Monkhai

What you complaining about, the house price increase from crossrail will more than offset your increased fuel bills 😛

😛 I did say local cars, but to be honest even if it was piped out to local homes/businesses as part of the gas mix (up to 20% works fine in current gas boilers) then it is good. I really do want to see some data for what 10000 rotations at given speed at a wind turbine generates in terms of hydrogen produced right there vs electricity available once it's passed through the grid. I'm just not so sure it's as big a difference as people say. More so when you consider the weight pulled around by cars that are not using it (100kWh batteries to get 400 miles for example). I'm all for that Well the pre-mememeiwanttobePM tory party competition, it had been floated that those near to energy generation should benifit from lower rates. The SW has wind, nuclear (well did and will again soon-ish) and yet also has some of the highest prices. I notice London has few power stations, wind turbines etc and there is far more demand than can be easily supplied. I suggest to double the prices of electric and gas in London and benefit those in the regions.

You need a mix, but I really can not understand why there are not tax incentives such that a petrol station pays X % business rates tax, but if said petrol station sells hydrogen (and the pump is working) then they pay X-Y% tax. Watch the petrol stations fall over themselves to reduce their business taxes by getting a single pump installed. In London they are getting all the EV chargers, but they have the tube, buses and all sorts of public transport. They just got crossrail 1 and are getting 2, which apparantly benifit the whole country, clearly unlike running HS2 from Manchester and Leeds to Brum first and linking Manchester to Leeds via other major towns on a decent service. Perhaps it's time some of the political types looked to the regions and got their heads out of London London London.

Except when there is too much wind it will affect grid stability, so they are forced to brake the turbines or disconnect from the grid. In those situations making hydrogen is ok, but charging from elsewhere is not. And that's fine, but since they've just got another $3k more expensive in the US, I can't imagine most people can afford one. It's why we are kicking our solar installer and desperate to get the system installed after all the delays.

Bingo... I've zero problem with hydrogen being used as the primary source when it's generated by excess renewable power. Wind has to be turned off if there is too much, so chucking it into making hydrogen to power local cars is good. HFC cars would have a battery and a charging port for sure. Question comes how big is the battery. 10kWh = plug in is unlikely to be the main power. 30-50kW yes it's a true BEV with a HFC range extender. 30-50kW will do 90-150 miles. I took the diesel on a long trip and stopped at the rapid chargers and services I'd need (including a few backup options at each point) when I get an EV. Not one had an available charger. One was hogged by a twit in an Etron at 92% trying to get to 100%. The ionity was full and had a queue three cars deep, others had broken chargers. On the way back there was an available charger at a services about half way, but most places were fairly full, albeit without a queue. That 30 minute stop with the queue would have been a minimum an hour and people are just not going to accept that with the chance of getting stranded. Add to that slow chargers/broken chargers. It's a complete lack of infrastructure combined with a long time to refil that's the problem. I'd far rather see a 100% HFC than people stay with ICE.

This is kind of why you need fuel cells or similar. People are obsessed as a fill up is potentially long and potentially you end up queuing for a while too. Then you have the do they work, is there infrastructure, that 300+ mile range is really only 175-200 in winter on the motorway. Due to that range is super important as people are nervous and don't want to get stranded. Fuel cells work great, but supply is terrible. If they got even 25-50% of petrol stations to have a hydrogen pump, then that's a fantastic supply network. If that happens you sell an EV with a 30-50kW battery and you have the option of a fuel cell range extender. Suddenly it's cheap to buy, perfect for town and if you want the safety of long range then you tick a £2000-3000 option box, which is way cheaper than a huge battery. One design, one battery so cheaper to build. Sure hydrogen might start blue, but with the cost of oil it will move to green pretty quick, especially with the correct taxation of blue vs green. Baby steps in the right direction is better than no action. People are not obsessed as such, they're worried. I admit I've been wanting a hydrogen Fuel Cell car for years, but then it's due to the fact I don't want to tow half a tonne of batteries when I don't need them. In fact if they can design a car where the range extender can be added/removed as needed as a module, I can think of a very profitable holiday business Public transport barely exists here and so that's why range matters. Visiting the family would require a top up somewhere even in a 300 mile (WLTP) range car.

I agree it would be a PITA, but if you can cut £1000 off a car it will help with those who just want a second car for around town. A more sensible model naming strategy like City 22AC and Tour or Long Range 50CCS model might help. Of course if you split into a city car, then you really might as well shring the battery to 150 miles range and save weight and more cost....

Car type would be useful so it can migrate the correct place. Fans running on a TDI sounds like a DPF regen. Just because the car has not run, doesn't mean it's not decided it's time for a regen. That being said, some engines had issues with the coolant pump and I can't remember if the alternator is on the same belt. If it is I'd stop driving it and get it recovered to a garage. As said above, low voltages cause electronics to do weird things and I've had some errors that were crazy and unrelated, but a new battery and they never appeared again

Or trying to generate a sale of new tyres... Depending on the conditions I would say: Summer = 2-3mm (Assuming you only use them in summer) All season = 4mm (But if you're going into summer, I'd probably run them through the summer and replace for winter) Winters = 4mm (unless they state they retain winter performance below 4mm, then down to the stated depth) If the tyres are 4 years old I keep an extra eye out for hardening/damage and if they're 5 years old they are changed regardless. I do not understand why cars in the UK are supplied with summer tyres, it's madness and shouldn't be permitted on a new car unless the customer has ticked the summer/winter option box. Cracks happen, usually when tyres get lower miles so last over 4 years. I've had them on a few sets of a particular Nokian tyre, but all the other tyres from Nokian were just fine and didn't crack. Had them on other brands too and it appears to just be a thing at a certain age on some designs. FWIW I have cross climates on the summer wheels as they were cheaper than summers and I wanted to see if I needed summer/winters or just all seasons. The CC are pretty good, not a patch on a full set of winters IMHO, however plenty good enough to get you home if you got caught out and enough that if you drive carefully you'll be just fine. Full winters were a case of go out and drive just fine and you could even go past a gritter on the motorway in snow as you were getting covered in grit. That's not something I'd do on all seasons. Full winters are probably excessive for most people who drive locally in most parts of the UK mind.

For the 22kW and 11kW, it's not a real rapid charger, but it is a realistic destination charger where cars are charged to re-charge and where the typical stopping time is in the 1-4 hour window. For shopping centres a 7kW is a bit of a joke for a full BEV, but better than nothing and ideal for hybrids. I do think that rapid charging plugs should only appear on cars that need it (Full BEV) and that everything else shouldn't be on the 50kW rapids. Like the front airbag sticker, it could be put on the passenger visor. More realistically a connector type and max rate could show up in the large screens each car has when you first turn it on (CCS 100max or Chademo 100max or Type 2 11kW max). If you did it right you could set it to briefly show it when you navigate to chargers or when the battery hits below say 25% (or some custom setting).

Already been raised by the OP in this thread: I'll lock this thread and ask we keep the discussion in one place rather than multiple threads.

It's probably worth noting that as Euro 7 requirements come in, they will increase the cost of ICE cars. As shortages reduce the cost of EV will come down a bit (But not much due to metal demands). Hopefully EV depreciation will show as lower and the cars will be cheaper per month than current estimates. Hydrogen EV will hopefully reduce the need for mega sized batteries for long range cars, increasing the efficiency of EV by reducing the weight. Cars like the ioniq 6 are improving range by being more aero, which again improved efficiency. I don't think it's too far from a point where the lease differences between EV and ICE cars will probably come down to under £100 a month and at that point the £3600 cost is swallowed by fuel savings. Plus that's comparing a like for like in car, if you want like to like in performance, then the EV is probably cheaper to lease and the fuel costs for the performance ICE will be much higher when you use the performance.

I worked out the following on a thread somewhere: Lease: Petrol vs EV = £200-300 more per month on EV (Let's take £200) Fuel: Petrol £1.80 and Electric at £0.20p (A mix of 1/3rd Rapid and mostly very cheap home charging) MPG: Petrol = 45MPG = 10MPL and Electric = 3.5M/kWh. So 12000miles a year: Petrol = £2160 in fuel per year. EV = £685 in electric per year. So 3 years fuel = £6480 and Electric = £2057. If you can charge at home and bring your average electric cost down to 20p or less per kWh, you're onto a big win on fuel alone. Tax = £165 and £0 So £6480+(£165*3) = £6975 - £2057 = £4918 difference over 3 years of fuel/tax. Now add in the assumed £200 per month for 36 months and you have a cost of (36*200) £7200 extra for the EV lease. You save £4918 on fuel, but lose £7200 on lease costs. Net benefit on an EV = - £2282 over 3 year, 12k mile lease. If you don't already have an EV, then you need to buy a charger etc, so it's a higher investment. Essentially, unless you get your EV fuel cost down to almost zero, then a petrol car on a lease is cheaper at £1.80/L and 45MPG. However it's not that simple as you have: Fuel pricing changes (both fuels) Fuel availability issues Time saved/lost Saving the planet (or not) Miles around town vs motorway, as these change the equations. How much time you spend on public chargers If you have solar, that is essentially providing free electric If servicing is really cheaper on an EV (Doesn't look it currently) Do you already own a petrol car outright Do you already own an EV outright Availability of cars Are you going into cities where ICE cars are charged an entry fee or even banned? I think right now if you're a two car house, your best bet is one of each (ICE and EV), as you cover fluctuations and avilability.

That assumes you're on the cheapest tarrif, it covers your miles and that you can get access to a cheap tarrif. 7.5p/kW pushes other costs up, such as the daily charge, so I'd probably be better off on the fixed. If you can afford to get a good sized solar array and charge the car primarily from solar that would have been exported, you are onto a winner though. I see BMW are spending quite a bit of effort looking into hydrogen, which would fit in well with batteries for short-medium range and fuel cell for longer range. Same base car, same base electronics, but one has a say 50kWh HV battery, the other has a 10kWh battery, a hydrogen tank and a fuel cell.

The base spec model doesn’t and just has high power AC, but the higher spec one has 50kW CCS. I was very thrown when I saw one on an ionity charger. They had 22kW/43kW AC and people like Lol-lol were happy with it. It’s absolutely fine for a city car, which the Zoe mostly is.

Petrol is now £1.70/l here or about 17p per mile at 45mpg. Electric at 60p per kWh from a public charger means 3.5 m/kWh works out at just over 17.1p Home rates are high too, although cheaper and the cost of buying an EV is much higher. Have high electric and falling fuel prices created a perfect storm for EV?

How much! Much as I like Skoda, I think second hand prices are so high, you'd be better waiting with the Aygo and finding something you like in 12-24 months. Of course that assumes you can and that the price matters, but even so.

The granny isn’t even available as an accessory and the build date memo sounded like it was a factory choice.

@wyx087Just looked at the model Y and it’s about the same price as an EV6 on PCP. That’s probably 50-60% more than the lease prices for the EV6 back when I ordered, but if I was ordering today there’s no way it’d be an EV6 over a Y for such similar pricing and shorter delivery times.

I was physically say with them when they were reading the bulleten. TBH the granny charger is totally required these days as you can't get a type 2 charger installer with a slot any time soon. The bulletent just stated it's being phased out. RE: the third party granny chargers, I'm not keen on those that are 13A rather than 10A. Sure it's nice to get the extra miles, but baring in mind it's going into many a different socket, with varying ages etc, I'd rather stay below 10A knowing I can use it without a risk of overheating an older socket.

What the current lead on the Y? an AWD ev6 with heat pump was about £1500 more than the price you gave, so things must have increased a lot or a dealer is taking the …

Indeed, car manufacturers are somewhat taking the proverbial now. @wyx087 that dealer sounds like one I’d want to avoid too. FWIW there was supposed to be an Update to adjust the odd iPedel mode with ACC. It’s not entirely unexpected if you think about it as zero accelerator = max retardation in iPedel mode. For me the price of the Y and the touchscreen dependency of the Tesla put me off. Supercharger network is a boon, but they’re still busy.

32A 3 phase type 2 5m and 10m granny type 2 are at screwfix and cheaper than elsewhere. A £425 bill is better than a £600 bill but still ridiculous for a car that came with them when a deposit was paid.

I was told by the dealer that as of 1st July build dates they’re phasing out included cables, the granny charger due to shortages. With delays on delivery that’s catching a lot of older orders. It’s far from just Kia though.

It’s the granny charger too, so a £300 essential to get you a charge in difficult situations. Now missing £500 of cables!