Sound very reasonable. I hope they do work. If not you just need to find out the correct resister to fit.

Sorry that my first post is a thread resurrection! I have just bought a 140 Elegance and find the DLR's a bit yellow-not keen on the "poached egg" look. So I've ordered a pair of LED's, about £35 from these people, http://www.superlumination.com/

I will let you know if the work OK or if they throw a fault light.

Are you sure you've ordered correctly, as I can't find a P21 equivalent there?

For some strange (call it 'senior') reason, I have only just picked up on this interesting thread, and on DRLs, in a serious way, actually (cries of shame etc).

Sooo - I just went out to see if mine were on as I didn't know for sure ( more cries of shame!, boo!, cobblers!, etc) and they were not. That's strange, as my dash lights are on always (even when lights on '0' setting) and I thought that meant the DRLs had to be on. I am sure they were until recently. Anyway, I switched 'em on with the maxidot, and they are fine. The 'holding the indicator stalk in and up within 3 secs of switching ignition on' technique, which my manual implies should work also, did not, in fact. Many aspects of the manual, and how it lives in a paralell universe, not this one, continue to surprise...

Aha - since writing above, I have shouted downstairs and it seems the DRLs HAD been on, but were turned off for mysterious reasons which I shall now investigate....if you hear a lot of violent scuffling followed by the noise of beating, don't be too concerned.

JCP,

Which ones have you ordered in particular?

For some strange (call it 'senior') reason, I have only just picked up on this interesting thread, and on DRLs, in a serious way, actually (cries of shame etc).

Sooo - I just went out to see if mine were on as I didn't know for sure ( more cries of shame!, boo!, cobblers!, etc) and they were not. That's strange, as my dash lights are on always (even when lights on '0' setting) and I thought that meant the DRLs had to be on. I am sure they were until recently. Anyway, I switched 'em on with the maxidot, and they are fine. The 'holding the indicator stalk in and up within 3 secs of switching ignition on' technique, which my manual implies should work also, did not, in fact. Many aspects of the manual, and how it lives in a paralell universe, not this one, continue to surprise...

Aha - since writing above, I have shouted downstairs and it seems the DRLs HAD been on, but were turned off for mysterious reasons which I shall now investigate....if you hear a lot of violent scuffling followed by the noise of beating, don't be too concerned.

Using your key? (which key - Maxidot functions are key specific remember?)?????

I think Yeti may be P13 bulbs so can be ordered from here

DRLS

nokiauk - see post #97 above!

That works out at nearly £36 for 2 bulbs!!!!!!!

Think I'd leave them yellowish!

Edited 24 March, 201115 yr by Llanigraham

Quote from Wikipedia:- As a result of European Union Directive 2008/89/EC coming into force on the 7 of February 2011 all new passenger cars and small delivery vans through out the EU will have to come equipped with Daytime Running Lights. This will also be the case for Trucks and busses in August 2012.

Using your key? (which key - Maxidot functions are key specific remember?)?????

Aha - thanks Great Yeti - i had sort of forgot that, as I drive it 99.9% of time. So there tends to be only one key in use - the spare being kept as, well, a spare. Hmm, different tactics called for...

Aha - thanks Great Yeti - i had sort of forgot that, as I drive it 99.9% of time. So there tends to be only one key in use - the spare being kept as, well, a spare. Hmm, different tactics called for...

I don't follow the logic. Why is there no need for rear lights when DRLs are used? Doesn't follow.

As far as I know there is no regulation requiring dipped headlights when using wipers. It may be common sense to do so in certain circumstances but, if it were a requirement, would not VW have "wired it in"?

They have.

Set your lights and wipers to auto (where fitted) and dipped headlights are automatically turned on after the wipers have been active for a set period.

My DLRs were on - so I was fairly relaxed about being seen.

During one really bad shower, I put on the fog lights so that the rear fog light could be lit. I wonder why there is no provision for rear DLRs?

Wanting to be seen in poor visibility but driving around with DRL's only? How are those behind supposed to see you?

DRL's are not a substitute for dipped headlights, if visibility is reduced dipped headlights should be used as this ensures your rear lights are on too.

Hence I have a pet hate for cars with TWO rear fog lamps. One fog clearly shows you that the bright light you are looking at is in fact a fog lamp. Having two on makes the brake lights completely invisible as you state. They should make it illegal to rewire a car to have both working at the same time in my book.

I am on the other side of the fence on this one.

I have enabled the second rear fog light on my Octavia Scout.

If the fog is dense enough to warrant the use of rear fogs (very rare is fog so thick that visibility is reduced to less than 100 metres) I want as much rear visibility as possible.

The earlier the car infront becomes visible through the fog the more time you have to adjust your speed and more importantly maintain a safe distance.

Fog lights masking the brake lights shouldn't be an issue, if you are a safe distance behind the car infront, with brake lights or no brake lights, you should be able to react and come to a dead stop if neccessary.

Wanting to be seen in poor visibility but driving around with DRL's only? How are those behind supposed to see you?

DRL's are not a substitute for dipped headlights, if visibility is reduced dipped headlights should be used as this ensures your rear lights are on too.

DRLs are there to improve your visibility to other drivers in conditions where dipped headlights are not appropriate.

Recent misty weather just showed how inefficient sidelights are BUT some drivers insisted on using only sidelights. In circumstances like these DRLs are a better option to just sidelights.

I know you will claim that dipped headlights should have been used but some drivers don't think like that. Some drivers really believe that headlights should only be used after dark. Rediculous but true.

They have.

Set your lights and wipers to auto (where fitted) and dipped headlights are automatically turned on after the wipers have been active for a set period.

What is "Auto"? Most cars do not have these "extras" and, in most cases, they are not required. Some drivers can still think for themselves.

It seems to be the trend to dictate to the driver exactly what some designer thinks should happen. Dipped headlights are required when visibility is poor but not required during a minor shower of rain. The choice must remain with the driver who has the ultimate responsibility for the safe use of the car.

Edited 25 March, 201115 yr by Terfyn

The correct use of lights will always cause interesting debate.

I still think that there are conditions when sidelights are more appropriate than dipped headlights, yet I also appreciate why many people say sidelights should only be used for parking.

If DRL's also activated the rear lights then this would make them far more useful in my eyes, but again I don't disagree with those who say if the conditions warrant lights then it should always be dipped headlights.

It seems strange to me when a car with LED DRL's (Octavia vRS for example) can be driving along, the driver notices that the light is beginning to fade so turns on sidelights, the DRL's then dim acting as sidelights. So its getting darker, yet by turning on the lights frontal visibility is reduced.

At least with the Yeti as soon as the lights are turned on the DRL's turn off.

It seems to be the trend to dictate to the driver exactly what some designer thinks should happen. Dipped headlights are required when visibility is poor but not required during a minor shower of rain. The choice must remain with the driver who has the ultimate responsibility for the safe use of the car.

I am a believer of "if your wipers are on then your dipped headlights should be on".

Even if the rain is minor, if you need your wipers on then it is fair to assume visibility must be impaired.

When visibility is impaired making yourself more visible to others by turning on dipped headlights in my eyes can only be a good thing.

I agree with auto lights, they can't detect fog or spray so the responsibility is still with the driver.

It seems to be the trend to dictate to the driver exactly what some designer thinks should happen.

It seems strange to me when a car with LED DRL's (Octavia vRS for example) can be driving along, the driver notices that the light is beginning to fade so turns on sidelights, the DRL's then dim acting as sidelights. So its getting darker, yet by turning on the lights frontal visibility is reduced.

I couldn't agree with my fellow Briskodians more. I hate this increasing tendency to take control away from the driver, by the use of technology which is, in my personal view, insufficiently sophisticated to undertake the tasks and decisions required of it. In short, I believe the technology is yet half-baked, but you wouldn't believe it from the way it has enjoyed widespread adoption.

In the case of Auto lights, there are numerous occasions when conditions require, in this drivers estimation, dipped headlights (and, by implication, rear lights) to be switched on, and the Auto function fails to react. One is in dull wet conditions when wipers are being deployed intermittently - manually or otherwise. I am not prepared to wait until the Auto function thinks they are needed. You might think this is not a problem, as having the Auto function does not remove the manual functionality. But, again in my view, it encourages drivers to 'switch off' their minds, and allow the Auto functions to make the decisions for them, and this is dangerous. When I used the Auto lights function a lot, for instance, I invariably found I would forget it wasn't switched on on the rarer occasions the lights were in a manual mode - either off, or on. This has resulted in the past in my driving away with lights off, when I assumed they would be on, and leaving them on, when I assumed they would switch off.

As I have ranted before, this 'half intelligent' technology is not so disastrous in the case of lights, where all manual functions are at least retained. But it is especially annoying in the case of the auto rain sensor wipers, for instance - where, if you have them, you lose the otherwise excellent VAG variable intermittant capability. And, worse, you have to have the rain sensor, if you want a rear dimming mirror. Madness in my view!

There is no way the Yeti's DRL's can dazzle anyone, they are not bright enough. A full explanation of how they work can be found in the hand book.

Wanting to be seen in poor visibility but driving around with DRL's only? How are those behind supposed to see you?

DRL's are not a substitute for dipped headlights, if visibility is reduced dipped headlights should be used as this ensures your rear lights are on too.

Quite right. DRL's are there for added visibilty from the front, not for reduced visibility conditions, where fogs or dipped headligts should be used.

Quite right. DRL's are there for added visibilty from the front, not for reduced visibility conditions, where fogs or dipped headligts should be used.

Indeed if you have the elegance and leave the lights on auto, it is surprising how early they come on before other vehicles start to bother due to the fading light. Not so good in fog though as it can be bright enough to fool the automatic system, yet still need the lights on for safety.

I am a believer of "if your wipers are on then your dipped headlights should be on".

This is the law in some States in the USA (certainly in North Carolina)

Indeed if you have the elegance and leave the lights on auto, it is surprising how early they come on before other vehicles start to bother due to the fading light. Not so good in fog though as it can be bright enough to fool the automatic system, yet still need the lights on for safety.

On my Octavia the auto light system often brought the lights on at first start when the vehicle was facing bright sunshine at 10am on a bright Summer Day. Wasn't impressed and could not get them to go out with several stop/start ignition on/off attempts. This frequently but not always happened. Never ever did this in bright but sunless conditions. Eventually reverted to using manual lights system at all times as though the system worked well in lower lighting conditions I was often caught with lights on in bright sunshine. Traded car in for a Yeti before I could get round to asking a dealer to investigate.