I didn't get a spare wheel either!!!! How many other owners didn't???

I was told that spare wheels were a thing of the past and that the aerosol repair had replaced it??

It states Amsdun sat nav. I wasn't aware Amsdun was a seperate stereo. DAB can be an upgrade on all kinds of stereo systems.

Touchscreen ‘Bolero’ radio - 2 DIN with integrated 6 CD changer (can play MP3 recordings) is down as a single item however the Amsdun sat nav and DAB are mentioned as seperate items when theyre clearly part of the same to take for granted any one thing is replacing another is not clear at all. Obviously a car can only have one set of wheels - but since it mentioned an Amsdun sat nav and a DAB should I expect it to have two stereo units???? Obviously not. Instead to assume that what is listed are the major features are all included. Maybe its a "1990s" thing but I see 6 CD changer as a MAJOR feature and make no assumption that it can only be with one stereo or another as they are often seperate things altogether. Its a major feature in my book, one I asked the staff about on various occasions but was always referred to the literature. The literature states a VRS comes with a stereo with a 6 CD changer and since this is a limited edition VRS my assumption, as admitted by them to not be unreasonable, that it would be speced as a VRS unless specifically noted. It does NOT state at any time or place that the feature was not included. Everyone here does not see the 6 CD changer as a premium item whilst I clearly do.

I hear whats been said about the better stereo being an Amsdun but please, could someone show me where its specification is in the Octavia brochure so that I could have judged it prior to purchase? Or even to be informed it IS a stereo at ALL instead of just a Sat Nav feature?

The literature the sales guys work to clearly states the spec of Blackline is as per the normal car with the Amundsen + Head Unit, DAB, vRS Leather, rear parking sensors and Black wheels over and above the standard car.

The Amundsen + is actualky a rebadged version of the RNS 315 headunit that would have been in the Leon FR+.

Not to sound harsh but if you'd done your homework it wasnt too hard to find out that the HU was in fact different to the standard cars and that is had a single slot MP3 CD player.

If it is really that bigger a deal i'm fairly confident the Amundsen will support a 6CD changer, but you'll have no chance getting Skoda or your dealer to cough up for it

Edited 1 February, 201313 yr by pipsyp

I respect your decision to have whatever ICE you want in your car.

However, to try and argue that the reader has been misled or lied to by Skoda is stretching it a bit far. I'm sure that most Blackline owners did not expect a CD multichanger.

Enjoy your car for what it is - an affordable and quality motor. There are far too many positives to this model for it to be dissed because it does not do multiple CDs.

SKODA themselves state that the brochure is unclear. This is a major life purchase and I expect what is noted as being present to be present. I have saved for YEARS to be able to get this car. The 6 CD changer is a significant detraction is its another 300 quid to get one put in when I wasn't expecting to have to pay further for what I wanted and was NEVER TOLD OTHERWISE.

Perhaps trying to talk about a SKODA on a SKODA website is always going to be an uphill struggle as you're all obviously unconditional lovers of SKODA. Its obvious to me that SKODA are at fault as it was something I wanted and have not been provided with. I never went out to buy a Blackline, it was a fluke there was some available as I had closed my options down to a Leon FR+ a pre reg VW passatt and only looked at the VRS Octavia as middle ground. Its only the limited edition that got me to get one due to the EXTRA features - I thought the changer would be a solid retainer. Maybe the problem lies with the dealership who didn't advise me otherwise despite mentioning the option several times but its clear they didn't know either.

Here is an advert for a blacklines on autotrader where the sell BELIEVE they've got 6 CD changers!! There are quite a few more. Clearly they're idiots like me who didn't realise its missing. Silly SKODA dealers eh? Or instead is that it that the brochure and information from SKODA is unclear and MISLEADING??

Does anyone here work for SKODA by the way??

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301194980827/sort/default/usedcars/model/octavia/make/skoda/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/hu115qr/page/1/keywords/blackline/radius/1501/advert-type/standard-listing?logcode=ucbnp

Does anyone here work for SKODA by the way??

that would be handy mate so they could confirm my SILVER Blackline

I don't think it's fair to tell stuart that he has a 'better' stereo or that he should get a cheap SD card etc. at the end of the day he has stated that he hasn't got a laptop and as such the unit is only 'better' for him if he values nav over a boot changer. Personally, whilst I'd prefer built in nav, I'd much rather have my farming and be able to change between a decent selection of music easily - so I can sympathise. Strangely enough as I do have a lot of digital music I use the bolero in my oct and it hardly ever has any CDs in it!

I also don't think that Stuart 'should have known'. I'd never thought about it, and it makes sense perhaps, but there's no reason why te Columbus or Amundsen shouldn't have CD changers in them (its not like the nav part needs to take up any space really).

All of that said, the brochure will, I imagine, be quite clear in that it has a 'bolero' changer and as soon as another headunit is substituted there is (with hindsight) no reason to assume that the alternative will indeed have this facility.

My advice to Stuart (assuming a chamger > nav for him) would be to offer his Amundsen in exchange for a Bolero (either steaight awap or maybe with say £100 or something going his way) in the for sale section and see if anyone is interested. Many people sell their boleros to fund Columbus units so there might be someone who would want to do this (actually I might be tempted myself, if I could play with an amudsen to see if I like it).

SKODA themselves state that the brochure is unclear. This is a major life purchase and I expect what is noted as being present to be present. I have saved for YEARS to be able to get this car. The 6 CD changer is a significant detraction is its another 300 quid to get one put in when I wasn't expecting to have to pay further for what I wanted and was NEVER TOLD OTHERWISE.

Perhaps trying to talk about a SKODA on a SKODA website is always going to be an uphill struggle as you're all obviously unconditional lovers of SKODA. Its obvious to me that SKODA are at fault as it was something I wanted and have not been provided with. I never went out to buy a Blackline, it was a fluke there was some available as I had closed my options down to a Leon FR+ a pre reg VW passatt and only looked at the VRS Octavia as middle ground. Its only the limited edition that got me to get one due to the EXTRA features - I thought the changer would be a solid retainer. Maybe the problem lies with the dealership who didn't advise me otherwise despite mentioning the option several times but its clear they didn't know either.

Here is an advert for a blacklines on autotrader where the sell BELIEVE they've got 6 CD changers!! There are quite a few more. Clearly they're idiots like me who didn't realise its missing. Silly SKODA dealers eh? Or instead is that it that the brochure and information from SKODA is unclear and MISLEADING??

Does anyone here work for SKODA by the way??

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301194980827/sort/default/usedcars/model/octavia/make/skoda/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/hu115qr/page/1/keywords/blackline/radius/1501/advert-type/standard-listing?logcode=ucbnp

I think a quick look round the forum will show that there are plenty of us willing to slate skoda when they're at fault. I think the problem is that you are in a minority of people that would think the 6 cd changer is so important when you can stick 200 CDs on an SD card - I think people are missing the point that you've already stated that this is either not appealing or not possible for you.

As for autotrader most of that info gets sucked into the ad from the 'standard spec' rather than the seller entering it. I found this out when I queried a car stated as having tinted windows and lowered suspension and was told that the autotrader website had automatically put that

SKODA themselves state that the brochure is unclear. This is a major life purchase and I expect what is noted as being present to be present. I have saved for YEARS to be able to get this car. The 6 CD changer is a significant detraction is its another 300 quid to get one put in when I wasn't expecting to have to pay further for what I wanted and was NEVER TOLD OTHERWISE.

Perhaps trying to talk about a SKODA on a SKODA website is always going to be an uphill struggle as you're all obviously unconditional lovers of SKODA. Its obvious to me that SKODA are at fault as it was something I wanted and have not been provided with. I never went out to buy a Blackline, it was a fluke there was some available as I had closed my options down to a Leon FR+ a pre reg VW passatt and only looked at the VRS Octavia as middle ground. Its only the limited edition that got me to get one due to the EXTRA features - I thought the changer would be a solid retainer. Maybe the problem lies with the dealership who didn't advise me otherwise despite mentioning the option several times but its clear they didn't know either.

Here is an advert for a blacklines on autotrader where the sell BELIEVE they've got 6 CD changers!! There are quite a few more. Clearly they're idiots like me who didn't realise its missing. Silly SKODA dealers eh? Or instead is that it that the brochure and information from SKODA is unclear and MISLEADING??

Does anyone here work for SKODA by the way??

http://www.autotrade...g?logcode=ucbnp

I can't help but feel that you are trying to blame Skoda for your own failure to check the full details and specification correctly. I read the literature and was clearly aware that the Blackline does not have a 6 disc changer - and I very much doubt that you were given any different literature to me.

Can I suggest that if the purchase of the car was such a major life purchase (and it certainly was for me), then you need to start reading & researching in more detail what you are getting beforehand. I took away the standard Skoda brochure and knew exactly what I would be getting when it arrived. I'm sorry that you are upset and feel let down, but I'm afraid that nothing you have said convinces me that it is anything other than your own fault for failing to read the available material and do enough research on your prospective purchase.

Edited 1 February, 201313 yr by Chappers.

that would be handy mate so they could confirm my SILVER Blackline

Didnt the do a 'silver line' some time ago? You sure it isn't a PD?

Does the VRS blackline estate with amudsen sat nav come with a maxidot or a standard display

Does the VRS blackline estate with amudsen sat nav come with a maxidot or a standard display

Maxidot

You get maxidot, despite skoda not telling you. that!

Before this goes off on a complete tangent I would suggest that if you are buying any car you research it as no dealer is ever going to know everything about their cars. We are on a forum and therefore know more about our own car and some on here know even more about others to.

What I was trying to say to Stuart is that if it was me I wouldn't bother going into the dealership as they won't supply one for free as the brochure clearly states that the bolero has an 'integrated' 6 cd changer as apposed to say the stream that came with my elegance that has a changer in the boot. Funnily enough it no longer works now I have changed to a bolero. I would offer it to you, but I plan on removing the bolero when I sell my car

I respect your decision to have whatever ICE you want in your car.

However, to try and argue that the reader has been misled or lied to by Skoda is stretching it a bit far. I'm sure that most Blackline owners did not expect a CD multichanger.

Enjoy your car for what it is - an affordable and quality motor. There are far too many positives to this model for it to be dissed because it does not do multiple CDs.

SKODA themselves state that the brochure is unclear. This is a major life purchase and I expect what is noted as being present to be present. I have saved for YEARS to be able to get this car. The 6 CD changer is a significant detraction is its another 300 quid to get one put in when I wasn't expecting to have to pay further for what I wanted and was NEVER TOLD OTHERWISE.

Perhaps trying to talk about a SKODA on a SKODA website is always going to be an uphill struggle as you're all obviously unconditional lovers of SKODA. Its obvious to me that SKODA are at fault as it was something I wanted and have not been provided with. I never went out to buy a Blackline, it was a fluke there was some available as I had closed my options down to a Leon FR+ a pre reg VW passatt and only looked at the VRS Octavia as middle ground. Its only the limited edition that got me to get one due to the EXTRA features - I thought the changer would be a solid retainer. Maybe the problem lies with the dealership who didn't advise me otherwise despite mentioning the option several times but its clear they didn't know either.

Here is an advert for a blacklines on autotrader where the sell BELIEVE they've got 6 CD changers!! There are quite a few more. Clearly they're idiots like me who didn't realise its missing. Silly SKODA dealers eh? Or instead is that it that the brochure and information from SKODA is unclear and MISLEADING??

Does anyone here work for SKODA by the way??

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301194980827/sort/default/usedcars/model/octavia/make/skoda/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/hu115qr/page/1/keywords/blackline/radius/1501/advert-type/standard-listing?logcode=ucbnp

I can't help but feel that you are trying to blame Skoda for your own failure to check the full details and specification correctly. I read the literature and was clearly aware that the Blackline does not have a 6 disc changer - and I very much doubt that you were given any different literature to me.

Can I suggest that if the purchase of the car was such a major life purchase (and it certainly was for me), then you need to start reading & researching in more detail what you are getting beforehand. I took away the standard Skoda brochure and knew exactly what I would be getting when it arrived. I'm sorry that you are upset and feel let down, but I'm afraid that nothing you have said convinces me that it is anything other than your own fault for failing to read the available material and do enough research on your prospective purchase.

I did read the literature and I asked the dealer stating how great it was coming with a 6 cd changer to which I was not told "no it doesn't". The literature states the VRS comes with a 6 CD Changer. I asked, three times at least at the garage, to which I was told that "customers often know more about the spec of models then we do" and referred to the literature. Upon reading the literature it states that in addition to the VRS spec it had Amsdun Sat Nav and DAB. How the heck does that state no 6 cd changer is missing???? Please can someone point out where the trigger is for me to have pushed the matter further.

1. I asked sales staff to which they referred me to the literature

2. literature states VRS with 6 cd changer. referred to Blackline spec. NO mention of lack of Bolerno radio and 6 cd changer going. Amsdun Sat Nav and DAB in addition. Where is it indicated the 6 CD cd changer wouldn't be included????

3. Ask upon delivery of car where the 6 CD changer is, referred to literature, still no statement to me that one is not present.

4. Too late, it seems....

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301144910226/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_1_year_old/model/octavia/make/skoda/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/hu11aa/page/1/keywords/blackline/radius/1501/advert-type/standard-listing?logcode=ucnnp

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301315132929/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_1_year_old/model/octavia/make/skoda/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/hu11aa/page/1/keywords/blackline/radius/1501/advert-type/standard-listing?logcode=ucnnp

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201301245031813/sort/default/usedcars/maximum-age/up_to_1_year_old/model/octavia/make/skoda/onesearchad/used/onesearchad/nearlynew/onesearchad/new/postcode/hu11aa/page/1/keywords/blackline/radius/1501/advert-type/standard-listing?logcode=ucbnp

All these adverts that I can find on autotrader state a cd multichanger is present. EVERYONE ADVERTISES IT as coming with the multichanger.

To state I didn't look into the issue quite frankly is insulting. Clearly I asked, clearly lots of garages think it comes with it, clearly the brochure insinuates one comes with it. How is that process not checking? Only specialist knowledge could have told me. Even Mitchell Skoda of Chester doesn't know it doesn't come with a multichanger so it would seem.

but I'm afraid that nothing you have said convinces me that it is anything other than your own fault for failing to read the available material and do enough research on your prospective purchase. - please explain where this literature is that would tell me???????

I wasn't expecting the 6 disc changer as I read up on the amunsden headunit.

I wasn't expecting the 6 disc changer as I read up on the amunsden headunit.

The literature only told me that it was Amunsden Sat Nav. Where does it say that it is anything else but a Sat Nav?

Does no one have anything to comment on the Autotrader adverts that state they are blacklines with CD multichangers??

I did read the literature and I asked the dealer stating how great it was coming with a 6 cd changer to which I was not told "no it doesn't". The literature states the VRS comes with a 6 CD Changer. I asked, three times at least at the garage, to which I was told that "customers often know more about the spec of models then we do" and referred to the literature. Upon reading the literature it states that in addition to the VRS spec it had Amsdun Sat Nav and DAB. How the heck does that state no 6 cd changer is missing???? Please can someone point out where the trigger is for me to have pushed the matter further.

1. I asked sales staff to which they referred me to the literature

2. literature states VRS with 6 cd changer. referred to Blackline spec. NO mention of lack of Bolerno radio and 6 cd changer going. Amsdun Sat Nav and DAB in addition. Where is it indicated the 6 CD cd changer wouldn't be included????

3. Ask upon delivery of car where the 6 CD changer is, referred to literature, still no statement to me that one is not present.

4. Too late, it seems....

http://www.autotrade...g?logcode=ucnnp

http://www.autotrade...g?logcode=ucnnp

http://www.autotrade...g?logcode=ucbnp

All these adverts that I can find on autotrader state a cd multichanger is present. EVERYONE ADVERTISES IT as coming with the multichanger.

To state I didn't look into the issue quite frankly is insulting. Clearly I asked, clearly lots of garages think it comes with it, clearly the brochure insinuates one comes with it. How is that process not checking? Only specialist knowledge could have told me. Even Mitchell Skoda of Chester doesn't know it doesn't come with a multichanger so it would seem.

but I'm afraid that nothing you have said convinces me that it is anything other than your own fault for failing to read the available material and do enough research on your prospective purchase. - please explain where this literature is that would tell me???????

Erm, it was in the normal Octavia brochure & on the website. The brochure states that the Bolero head unit has the 6 disc auto-changer. It is the Bolero that is fitted to the standard spec vRS, The brochure does state that to spec the Columbus with Sat Nav, the auto-changer is then deleted as it is a different head unit. The Blackline is not in the standard brochure and almost all the details are on-line, however the specifications of all three head units (actually four if you include the Stream unit fitted to the base spec Octy) are listed in the brochure.

You have already stated that the dealer told you that the Blackline did not have the 6 disc auto-changer yet decided not to listen to them - your exact quote being "I did read the literature and I asked the dealer stating how great it was coming with a 6 cd changer to which I was not told "no it doesn't"" and yet still you are complaining that it does not have one fitted.

You are obviously not going to accept that it is your mistake, despite all the facts showing that it was your lack of research. The fact that you are still not willing to accept this and are coming out with increasingly desperate attempts to back up your argument only go to prove this further. If you had checked the specification of the Amundsen+ unit that is clearly listed as being fitted to the Blackline you would have realised that it does not have the auto-changer facility.

As for relying on Autotrader adverts, if you go through life taking every sales pitch as gospel truth, then the lack of an auto-changer is probably going to be very low down on the list of issues and disappointments you are likely to end up facing.

And as for anyone being unconditional Skoda lovers, as far as I am aware, we are all contributors to this forum because we drive a Skoda (myself coming from far more "premium" brands prior to this). None of us are blind to their faults, and I, probably more than many on here have reasons to be extremely wary of Skoda & their dealers - but I cannot sit back when Skoda are being blamed for something that is in no way their fault due to someone else's incompetency.

I am sorry if this is starting to sound a little harsh, but it seems obvious to me that you are not prepared to listen to reason and will not stop until someone agrees with you - even though the facts are obvious that you are wrong on this matter.

Edited 1 February, 201313 yr by Chappers.

Before this goes off on a complete tangent I would suggest that if you are buying any car you research it as no dealer is ever going to know everything about their cars. We are on a forum and therefore know more about our own car and some on here know even more about others to.

What I was trying to say to Stuart is that if it was me I wouldn't bother going into the dealership as they won't supply one for free as the brochure clearly states that the bolero has an 'integrated' 6 cd changer as apposed to say the stream that came with my elegance that has a changer in the boot. Funnily enough it no longer works now I have changed to a bolero. I would offer it to you, but I plan on removing the bolero when I sell my car

You're quite right and no offence was taken from anything you've posted, sorry if I gave that impression. Its something I think SKODA are to blame for. I hadn't heard of the brand Amsdun until I bought this car. I'm not a diesel head and haven't been into cars for years. This was meant to be a treat after a lot of hard work and challenging times.

I think a quick look round the forum will show that there are plenty of us willing to slate skoda when they're at fault. I think the problem is that you are in a minority of people that would think the 6 cd changer is so important when you can stick 200 CDs on an SD card - I think people are missing the point that you've already stated that this is either not appealing or not possible for you.

As for autotrader most of that info gets sucked into the ad from the 'standard spec' rather than the seller entering it. I found this out when I queried a car stated as having tinted windows and lowered suspension and was told that the autotrader website had automatically put that

^^^^^^^^^^^^That's what someone has to say about the auto trader adverts!

Erm, it was in the normal Octavia brochure & on the website. The brochure states that the Bolero head unit has the 6 disc auto-changer. It is the Bolero that is fitted to the standard spec vRS, The brochure does state that to spec the Columbus with Sat Nav, the auto-changer is then deleted as it is a different head unit. The Blackline is not in the standard brochure and almost all the details are on-line, however the specifications of all three head units (actually four if you include the Stream unit fitted to the base spec Octy) are listed in the brochure.

You have already stated that the dealer told you that the Blackline did not have the 6 disc auto-changer yet decided not to listen to them - your exact quote being "I did read the literature and I asked the dealer stating how great it was coming with a 6 cd changer to which I was not told "no it doesn't"" and yet still you are complaining that it does not have one fitted.

You are obviously not going to accept that it is your mistake, despite all the facts showing that it was your lack of research. The fact that you are still not willing to accept this and are coming out with increasingly desperate attempts to back up your argument only go to prove this further. If you had checked the specification of the Amundsen+ unit that is clearly listed as being fitted to the Blackline you would have realised that it does not have the auto-changer facility.

As for relying on Autotrader adverts, if you go through life taking every sales pitch as gospel truth, then the lack of an auto-changer is probably going to be very low down on the list of issues and disappointments you are likely to end up facing.

And as for anyone being unconditional Skoda lovers, as far as I am aware, we are all contributors to this forum because we drive a Skoda (myself coming from far more "premium" brands prior to this). None of us are blind to their faults, and I, probably more than many on here have reasons to be extremely wary of Skoda & their dealers - but I cannot sit back when Skoda are being blamed for something that is in no way their fault due to someone else's incompetency.

I am sorry if this is starting to sound a little harsh, but it seems obvious to me that you are not prepared to listen to reason and will not stop until someone agrees with you - even though the facts are obvious that you are wrong on this matter.

Ok. Please tell what pages of the brochure I should have looked at? Be specific please. The brochure I have has the blackline on the page opposite the standard VRS. It is very clear in its statement in what it states it had and has not. Where does it mention that the Amundsen sat nav actually replaces the bolerno radio. I am not familiar with the make and, since the brochure clearly states changes, for example where the Columbus Sat Nav is present there Bolerno radio with 6 CD changer is removed. Why did it not mention the Amundsen too? Surely it would have been easy to include Amundsen in the sentence then I would have been clear.

I have stated that the dealer has NEVER told me the car came without the 6 CD Changer. Whenever I mentioned the matter they glossed over the issue not being specific about its spec either way asking me to check the brochure - ie they never told me it didn't come fitted, do you understand the statement? Clearly if they'd told me one wasn't present then I'd be quite ridiculous in even starting this thread. (I asked about bluetooth to which they did the same - the brochure obviously being clear about that one.)

Incidentally I have approached SKODA about the matter and they have agreed with me in that the brochure IS unclear. They're just stated they can't give me a 6 cd changer and said sorry. I have a case reference and everything so this is not a random lie to somehow make my own argument more reasonable. They did state they wondered why the other 499 owners hadn't queried the matter which is why I came to this forum to ask the question. And now I know lol.

Seriously, I really would like to know the point of reference to which you're obtaining the information on the blackline. So I can see for myself and learn from the experience. You mention facts so a simple walk through the pages I should refer to would be great and therefore support your judgement of me.

Edited 1 February, 201313 yr by stuart1671

Ok. Please tell what pages of the brochure I should have looked at? Be specific please. The brochure I have has the Blackline on the page opposite the standard VRS so it appears very clear what is and is not there.

Ok. Please tell what pages of the brochure I should have looked at? Be specific please. The brochure I have has the blackline on the page opposite the standard VRS. It is very clear in its statement in what it states it had and has not. There is no mentioned that the sat nav replaces the bolerno radio.

Sorry but I think it's VERY clear. It states that the Amundsen is included. It's clear that this is a different system. A 2 second click on Google showed me te difference. Not sure how this can be written clearer. All car booklets are the same. Each lever changes and it ALWAYS say either in addition or replaces. In this case it says standard over VRS. It completely clear on the opposite page tha the Bolero has integrated 6 CD changer. Did you expect both?

Stuart I answered one of you questions and you either missed or ignored it. After you complained that nobody had answered it someone quoted my post to you and you either missed or ignored that too.

Perhaps you might like to go back over the responses since your initial post and see what else you missed (I appreciate some of those responses blame you, and not all of them have indeed read your own complaint properly).

If, as stated earlier by others, the brochure states a 6cd 'bolero' is fitted, not a 6cd auto changer, then as soon as a different headunit is mentioned there is no reason to think that it will have identical features - in fact it's pretty much guaranteed that it will be different. I accept that you'd normally expect an 'upgrade' to be better all round but there may well be individual features which are not as good.

I'd also go as far as to say that, regardless of the franchise name above the door, any salesman who states that his customers often know more about his product than he does, shouldn't be given any of your hard earned cash - or at least not unless you have done all of the necessary research yourself. Certainly you shouldn't trust such a salesman to advise you on your purchase.

Edited 1 February, 201313 yr by mr_awol

Stuart, if you are not prepared to read the literature and do the research on the equipment in the first place, and then compound your mistake by not being prepared to listen to facts afterwards, then I am not prepared to waste any more of my time with you or provide reasoned argument. One can only assume that as it has not been stamped in three feet high letters on your forehead at the point of sale (despite you admitting to being told correctly by the dealer) and you are adamant that you are completely fault free and blameless (lets face it, it could never actually be your fault could it?), then you are also the type of person that would happily and ignorantly walk over a cliff edge purely because there is no sign warning you that it would be dangerous to do so. Either that or you are here purely for the purposes of trolling.