what happens if you were to sell the car ..... ?

There appear to be two types of 1.8tsi since the advent of the MkII, as they have different emission outputs, but i'm guessing they both have chain tensioners. Can anyone answer the above categorically?

EA113 and EA888, google them and you should get lots of links.

A S/Hand lump will be a lot less, fit that, if its rough afterwards flog it, you will net more than throwing it away Try these for starters http://www.skospares.com/engines.php Even if they dont have one in stock they can give you an idea of costs etc

Thanks for that, I'll give them a bell.

I to would be mad if this happened to mine whether it was in warranty or not and agree that Skoda should handle these situations better. I think that some of the points being said insinuating that the tsi engine is unreliable are unfounded. Yes there have been a few failures but how many tsi engines have vag produced worldwide from 1.2 through to 2.0litre in various vw, audi, , seat and skoda models. I would hazard a guess that the failure is less than 1%. My mate is an audi tech and has only seen half a dozen failures of this engine.

A 1% in service engine failure rate would be shocking! Suppliers into any car manufacturer are expected to have delivered quality levels of less than 10ppm, and warranty rates of less than 0.05% typically.

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I was trying to make the point that it is a very small amount of engines affected by this issue and therefore the opinions of people saying don't by a petrol vrs because the engine will break is rather extreme.

I sympathise with anyone who has been unfortunate enough to experience this issue but as with all forums people mostly post problems/negatives about a product which can make it out to be more of an issue.

Thanks for that, I'll give them a bell.

There are loads of other salvage yards, google car breakers or car dismantlers or salvage car parts These are a large breaker http://www.hills-car-parts.co.uk/

I always ignore e-mail enquires & just ring up

If you are feeling adventurous It may be cheaper to buy a complete car http://www.copart.co.uk/c2/home.html & E-bay all the bits you dont need ( hope you have a big drive !) Put Skoda in the search & in categories put B & after that C, B is break for parts only, C can be repaired but is considered an uneconomical repair. You could also try D but these will fetch better prices as considered fixable. Unrecorded are cars that werent totalled by an insurance company, usually from fleets or others that only have 3rd party insurance. BEWARE OF WATER damaged cars, there are a lot of those around at the moment & many are totalled because the engine has filled up with water, also avid "mechanical damage" . If you bid ask if it runs

Edited 17 January, 201313 yr by Stuart_J

I was trying to make the point that it is a very small amount of engines affected by this issue and therefore the opinions of people saying don't by a petrol vrs because the engine will break is rather extreme.

I sympathise with anyone who has been unfortunate enough to experience this issue but as with all forums people mostly post problems/negatives about a product which can make it out to be more of an issue.

Totally agree, you can google any car & you will find issues with them, many will be caused by owners neglect / abuse of the car but they will always blame the car. In the end cars have thousands of parts & some will always fail. If you want a car that never breaks down just park it on the drive & look at it

EA113 and EA888, google them and you should get lots of links.

erm, they're both 2.0l lumps, not 1.8.

Totally agree, you can google any car & you will find issues with them, many will be caused by owners neglect / abuse of the car but they will always blame the car. In the end cars have thousands of parts & some will always fail. If you want a car that never breaks down just park it on the drive & look at it

You'd get complaints of rust and seizure then.

You'd get complaints of rust and seizure then.

Bugger, someone else whos never pleased :giggle:

this has been posted in the US Golf forum, may apply here too:

Service Bulletin Number : TB-15-12-01 Date of Bulletin : JUL 23, 2012

NHTSA Item Number : 10045560

Component : ENGINE

Summary :

VOLKSWAGEN: ALL MODELS EXPERIENCE THE TIMING CHAIN SLIPPING, RATTLING NOISES OF THE ENGINE AFTER STARTING, AND ENGINE FAILS TO START. 2008-13 ALL MODELS. *PE

We had a 12 plate octy vrs tsi hire car go tits up today when one of our lads started it,aa came out.........spinning over really quickly & wont start,suspected timing chain issue.....6k on clock....aa man said its the 2nd one this year he has been out to.

Hmmm 62 plate vRS hire car- bet that's never been thrashed,raced or rallied and always looked after. I certainly feel for anyone who has problems but like others I think alot of this is out of context compared to the numbers out there. Only a few years ago we'd have all been in blissfull ignorance as the motor trade kept these things under wraps.

If there was a website www.whatmenneedtobeawareofbeforetheygetmarried.com we'd all be single still!

I thought it might be a good idea to sum up the account of my engine failure and the attitude of Skoda Auto UK relating to my claim. I hope that this might help others that may well have a similar problem as myself and dealings with a company that in my opinion, now feels it has generated enough goodwill over recent years to now stop being reasonable and fair.

Skoda VRS TSI estate, Registered 01/9/2009.

Mileage at time of engine failure - approx 27000

Purchased at 2 months old via private sale with about 2500 on the clock.

The car was recovered to a local Skoda dealer on the morning of the 22/12/2013 after it failed to start. Due to the Christmas period the garage was unable to diagnose the failure until the 28th and after telephoning the workshop manager on the same day was informed that there might have been a "timing jump" and that there was no compression on the cylinders.

On 07/12/2013 the garage removed the head and discovered that the valves had hit the pistons and that a guide mounted on the cylinder head casting had snapped off.

I rang Skoda UK on the 7th explaining my problem with the engine and was given a reference number and was appointed a member of their staff, who was meant to contact me within 72 hours. I have never been contacted by that person. However, on the the afternoon of the 7th I was contacted by someone at Skoda UK who started to explain that I shouldn't have "raised expectations" because I hadn't had the services carried out by a Skoda dealer. I explained that at the time there wasn't a local Skoda dealer and that I had the services carried out by my local VAT registered garage, that I had supplied the correct oil and had purchased the genuine oil filters at my local Volkswagen dealer. Again he continued with a diatribe about expectations and I told him that I thought it was too early for him make assumptions because he hadn't viewed a report or had contact with the garage.

The garage asked me to supply the service receipts which I did, but was unable to supply the receipts for the oil and oil filters, I did however supply a copy of my bank statement showing the debits for the purchases. Halfords and the local VAG dealer were unable to supply copy receipts due to the time scale involved.

On the 15/01/2013 I was contacted by a customer service manager at Skoda and was told emphatically that my claim was not going to be entertained by them and that the cost of the repair was my burden. The reasons he gave were that I hadn't had the services carried out by an approved dealer and that it was considered that I didn't meet their criteria of a brand loyalty customer. The following day I was contacted again by an executive at Skoda UK and given the same explanation for throwing out my claim and that he would be putting this in writing to me.

Edited 17 January, 201313 yr by linelink

Like I said in my previous post I feel for anyone who has something like this happen to them. I've just read your last post and it made me feel depressed, so god knows how you feel. Not much more I can add really.

I guess had the car been serviced by a VAG workshop, then one pillar of their argument is removed. The big point is though that the car was already out of warranty? In principle SKUK owe you nothing, just "goodwill". I kind of understand their position - after all goodwill requires goodwill. Simply buying their car and going somewhere else to maintain it might (in their eyes) not constitute goodwill. This would be pretty easy for a lawyer to argue, not my opinion I hasten to add, just experience.

we have to be careful with these kind of cases that there is a distinction made between "in warranty" and "out of warranty". An exploding engine in warranty should have a different outcome to those outside, after all, Skoda, like all car manufactures and their suppliers who ultimately foot the bill, have a business to run. I guess rules is rules: caveat emptor and all that.

That said, sad to hear your story. Never good when it's win/lose situation.

erm, they're both 2.0l lumps, not 1.8.

Think the 1.8 TSI engines are versions of the EA113 and EA888, the later 1.8 TSI is a stroked 2 litre and I actually prefer it in many ways to the 2 litre due to its higher revving and better fuel consumption.

The new 1.8 TSI are going to be even more awesome with the new Mk 3 chasis accelerates the same as the current TSI VRS!

That was a predictable response

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what was?

I thought it might be a good idea to sum up the account of my engine failure and the attitude of Skoda Auto UK relating to my claim. I hope that this might help others that may well have a similar problem as myself and dealings with a company that in my opinion, now feels it has generated enough goodwill over recent years to now stop being reasonable and fair.

Skoda VRS TSI estate, Registered 01/9/2009.

Mileage at time of engine failure - approx 27000

Purchased at 2 months old via private sale with about 2500 on the clock.

The car was recovered to a local Skoda dealer on the morning of the 22/12/2013 after it failed to start. Due to the Christmas period the garage was unable to diagnose the failure until the 28th and after telephoning the workshop manager on the same day was informed that there might have been a "timing jump" and that there was no compression on the cylinders.

On 07/12/2013 the garage removed the head and discovered that the valves had hit the pistons and that a guide mounted on the cylinder head casting had snapped off.

I rang Skoda UK on the 7th explaining my problem with the engine and was given a reference number and was appointed a member of their staff, who was meant to contact me within 72 hours. I have never been contacted by that person. However, on the the afternoon of the 7th I was contacted by someone at Skoda UK who started to explain that I shouldn't have "raised expectations" because I hadn't had the services carried out by a Skoda dealer. I explained that at the time there wasn't a local Skoda dealer and that I had the services carried out by my local VAT registered garage, that I had supplied the correct oil and had purchased the genuine oil filters at my local Volkswagen dealer. Again he continued with a diatribe about expectations and I told him that I thought it was too early for him make assumptions because he hadn't viewed a report or had contact with the garage.

The garage asked me to supply the service receipts which I did, but was unable to supply the receipts for the oil and oil filters, I did however supply a copy of my bank statement showing the debits for the purchases. Halfords and the local VAG dealer were unable to supply copy receipts due to the time scale involved.

On the 15/01/2013 I was contacted by a customer service manager at Skoda and was told emphatically that my claim was not going to be entertained by them and that the cost of the repair was my burden. The reasons he gave were that I hadn't had the services carried out by an approved dealer and that it was considered that I didn't meet their criteria of a brand loyalty customer. The following day I was contacted again by an executive at Skoda UK and given the same explanation for throwing out my claim and that he would be putting this in writing to me.

who was the "Executive"?

hope it wasnt Mark Fox i could happily knock seven bells of shi-t out him.

who was the "Executive"?

hope it wasnt Mark Fox i could happily knock seven bells of shi-t out him.

Don't remember and didn't write it down. I'll know if I get the letter he promised.

What was the outcome, or at least latest status of this?

What was the outcome, or at least latest status of this?

The outcome was Skoda have made a goodwill payment of 40% towards the cost of repair. My bill will be about £3400. Although the new engine will have a another 36 months warranty. I will probably sell the car when it has been repaired as I'm due for a change now. So if anyone here's interested let me know.

The outcome was Skoda have made a goodwill payment of 40% towards the cost of repair. My bill will be about £3400. Although the new engine will have a another 36 months warranty. I will probably sell the car when it has been repaired as I'm due for a change now. So if anyone here's interested let me know.

Well done mate at least you got that. What made them cough up in the end?