just had new clutch, pedal is rubbish.

[hutchysrs50]

Ahh I don't like where this is going!

I'm taking it out for another slow run this morning to see if it will bed in at all.

The gearbox was all nice and dry yesterday after being out for a drive but will check again today.

[sepulchrave]

Ahh I don't like where this is going!

I'm taking it out for another slow run this morning to see if it will bed in at all.

The gearbox was all nice and dry yesterday after being out for a drive but will check again today.

 

I have never experienced this 'bed in' phenomenon that gets bandied around so much, given that every component has been replaced I find it inconceivable that you're having these problems. Every brand new quality clutch I've used feels sharp, bites early and absolutely does not slip.

Something is not right, I suspect an apprentice did the job with minimal supervision. Either the new parts were not properly cleaned prior to installation or there is contamination of the friction material from a leak.

Take it back and explain calmly and firmly that the work is of an unacceptable standard, leave the car, give them 7 days to rectify the fault and don't get drawn into any discussions or speculation and don't fall for any crap about free issue materials not being covered.

 

Edit: Oh, and stop driving the bloody thing around hoping the problem goes away or the garage will complain how many miles you've clocked up over the weekend.

Edited 1 May, 2016 by sepulchrave

[mattievrs]

As already stated by others, it shouldn't need bedding in or needed bleeding again. I trust you have suitable photos and receipts for the parts plus the same for the damaged items? I'd be going back, showing them the evidence of their negligence and giving them 1 chance to put it all right at their expense. Threaten them with trading standards and give them 1 chance to correct it, whilst going to trading standards to work out a way forward should they refuse.

[FromTheDarkness]

As already stated by others, it shouldn't need bedding in or needed bleeding again. I trust you have suitable photos and receipts for the parts plus the same for the damaged items? I'd be going back, showing them the evidence of their negligence and giving them 1 chance to put it all right at their expense. Threaten them with trading standards and give them 1 chance to correct it, whilst going to trading standards to work out a way forward should they refuse.

Problem with this is expense and time, trading standards will tell him to, after exhausting the possibility of a free fix via the original mechanic or refusal to go to a independant VW or skoda and get a detailed diagnostic, which given most other issues wouldnt break the bank but this would require the cost of dropping the gearbox so its kinda not cost effective as you may as well then get them to fit the clutch, so im not sure how to best tackle this :(

 

In my experience:

 - garage cocked up

 - cocked up the repair even more

-  i went to trading standards

- They said i needed a detailed diagnostics with quote for repair

- Went to a vw independant

- Write a letter to original garage containing the quote, and give 14 days for them to reply, stating if not you wil proceed to legal proceeding

- The original garage paid up, but if not you will needed to proceed to small claims court via the help of trading standards.

 

Either way, if you cant resolve the issue be prepared for a big wait, and a head ache. Try your best to resolve this with the original garage, as a Porsche indi, im sure they are competent. But mistakes happen, give them the opportunity to rectify it.

[hutchysrs50]

After about 100 mile it seems 99% fine now.

Clutch holds well in all the gears apart from full throttle in 6th, when it hits 2,000 rpm it will flutter to 2,200 slightly and hold fine, so it's definitely improving.

I'm thinking if he hasn't cleaned off the grease / oil from the flywheel it's going to need time to burn off or clean itself up.

I'll be going back on Tuesday when they open up again regardless. They seen the brand new lights fitted Wednesday when I called in so know they are new.

All in all, I don't care about the damaged parts or lights, I just wanted the job doing to a reasonable standard and drive away happy...

[sepulchrave]

After about 100 mile it seems 99% fine now.

Clutch holds well in all the gears apart from full throttle in 6th, when it hits 2,000 rpm it will flutter to 2,200 slightly and hold fine, so it's definitely improving.

I'm thinking if he hasn't cleaned off the grease / oil from the flywheel it's going to need time to burn off or clean itself up.

I'll be going back on Tuesday when they open up again regardless. They seen the brand new lights fitted Wednesday when I called in so know they are new.

All in all, I don't care about the damaged parts or lights, I just wanted the job doing to a reasonable standard and drive away happy...

 

Lights? What lights? You haven't mentioned lights before and what damaged parts?

[hutchysrs50]

Fitted some brand new genuine xenon headlights, I showed the garage on Wednesday Blaa blaa blaa

The passenger side is now heavily scratched where they have been working.

[MidWalesVRS]

Surely you shouldn't expect this of a Porcshe & Bentley specialist? If this is how they respect your car, I wouldn't want my respective Porcshe/Bentley with them!

Regardless of what they've done wrong - they shouldn't be returning your car with damage, scratches etc!

[mattievrs]

Problem with this is expense and time, trading standards will tell him to, after exhausting the possibility of a free fix via the original mechanic or refusal to go to a independant VW or skoda and get a detailed diagnostic, which given most other issues wouldnt break the bank but this would require the cost of dropping the gearbox so its kinda not cost effective as you may as well then get them to fit the clutch, so im not sure how to best tackle this :(

 

In my experience:

 - garage cocked up

 - cocked up the repair even more

-  i went to trading standards

- They said i needed a detailed diagnostics with quote for repair

- Went to a vw independant

- Write a letter to original garage containing the quote, and give 14 days for them to reply, stating if not you wil proceed to legal proceeding

- The original garage paid up, but if not you will needed to proceed to small claims court via the help of trading standards.

 

Either way, if you cant resolve the issue be prepared for a big wait, and a head ache. Try your best to resolve this with the original garage, as a Porsche indi, im sure they are competent. But mistakes happen, give them the opportunity to rectify it.

Yeah I agree with the time and expense bit, but if you spend your hard earned on a pi55 poor job then you'd be an idiot to not want to go after the cash and get it done properly.

[mattievrs]

All in all, I don't care about the damaged parts or lights, I just wanted the job doing to a reasonable standard and drive away happy...

A bit of a shame you don't really care about the parts etc. Bit of an idiotic way to be really...... Spend loads of cash on lovely things and treat them like they're worth nothing...... No offence meant by the way, just an observation.

[hutchysrs50]

A bit of a shame you don't really care about the parts etc. Bit of an idiotic way to be really...... Spend loads of cash on lovely things and treat them like they're worth nothing...... No offence meant by the way, just an observation.

No, I don't care about some headlights I need to polish when I'm £600 down on a worse off car.

[sepulchrave]

A bit of a shame you don't really care about the parts etc. Bit of an idiotic way to be really...... Spend loads of cash on lovely things and treat them like they're worth nothing...... No offence meant by the way, just an observation.

 

Translation:

 

"You're an idiot, no offense."

 

C'mon Hutchy, that's fighting talk that is, you're from the Northeast, get yer shirt off son! 

[hutchysrs50]

Now now! He's entitled to his opinion, he's just wrong if he thinks I don't care about the car, I'm simply putting it into perspective about some scratches I can easily sort to a quite major problem that's cost hundreds

[JamieFabia6Y]

I know hutchy well enough to tell you he cares ALOT about his car and the parts on it!

Sometimes there are more important things to address...

[mattievrs]

Right, OK......

Hutchy, I meant no offence but it read as though you didn't care about some busted bits that you paid for in brand new condition. Even if they polish up, I'd still be massively pis5ed if my car was actually worse than when it went in and having paid money for the pleasure.

Sepulchrave, wind your neck back in you southern fairy.

Jamie, I get you but paying money for a job and having damaged parts? Not as important? Might aswell take all your money out the bank and burn it.

Edited 1 May, 2016 by mattievrs

[hutchysrs50]

Don't worry, none taken from me mate

IBTL :P

[mattievrs]

That's the problem with forums, people maybe misread posts and add a tone of their own to the replies.

Either way, I really do hope you get it sorted but I'd be kicking off to get everything I could out of them, it's simple negligence on their part imho.

Good luck.

[bigjohn]

I have never experienced this 'bed in' phenomenon that gets bandied around so much,

 

On most cars I agree, but the VRS versions have so much get up and go they can challenge standard clutches and it doesn't take much chipping to cause problems

 

Which prompts me - one thing we haven't asked - is the engine chipped at all?

 

When standard clutches are "borderline" then bedding in does count. It takes a little while to maximise friction on both surfaces (flywheel and clutch plate) .

 

The clutch on my uber poverty Octavia 1.4 16v is OK but getting towards the end of it's life at 120k. It's a "spare car" being held ready for my son (Uni industrial experience soon ) and isn't driven much (was today!!). If I've left it undriven for a few weeks  I can provoke a bit of clutch slip in 5th gear when first driven but not after a few 100's of miles 

[TMB]

They probably got oil on the flywheel/clutch and didn't bother to clean it off (idiots). However it'll probably sort itself out with a few miles under its belt.

[hutchysrs50]

Well like brakes, the flywheels come with a coat of grease to stop them rusting on the shelf.

I think this wasn't cleaned off properly before fitting, only reason I can think of anyway.

After around 150 mile since fitting it seems all good now, on my way home last night I put it in 5th / 6th from a low speed, full throttle and it held up fine so it is bedding in OK.

The biting point isn't high, but I wouldn't say it's as low as my other Fabia that had a new clutch and flywheel around 15,000 miles ago, the bite is really low down on that.

As for power, it is remapped but nothing fancy, I'd say a mild 160bhp map maybe?

[kellaway86]

Dont BLT engine's run around 150 from the factory anyway?

[JamieFabia6Y]

Right, OK......

Hutchy, I meant no offence but it read as though you didn't care about some busted bits that you paid for in brand new condition. Even if they polish up, I'd still be massively pis5ed if my car was actually worse than when it went in and having paid money for the pleasure.

Sepulchrave, wind your neck back in you southern fairy.

Jamie, I get you but paying money for a job and having damaged parts? Not as important? Might aswell take all your money out the bank and burn it.

Of course it's a major p**s take damaging anything on the car and yes it is important, I would march straight back to them and have them sort it out! But obviously hutchy wants to have a driveable car in the mean time...

[hutchysrs50]

Dont BLT engine's run around 150 from the factory anyway?

I think so yeah.

I've checked the part numbers on the clutch and it's suitable for an Ibiza cupra PD160 and also came up for an audi TT 225.

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And as I have said, the car is going back on Tuesday when they open again.