graph looks good, would like that sort of power So Clive you getting another Ocy?? Would be interesting to see how you could better your last two.

octy as family car ( if i convince the better half lol) and deffo evo as the fun car

you resized it too small !

My eyes gone squiffy trying to read it - can't tell the circles from squares :S

me too....must be our age!

octy as family car ( if i convince the better half lol) and deffo evo as the fun car

Family car with 250bhp+ My mate is being a nightmare getting that spec ready for his EVO, he's buggered off to Oz for a few weeks so might have to wait a while.

what are the boost logs like for this map?

looking at the OP's Mods on the engine side he lists Forge FMIC (which one? twin pass or straight through?) Forge TIP, CAI and Blue Flame Turbo back (what CAT? 100CEL Sports or standard as he talks about getting Decat?) So my question to Ben is was the stage 2 map a "generic" map tweaked for the mods or was it mapped on a rolling road? And the all important questions, how much and whats the waiting list like? :D (just kidding, I have some work to get sorted first but definately interested if this can be done on the STS unit as well)

Sorry if the pic was too small.Front mount is a twin pass i think,the cia is ABD with a new K&N,the cat is a100cel i think and the map is "generic".Car is low miles with good history,just serviced with mobile 1 and new oem plugs"gapped correctly" and as i said new MAF and N75 on Vpower plus alot of booster.Its boost in 4th anyway is 20/22psi then dropping as the rev's rise past something like 4500rpm

The real reason i want to get a decat is to fit a WOT box as im aware ill not gain anything by doing it.Ill take it to another rolling road when ive other mods just to make sure it wasn't a fluke.

Once again cheers Ben.

Edited 30 October, 201015 yr by wagonwheels

decat will add power if mapped in...

this is very good power and shows mapping must have come on a bit since i had mine done as i was running high flow inlet high flow exhaust mannifold 3 inch abd intake straight through and never got this amount of power with a custom map

but mapping is always improving and top marks go to ben as that graph tells the story huge power and smooth i didnt think i would say that about bens maps but i take my hat of to him and will no doubt use him for tuning in the future well done

Curious observation.. but how is max. engine HP developed at significantly different rpm than max. wheel HP ?

Oooo . Very cool, i must admit iirc the durv doctor used to say you could squeeze 250 out the ko3 , but they change the manifold to stop things breaking amd i think they may have swapped the injectors?

But at the end of the day if its fun its fun...

Generous road or not you def seem happy

And if it doesnt blow up lol then its a bargin

Its k04-001 power isnt it ? Hehe my mk2 golf was running one at 22-24psi with my 1.8t swap ...... I went puff racing a skyline tehe (soooooo much black smoke) doh

Good luck matey and all this best with it good job....

Curious observation.. but how is max. engine HP developed at significantly different rpm than max. wheel HP ?

not too sure if you mean that, or why max torque and max power don't occur at same time

if its the former, frictional losses which increase with engine and transmission rpm may be the case

if its what i suggested it because POWER = TORQUE x ENGINE RPM (plus some conversion constants we won't get into - google it if you are interested)

Cheers guys.Ben let me know when the Wotbox's arrive

LMFAO!!

Lovely map/car mate, keep up the good work.

Can Shark map a GT35?

not too sure if you mean that, or why max torque and max power don't occur at same time

if its the former, frictional losses which increase with engine and transmission rpm may be the case

if its what i suggested it because POWER = TORQUE x ENGINE RPM (plus some conversion constants we won't get into - google it if you are interested)

No, I meant exactly as written, I'm totally happy about how HP and Torque relate - in the first run example shown :

Max wheel HP 218.6 @ 4878rpm, max engine HP 245.5 @ 5453rpm - significantly different rpm.. ??

Considering the engine HP figure is a calculated derivation from measured wheel HP, how do the two occur at significantly different rpms? Unless it is an anomaly in the way the system calculation uses the run-down losses in the guess - sorry calculaton - of engine HP ?

Edited 31 October, 201015 yr by richm

(definately interested if this can be done on the STS unit as well)

Let's not get into the generic/custom debate again.. But yes this particular map was done by STS so no problems there.

Can Shark map a GT35?

It's a bit bigger than most of the 1.8T's we've done but it would be great to have a look at it!

It's a bit bigger than most of the 1.8T's we've done but it would be great to have a look at it!

May well come and see you then. I will wait untill the engine has some miles on it first.

PS could not find an answer in your frequently asked questions. Lol.

My Shark stage 2 map dyno'd at 207 wheel HP with decat but the standard SMIC.

No, I meant exactly as written, I'm totally happy about how HP and Torque relate - in the first run example shown :

Max wheel HP 218.6 @ 4878rpm, max engine HP 245.5 @ 5453rpm - significantly different rpm.. ??

Considering the engine HP figure is a calculated derivation from measured wheel HP, how do the two occur at significantly different rpms? Unless it is an anomaly in the way the system calculation uses the run-down losses in the guess - sorry calculaton - of engine HP ?

it's because rollers cannot measure engine HP - they predict it from wheel HP measurements

so its to do with the calculation they use to predict it, and like i said earlier it will attribute more power loss from frictional and transmission losses at higher rpms so will estimate peak engine power at higher rpms

hope that made sense

it's because rollers cannot measure engine HP - they predict it from wheel HP measurements

so its to do with the calculation they use to predict it, and like i said earlier it will attribute more power loss from frictional and transmission losses at higher rpms so will estimate peak engine power at higher rpms

hope that made sense

no it doesn't make any sense - the peak power is measured at the wheels at a particular rpm, and a calculation applied to that data to derive the engine power . The two figures can't actually occur at two different rpms, so it must be some vagary in the way it uses rundown data to make the calculation, or there is a settling period during lift-off which creates an artificial jump in the apparent losses which are included in the calculation.

surely mappng the engine 65bhp more than it should be and like 100 Ib/ft of torque will severely reduce the life of your engine.

surely mappng the engine 65bhp more than it should be and like 100 Ib/ft of torque will severely reduce the life of your engine.

Yes.

But who's to say that the stock amount of power is what it should be? That power level is set for a combination of power, longevity etc.

The engine can handle more, reliably, if it's looked after properly.

Whether it can handle 35%+ more is debatable

But there's always going to be a trade off when tuning a car, you have to accept that when you decide to do it.

surely mappng the engine 65bhp more than it should be and like 100 Ib/ft of torque will severely reduce the life of your engine.

....and the MPG goes down (don't tell anyone as they may stop modding their cars if this all gets out).

On the up side the car feels lighter as your wallet empties.

Engines are usually de-tuned anyway because people insist on using poor fuel / not servicing their car at the regular intervals etc as well, so a 65bhp increase may not be all that bad anyway!

as above my old cossie was 204 bhp from ford i took it up to 396bhp and the engine is still very strong 32k later

big difference between a cossie block and a 1.8t block