VAG 170 PS Diesel Injector Failures - VOSA action

[Tech1e]

Is it just me or are a lot of members finding that replacing the injectors is then causing DPF / turbo issues immediately afterwards?

Is the pre emptive changing of the injectors likely to cause more issues than it solves?

Not if it's done properly and there wasnt underlying issues anyhow.

[suk]

mines had a new turbo a few month ago, new dpf sensor and software just recently, ran perfect till got the new injectors! sure there wasnt any underlying on mine to be fair! :S

[rotodiesel]

You will always see consequential problems when the monkeys are let loose on customer's engines.

rotodiesel.

[Tech1e]

I'm no monkey

[suk]

I'm no monkey

no pics, no proof kidding!

[geovadim]

Confirmation from a UK Passat forum. As I says last month, the new injectors are Continental, not Bosch.

Hi guys' date=' I just had all 4 injectors and loom replaced FOC by a main dealer here in London and their technician told me that the new injectors are in fact Continental brand.[/quote']

http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35154&start=325

[onmeheadson]

Confirmation from a UK Passat forum. As I says last month, the new injectors are Continental, not Bosch.

http://www.ukpassats.co.uk/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=35154&start=325

But this doesn't neccesarily mean that they haven't been modified.

[silver1011]

A big well done to all those who have contacted VOSA over this issue.

I have just got off the phone to VOSA to be told that VAG will be issuing a recall on all affected vehicles.

Priority is for vehicles that have already suffered a failure so it may be a while before the recall is issued to give the supplier time to stock pile sufficient quantities of the affected parts.

VOSA also mentioned that as long as the vehicle is fitted with the affected parts then they will be replaced FOC regardless of if they are still working OK and regardless of the fact of if the vehicle is or isn't under the original manufacturers warranty or not.

I think these have been posted earlier in the thread but these are the numbers I was asked to use:

1) VOSA - 01179 543300

2) Skoda Customer Care - 08457 745745 (Simon Ackroyd / Ian Walsh / Dan)

VOSA told me that they have been inundated with enquiries!

I was advised by Skoda Customer Care to book my car into my chosen Skoda retailer for a "visual check" to confirm the vehicle is fitted with the affected parts. Once satisfied the dealer will order the parts and make a second appointment to have them replaced free of charge.

When I rang my Skoda dealer they did say that unless there was a fault found that they wouldn't be replaced FOC. This is not what VOSA and Skoda Customer Service said so don't be put off but the dealer. It would appear the recall hasn't been issued yet and until then the dealer network are still being cautious about promising free replacements.

Thanks to all involved on this thread, without I would never have known!

Edited 10 October, 2011 by silver1011

[geovadim]

But this doesn't neccesarily mean that they haven't been modified.

Yes, you are right and this in also my hope and a normal way of thinking. But, from what I talked to a mechanic in a official VW workshop, he told me that the new Continental injectors for 140hp engines are beginning to fail also. I can't put my head for this affirmation, but is what a person (whom is not a friend or something - it is an just unknown telephone voice) told me.

Maybe Skoda or VW mechanics from here can tell. Tech1e maybe.

Edited 10 October, 2011 by geovadim

[Davey_vRS]

Mine is going in this week for 4 new injectors.. Car lost all power last week and stopped but started up again and drove home, still been working ok since.. I got it on vagcom and it brought up supply voltage A for injectors circuit malfunction. Spoke to customer service but not to simon this time, hes on seat team now I believe.. I spoke to Dan, got my car booked in and had the phone call that all 4 are being replaced once they come in.

[LukeRs]

Yes, you are right and this in also my hope and a normal way of thinking. But, from what I talked to a mechanic in a official VW workshop, he told me that the new Continental injectors for 140hp engines are beginning to fail also. I can't put my head for this affirmation, but is what a person (whom is not a friend or something - it is an just unknown telephone voice) told me.

Maybe Skoda or VW mechanics from here can tell. Tech1e maybe.

We are only interested in the 170hp injectors at this moment in time.

After you have been told numerous times, the new part whether it's Bosch, Siemens or Continetal is a MODIFIED part which technically means it shouldn't go again. I cannot see why VAG group would fit the same injectors again (Unless the wiring loom is purely at fault for them going in the first place) for all injectors to be replaced again, as that is serious problems should they do so.

I'm getting sick of reading the same thing over and over!

[Deneo]

We are only interested in the 170hp injectors at this moment in time.

After you have been told numerous times, the new part whether it's Bosch, Siemens or Continetal is a MODIFIED part which technically means it shouldn't go again. I cannot see why VAG group would fit the same injectors again (Unless the wiring loom is purely at fault for them going in the first place) for all injectors to be replaced again, as that is serious problems should they do so.

I'm getting sick of reading the same thing over and over!

+1

It's getting very annoying isn't it. If only he'd proof read too.

[LukeRs]

Very mate, I'm sick of reading the same.

I'm happy knowing my Leon has had them replaced and I am comfortable now driving in it.

[Deneo]

Very mate, I'm sick of reading the same.

I'm happy knowing my Leon has had them replaced and I am comfortable now driving in it.

The same here buddy, After breaking down on the M6, I am very happy to know I have the 4 new "2 seal" Continental Modified injector in too. It puts my mind at rest for the safety of my family. I have a friend who has an Indi Audi Specialist garage. He too knows about the issues, and states it would be a stupid thing for such a large company to put exactly the same injectors back in. He too has been told that the new injectors have been modified to correct the issue. It pains me to read something that is based on “word of mouth”, staring up anxiety that the parts may fail. Complete rubbish IMHO. My car has been fantastic since the change, I know some people have had DFP issues and Turbo problems, but I must be one of the lucky ones.

I have had to bite my tongue not to reply as he is just trying to wind people up. It’s a Silly game. If he’s a reported as stated (Oh sorry, a sports reported as later stated) maybe he needs to look for a better way of investigating.

[Davey_vRS]

Deneo.. Did you have yours done last week by any chance?

[geovadim]

We are only interested in the 170hp injectors at this moment in time.

Me too, I have the 170hp engine on my Passat. But I am extrapolating: if the new injectors fail on other VW engines (e.g. 140hp), why he'll not fail the same on this one?

I don't know about you, but when I bought may car in 2007 I tried to read about it and its problems. At that time they said that the 170hp 2007 model for Passat (BMR code engine) is safe and unlike 140hp and below this one will not have injector problems. I was very happy and bought the car. I have now two injectors down at 1 month distance. I am not trusting VW anymore. If on other engines the new Continental injectors fail, what arguments do you have to 'proove' that the 170hp is safe? I really have no arguments.

I am sorry that I annoy you, it wasn't my purpose, my goal. Maybe you are happy that VW is changing FOC these parts. I am not... I would have preferred instead to pay all the injectors and never be forced to open the engine again. I am very frustrated about this problem and it don't seems normal to me to be forced to spend 50-60k on an Audi or BMW just to avoid the injector nightmare. Not to mention that this car value dropped and people who want to buy a second hand car with this engine prefer not to.

Is is not my fault and it is not your fault that we are writing and reading here about this problem. I don't want to prove you anything, I just tried to find out what the situation is in other countries, as I am not happy with what's going on (why VW is not making a recall and stays low-profile?) and I am trying to obtain in Court a legal document from VW in which to state that the new injectors are safe. That's all...

ps: read this to see what recall is VW forced to do in the USA. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/07/vw-usrecall-idUSN1E79604H20111007

Unlike in Europe, in the USA things seem to work better. And I also read an article (I don't find it in English) where it said that VW will also recall soon in the USA numerous Passat model produced between 2008-2010 for (you will not guess)... injector problems. Not the same problems as the 'acknowledged' ones, but also a production failure regarding the injectors (some electric failures of injector no. 1).

Edited 10 October, 2011 by geovadim

[Deneo]

Deneo.. Did you have yours done last week by any chance?

About 3 or 4 weeks ago now. Working very well

[Deneo]

Me too, I have the 170hp engine on my Passat. But I am extrapolating: if the new injectors fail on other VW engines (e.g. 140hp), why he'll not fail the same on this one?

How many cars has this mechanic fixed? How many of them have failed?

I don't know about you, but when I bought may car in 2007 I tried to read about it and its problems. At that time they said that the 170hp 2007 model for Passat (BMR code engine) is safe and unlike 140hp and below this one will not have injector problems. I was very happy and bought the car. I have now two injectors down at 1 month distance. I am not trusting VW anymore. If on other engines the new Continental injectors fail, what arguments do you have to 'proove' that the 170hp is safe? I really have no arguments.

I am sorry that I annoy you, it wasn't my purpose, my goal. Maybe you are happy that VW is changing FOC these parts. I am not... I would have preferred instead to pay all the injectors and never be forced to open the engine again. I am very frustrated about this problem and it don't seems normal to me to be forced to spend 50-60k on an Audi or BMW just to avoid the injector nightmare. Not to mention that this car value dropped and people who want to buy a second hand car with this engine prefer not to.

Is is not my fault and it is not your fault that we are writing and reading here about this problem. I don't want to prove you anything, I just tried to find out what the situation is in other countries, as I am not happy with what's going on (why VW is not making a recall and stays low-profile?) and I am trying to obtain in Court a legal document from VW in which to state that the new injectors are safe. That's all...

ps: read this to see what recall is VW forced to do in the USA. http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/07/vw-usrecall-idUSN1E79604H20111007

Unlike in Europe, in the USA things seem to work better. And I also read an article (I don't find it in English) where it said that VW will also recall soon in the USA numerous Passat model produced between 2008-2010 for (you will not guess)... injector problems. Not the same problems as the 'acknowledged' ones, but also a production failure regarding the injectors (some electric failures of injector no. 1).

How many cars has this mechanic fixed? How many of them have failed? How many of the four injectors per car have failed? Is this mechanic in touch with all failed injectors throughout all the garages in Romania that have had them replaced? Are they failing at an alarming rate? Or are Romanian garages putting the same injectors in? You have stated that these are not being replaced on VAG say so, only that you have taken your car to a garage and had one or two replaced, even paying for them.

– I thought Audi A3’s were also affected, so don’t buy one of those to avoid injector failures.

In your link to USA Recall,you are showing a completely different issue that is being recalled. If a car is to set on fire, then a “Safety recall†must be put in place.

I do state that Lawfully, VAG are not obliged to do a recall on injector failures. Morally, we think they should . I believe by reading an earlier post, VAG will be doing a recall on this car,at least here in the UK.

I do feel sorry for you if your country is not fighting this for you. But if your injectors are failing on replacement, I would suggest that the garage is using dodgy injectors. I don't however believe this is the case in the UK.

This is my last reply to you as I am wasting valuable time I should be spending with my daughter. Night night!

[rustyGT]

Anything can fail at any time.. I am much happier knowing that a part which seemed especially prone to failure has been replaced in my car.. peace of mind for me...

sent via HTC

[LukeRs]

How many cars has this mechanic fixed? How many of them have failed? How many of the four injectors per car have failed? Is this mechanic in touch with all failed injectors throughout all the garages in Romania that have had them replaced? Are they failing at an alarming rate? Or are Romanian garages putting the same injectors in? You have stated that these are not being replaced on VAG say so, only that you have taken your car to a garage and had one or two replaced, even paying for them.

– I thought Audi A3’s were also affected, so don’t buy one of those to avoid injector failures.

In your link to USA Recall,you are showing a completely different issue that is being recalled. If a car is to set on fire, then a “Safety recall†must be put in place.

I do state that Lawfully, VAG are not obliged to do a recall on injector failures. Morally, we think they should . I believe by reading an earlier post, VAG will be doing a recall on this car,at least here in the UK.

I do feel sorry for you if your country is not fighting this for you. But if your injectors are failing on replacement, I would suggest that the garage is using dodgy injectors. I don't however believe this is the case in the UK.

This is my last reply to you as I am wasting valuable time I should be spending with my daughter. Night night!

Haha where is the god damn 'Like' button lol!

It's funny you should mention to DPF issues, I find mine is doing more regens now!

[Deneo]

Haha where is the god damn 'Like' button lol!

It's funny you should mention to DPF issues, I find mine is doing more regens now!

It was beginning to get on my nerves. All on wishy washy speculation!

On the DPF issue, I bought my car second hand, I had lots of DPF regens needed. I was new to the DPF thing and struggled a bit. I thought I'd try the JML Cleaner (http://www.dieselparticulatefiltercleaner.com/Random-artikelen/jlm-diesel-particulate-filter-cleaner-diesel-particulate-filter-cleaning.html), it apparently reduces the carbon burn off temp by 150C. I haven’t had my DPF come on since. It recommends putting a can in every service of your car, but I guess I’ll see.

There is a place near me that sells it for £17, although I believe it’s RRP is £30. Well worth it though.

Edited 11 October, 2011 by Deneo

[Davey_vRS]

About 3 or 4 weeks ago now. Working very well

Ah thought it might have been last week.. My mate picked a vRS up on m6 for injector fail in outside lane.. Wondering if it may have been you.. Mines going in today to get sorted

[Deneo]

Ah thought it might have been last week.. My mate picked a vRS up on m6 for injector fail in outside lane.. Wondering if it may have been you.. Mines going in today to get sorted

I had to get towed by Howley Quay into Warrington. I broke down 8 miles from the place and it was £102.70 to get towed :-( Although, Skoda are paying the bill

[silver1011]

Some interesting reading for those who are technically minded.

Always wondered how these later Seimens Piezo injectors differed from the trusty Bosch Solenoid injectors...

http://www.volkspage.net/technik/ssp/ssp/SSP_352.pdf

[AndrewJB]

SEAT UK have agreed to replace mine now