at the moment to, & now I am now quite interested in combining a remapp with a water spray kit to try & cut down on the extra heat from a remap, was fitting the spray kit relitavly easy?

Cheers

So with the water spray kit, you replace the existing washer bottle with a larger one (5.5l) and then use the fluid in that (water mixed with screen wash) to spray the intercooler? Hmmm wonder if it could be adapted/be worth adapting to a TDi with a teeny intercooler? Does the screen wash corrode or damage the intercooler?

Chris

Hmmm wonder if it could be adapted/be worth adapting to a TDi with a teeny intercooler? Does the screen wash corrode or damage the intercooler?

Chris

Been thinking the same myself.

I suppose the easy way to demonstrate what engines do what (as opposed to which driver has the best exit speed through corners as with Brunters because of th shortness of the straights) is to get cars down to a Santa Pod type situation and get some times on the board.

(SMALL PRINT - The author accepts no responsibility for knackered clutches/gearboxes of CV joints)

Lee