Monkhai

Already been raised by the OP in this thread: I'll lock this thread and ask we keep the discussion in one place rather than multiple threads.

It's probably worth noting that as Euro 7 requirements come in, they will increase the cost of ICE cars. As shortages reduce the cost of EV will come down a bit (But not much due to metal demands). Hopefully EV depreciation will show as lower and the cars will be cheaper per month than current estimates. Hydrogen EV will hopefully reduce the need for mega sized batteries for long range cars, increasing the efficiency of EV by reducing the weight. Cars like the ioniq 6 are improving range by being more aero, which again improved efficiency. I don't think it's too far from a point where the lease differences between EV and ICE cars will probably come down to under £100 a month and at that point the £3600 cost is swallowed by fuel savings. Plus that's comparing a like for like in car, if you want like to like in performance, then the EV is probably cheaper to lease and the fuel costs for the performance ICE will be much higher when you use the performance.

I worked out the following on a thread somewhere: Lease: Petrol vs EV = £200-300 more per month on EV (Let's take £200) Fuel: Petrol £1.80 and Electric at £0.20p (A mix of 1/3rd Rapid and mostly very cheap home charging) MPG: Petrol = 45MPG = 10MPL and Electric = 3.5M/kWh. So 12000miles a year: Petrol = £2160 in fuel per year. EV = £685 in electric per year. So 3 years fuel = £6480 and Electric = £2057. If you can charge at home and bring your average electric cost down to 20p or less per kWh, you're onto a big win on fuel alone. Tax = £165 and £0 So £6480+(£165*3) = £6975 - £2057 = £4918 difference over 3 years of fuel/tax. Now add in the assumed £200 per month for 36 months and you have a cost of (36*200) £7200 extra for the EV lease. You save £4918 on fuel, but lose £7200 on lease costs. Net benefit on an EV = - £2282 over 3 year, 12k mile lease. If you don't already have an EV, then you need to buy a charger etc, so it's a higher investment. Essentially, unless you get your EV fuel cost down to almost zero, then a petrol car on a lease is cheaper at £1.80/L and 45MPG. However it's not that simple as you have: Fuel pricing changes (both fuels) Fuel availability issues Time saved/lost Saving the planet (or not) Miles around town vs motorway, as these change the equations. How much time you spend on public chargers If you have solar, that is essentially providing free electric If servicing is really cheaper on an EV (Doesn't look it currently) Do you already own a petrol car outright Do you already own an EV outright Availability of cars Are you going into cities where ICE cars are charged an entry fee or even banned? I think right now if you're a two car house, your best bet is one of each (ICE and EV), as you cover fluctuations and avilability.

That assumes you're on the cheapest tarrif, it covers your miles and that you can get access to a cheap tarrif. 7.5p/kW pushes other costs up, such as the daily charge, so I'd probably be better off on the fixed. If you can afford to get a good sized solar array and charge the car primarily from solar that would have been exported, you are onto a winner though. I see BMW are spending quite a bit of effort looking into hydrogen, which would fit in well with batteries for short-medium range and fuel cell for longer range. Same base car, same base electronics, but one has a say 50kWh HV battery, the other has a 10kWh battery, a hydrogen tank and a fuel cell.

The base spec model doesn’t and just has high power AC, but the higher spec one has 50kW CCS. I was very thrown when I saw one on an ionity charger. They had 22kW/43kW AC and people like Lol-lol were happy with it. It’s absolutely fine for a city car, which the Zoe mostly is.

Petrol is now £1.70/l here or about 17p per mile at 45mpg. Electric at 60p per kWh from a public charger means 3.5 m/kWh works out at just over 17.1p Home rates are high too, although cheaper and the cost of buying an EV is much higher. Have high electric and falling fuel prices created a perfect storm for EV?

How much! Much as I like Skoda, I think second hand prices are so high, you'd be better waiting with the Aygo and finding something you like in 12-24 months. Of course that assumes you can and that the price matters, but even so.

The granny isn’t even available as an accessory and the build date memo sounded like it was a factory choice.

@wyx087Just looked at the model Y and it’s about the same price as an EV6 on PCP. That’s probably 50-60% more than the lease prices for the EV6 back when I ordered, but if I was ordering today there’s no way it’d be an EV6 over a Y for such similar pricing and shorter delivery times.

I was physically say with them when they were reading the bulleten. TBH the granny charger is totally required these days as you can't get a type 2 charger installer with a slot any time soon. The bulletent just stated it's being phased out. RE: the third party granny chargers, I'm not keen on those that are 13A rather than 10A. Sure it's nice to get the extra miles, but baring in mind it's going into many a different socket, with varying ages etc, I'd rather stay below 10A knowing I can use it without a risk of overheating an older socket.

What the current lead on the Y? an AWD ev6 with heat pump was about £1500 more than the price you gave, so things must have increased a lot or a dealer is taking the …

Indeed, car manufacturers are somewhat taking the proverbial now. @wyx087 that dealer sounds like one I’d want to avoid too. FWIW there was supposed to be an Update to adjust the odd iPedel mode with ACC. It’s not entirely unexpected if you think about it as zero accelerator = max retardation in iPedel mode. For me the price of the Y and the touchscreen dependency of the Tesla put me off. Supercharger network is a boon, but they’re still busy.

32A 3 phase type 2 5m and 10m granny type 2 are at screwfix and cheaper than elsewhere. A £425 bill is better than a £600 bill but still ridiculous for a car that came with them when a deposit was paid.

I was told by the dealer that as of 1st July build dates they’re phasing out included cables, the granny charger due to shortages. With delays on delivery that’s catching a lot of older orders. It’s far from just Kia though.

It’s the granny charger too, so a £300 essential to get you a charge in difficult situations. Now missing £500 of cables!

Another delay and now it might not come with charging cables or a granny charger any more. FFS! Seriously tempting to tell them to stick it or just buy it cash, then immediately sell it for a couple of k over RRP.

Which is exactly where I am. It was a stated feature, but now it’s on MY23 and an update it coming. That’s why I’m on the fence.

Not me, but perhaps @john999boy or @DeanVRS20VT Edit: Actually I may be able to, as I've followed the forgotten my password prompt. If you know which e-mail address would be associated with your previous account, then there is likely a I've forgotten my password link in there.

The more dense they get the more risk, however if you keep them in a suitable case in a room that doesn't get too hot/cold and without lots of UV light, then they're just fine. At the end of the day, if you can reach a NAS or any other read/write medium from the main computer, then it can be hacked/corrupted too. It's a shame apple time machine type features are not a standard feature available in all OS also. Each item in a backup/archive strategy is just one layer, but the different layers protect against different risks.

Write once optical disks are almost essential as a backup, because they can't be altered once you've backed it up. Off site is an important, but hard to achieve component for most home IT users.

Our dealer is a mile from us and they are trying. They are speaking to product specialists, who are speaking to higher up, who are getting answers from Korea (so they say). A german colleague who has one, has been told by their dealer after a complaint that there is definately an update for the MY22 cars. Currently with such long wait times for everything, I'm on the fence, however if I take it and that update didn't come then they will only get to screw me and anyone I talk to once.

And both claim to be speaking to Kia Korea. One thing I will say, if such a key feature was denied even though all the hardware is there in favour of keeping it for the new MY then it shows how backwards a company model is. At which point they’ll get killed by the market a few years down the line.

Who said anything about the product? It still means if looking right now to place a new order there is limited point .

Diesel in oil = DPF regen issues Not always the cause but was a sign of issues in older/different brands.

I’ve seen £4000/year mentioned for the cap from January.