Is the TSI oil level meant to be checked hot or cold?

I do both. Stone cold and 15 mins after stopped having had the oil at the working temp. My oil level is the same cold and hot. George and others find cold level much higher than hot. Looks like CTHE motors have different design in this respect or mine is a mutant . What I found following oil drop and refill with 3.6 ltr as per manual is the correct level is 2-3 mm below the top of the hatched area and not as per manual.

Below is a pic of a VW Owners manual which reads slightly different from the Skoda one.

Same thing for the 132kW engine tho vRS or Polo GTI.

(The Skoda Owners Manual Suffers from bad Tanslation to English IMO)

'Check oil level once up to operating temperature',

'normal running/operating temperature' is not the 5 minutes sitting idling that many Techs do,

Its going to take several miles to get to 50*oC,

i check hot after the cars been up to over 80*oC and stopped for 5 minutes..

(Obviously when you know the level with the correct oil in and checked cold,

and the level of that oil when hot, you should know where 3.6 litres of oil in the engine shows on the stick hot checked or cold.)

*The thing is when i check twinchargers 'cold' with the correct amount of oil in,

the oil is off the scale and at the top orange marker,

at least you know there is oil in, without having to start the engine.*

Be aware that some Dealerships may put in too much oil,

ie 3.9 litres as in some of the other Fabia Engines.

(this dipstick picture was put up by a member here that had a new engine fitted, and thats what he got with a cold dip.

sadly never heard from him again about the outcome.)

That was a crazy amount of oil to put in, whoever did it.

Simply, if anyone with a Twincharger can be bothered.

Dip the oil cold today before starting the engine and let us know where the oil is on the dipstck.

Disagree. It is a high performance motor, it was designed to output 128 bhp/litre of swept volume. To put it into perspective the fire breathing monster of an M3 producing 414bhp from 3999cc produces a meager 103.5 bhp/litre of swept volume...

ANY engine if not taken through its paces on regular basis will coke up and will be down on performance. Those deposits usually lead to higher oil consumption eventually. If you bought a vRS and are not willing to run it as she needs to be run then I dare say you bought a wrong car. 1.6 105PS diesels are excellent as many members will testify here . Believe it or not it even be mapped .

Petrols are not well suited to steady driving by the sheer nature of them. Petrol injectors work ar 2-4PSi where diesels run at 2000PSi! Easy to to keep the diesel ones clean. Diesels run extremely lean in cruise mode and petrols are not able to unless Stratified Injection is used, which complicates intake manifold desing - Geroge linked to threads where vacuum actuator fails and whole manifold has to be replaced.

I never thrash my car either, I just drive it the way it was designed to be driven

Completely agree with this, and previous points.

Not that it's the same engineered wise, as it is a cheap setup and design however I had a 2007 Mini Cooper which were fitted with 1.6ltr turbocharged units, shared with Peugeots 207 gti and it used to go through stages where it would be fine some days and problematic on others.

With the only difference between the two models 150&175bhp, Minis are renowned for having issues of rattling timing chains due to the oil filled chain tension not operating correctly, and the heavy consumption of oil.

In 2 years of ownership, it went through a staggering 23 litres of Mobil 1 ESP 5W-30. And on occasions where it sat for a few days it ran like a barrel of nails, falling down a flight of stairs with occasions of it running limp until it blew out black reek, where it then started to go like a stabbed rat.

Disagree. It is a high performance motor, it was designed to output 128 bhp/litre of swept volume. To put it into perspective the fire breathing monster of an M3 producing 414bhp from 3999cc produces a meager 103.5 bhp/litre of swept volume...

ANY engine if not taken through its paces on regular basis will coke up and will be down on performance. Those deposits usually lead to higher oil consumption eventually. If you bought a vRS and are not willing to run it as she needs to be run then I dare say you bought a wrong car. 1.6 105PS diesels are excellent as many members will testify here . Believe it or not it even be mapped .

Petrols are not well suited to steady driving by the sheer nature of them. Petrol injectors work ar 2-4PSi where diesels run at 2000PSi! Easy to to keep the diesel ones clean. Diesels run extremely lean in cruise mode and petrols are not able to unless Stratified Injection is used, which complicates intake manifold desing - Geroge linked to threads where vacuum actuator fails and whole manifold has to be replaced.

I never thrash my car either, I just drive it the way it was designed to be driven

Are you not getting confused with psi and bar?

Plenty of other engines produce a lot of hp per litre , the Evo for example even a stock one produces 160hp per litre , the dealer specials got to 200hp a litre , when modified many engines get to 500+hp per litre so its not just that its the coupling the high performance with low emissions where they are tripping up i reckon

Funnily enough the Evo 4 had issues with crankwalk as well

Well spotted, if t was PSI it would sucking the air in as it's about 0.28 bar lol. With amount of horses per ltr the point was that nothing comes for free so to speak and if you extracting so much power from so little volume (I wonder what's VE at max throttle-150%?) the are prices to pay or certain things have to be done in certain ways...

500bhp/ltr? Why not? Dragsters pull up to 800bhp per litre but at what cost? Engine needs a complete rebuild after each run and after 5 runs all parts have been changed 1-5 times. Not to mention exotic materials tech etc. we talking here normal, everyday driver, some even term a warm hatch .

I used to have a 700hp dyno plot from a street legal Hayabusa on my pc which i cant find ....boo!

400hp Evos seem pretty reliable , I never used to top the oil up on mine between service and didnt have issues with coil packs or injectors or plugs the 5,6,7,8 and 9 are reasonable but the 10 seems more fragile breaking conrods even at stock power levels. Bikes have been there for years , ok they dont make the torque but 150hp per litre normally aspirated is commonplace

It can be done and it can be done reliably but the question is can it be done reliably, cleanly and most importantly at a cost??

I think you can do it if you do it properly. But that I mean not just take the ECU out of the car, burn new map on , and put it back in...

Bikes are a different kettle of fish all together, at such revs you need precision engineering or it will rattle itself apart .

If you think about it 4 pots are not that demanding, they only pump at 3,5k revs/min. I managed to get a single pot honda OHV kart engine to spin at 6,75k rpm/min with basic cam work, 11Deg ignition advance and some good head and valve work . Comptetion prepped ones spin 9000/min - that's F1 rpms translated to four pot motor .

How did you tune your own motors?

My Vrs is away in for its second oil test after I got skoda uk involved! Have a wee Monte Carlo diesel at the mo and am thinking I should have went for it instead :-(

What happened with the rear suspension noise, was that sorted?

 

george

What happened with the rear suspension noise, was that sorted?

george

It just stopped but I have noticed if I go over the suspension busting sleeping policemen you can still faintly hear it, so I decided live with it rather than the hassle of going though the process to find out what it was!

With its standard set-up, the VRS engine is about at its useful limit.

My REVO map has been off for 3 months now. Since then, it's NEVER misfired, lost power, hiccuped etc. In fact, because it's running smooth throughout the rev range right to the red line, it's probably quicker than with the map on. Don't forget, the gains are about 10% and not worth the headache .....

Mine's still using oil though. I'm just topping it up when needed. If Skoda think that I'm going to do a 30 mile round trip all the time to have the engine checked, oil weighed and logs scrutinised, then they can take a long walk off a short pier. 

Edited 24 July, 201312 yr by jonny boy

You have invalidated the warranty on the engine and probably the chance of a replacement engine anyway from having had the re-map, even if no longer on the ECU,

so really no point in having them checking the oil use, just a case of having to top it up now.

 

george

You have invalidated the warranty on the engine and probably the chance of a replacement engine anyway from having had the re-map, even if no longer on the ECU,

so really no point in having them checking the oil use, just a case of having to top it up now.

 

george

Invalidated the warranty ?

Skoda technical contacted me direct to apologise about the issues I had had as the REVO software was being offered at certain Skoda dealerships when I bought my car. They knew (and have always) that my car had been re-mapped by REVO. They even apologised about the fact that the software would have to be removed for them "to carry out further diagnoistic tests"

Sorry, it's been in the dealers over 10 times (excluding servicing) for one matter or another, one a potential fire issue.

It's been my decision not to pursue the offer from Skoda, which is to have the oil loss monitored with the view of an almost certain engine replacement. Their own words, not mine. 

It runs fine, and has done since the software was overwritten at the last service. 

Next year the car will be replaced.

That is good then if you know that Skoda accept that the engine was re-mapped, and they would still cover it for full warranty if the engine needed replacing.

 

It was Dealers offering the REVO remap and covering the Warranty though, not Skoda offering them.

But if they are happy, then that must be good for many that have had re-maps done,

http://www.revotechnik.com/faq

it is especially good when someone has had a REVO map done by someone other than a Skoda Dealership.

http://www.skoda.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/Brochures/Warranty-Booklet-Single.pdf

'See Exclusions'.

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/227011-spark-plug-change-vrs-stage-1

 

george

Right got my second oil test done and got told its with in tolerance :-(. So reset the trip counter did 350 miles, checked oil level, near off dip stick, drove straight into the dealers and said look at that. They took it in straight away to see how much oil had been used (450ml) and agreed it was def not right so have sent off to skoda UK to say this is def a problem so fingers crossed something gets done now :-)

Please ask them next time, 

'if the Tolerances they speak of is 0.5 litres of oil used in 1000km (621 miles)' ?,

Ask them to show you the Skoda Technical Document that says that is an acceptable oil consumption for a 1.4 TSI CAVE or CTHE Engine..

(not just to show you something printed in a Fabia Owners Manual.)

 

Is their 'Oil Test', Draining, fitting a new filter and filled with new measured and weighed oil,

a Dynamic Test done driving the car and the oil dropped and weighed?

How many miles did they do testing the Oil Usage?

 

george

Please ask them next time,

'if the Tolerances they speak of is 0.5 litres of oil used in 1000km (621 miles)' ?,

Ask them to show you the Skoda Technical Document that says that is an acceptable oil consumption for a 1.4 TSI CAVE or CTHE Engine..

(not just to show you something printed in a Fabia Owners Manual.)

Is their 'Oil Test', Draining, fitting a new filter and filled with new measured and weighed oil,

a Dynamic Test done driving the car and the oil dropped and weighed?

How many miles did they do testing the Oil Usage?

george

They told me 0.5ml per 600miles. To be fair the garage has always been behind me but they are being told by skoda uk what to do and say. At least now I have proof as I took pictures when collected after oil test and then yesterday when I brought it in. They did a 120 mile oil test twice but I have noticed it uses oil quicker as the miles go on, ain't got a clue why! I have checked it at 100 mile before and not a drop used but when I check it at 200 the 300 it uses more and more each time.

Is it a CTHE with around 5000 miles on it?

They told me 0.5ml per 600miles. To be fair the garage has always been behind me but they are being told by skoda uk what to do and say. At least now I have proof as I took pictures when collected after oil test and then yesterday when I brought it in. They did a 120 mile oil test twice but I have noticed it uses oil quicker as the miles go on, ain't got a clue why! I have checked it at 100 mile before and not a drop used but when I check it at 200 the 300 it uses more and more each time.

 

To be honest, as long as it's not drinking oil, personally I would just top it up.

It's a well known fact that this engine uses oil and has had many issues relating to that, but you'll end up hating the car (as I nearly did) as you go back & forth to the dealers, then they go back & forth to Skoda who go back & forth to VW for the official opinion and eventual warranty decision.

 

That's not saying you ignore the usage, only you know your tolerance level (mine is low) but my car is using a 'normal' amount of oil now to be honest.

The car will be gone next year. Overall, bar the oil consumption and several other faults, it's been a good car.

 

The engine & gearbox combination is nothing short of fantastic and has completely converted me to DSG over a manual. Awesome. 

Is it a CTHE with around 5000 miles on it?

CTHE with 8500 miles

My oil consumption become unacceptably high after 9k miles when I was averaging 670 km per 0.5 litre of oil.

Then I had the oil  breather mod and consumption only got higher. I was then down to 480 km per 0.5 litre by 12.5k miles. Replacement engine followed.

Edited 8 August, 201312 yr by Big Sheep

To be honest, as long as it's not drinking oil, personally I would just top it up.

It's a well known fact that this engine uses oil and has had many issues relating to that, but you'll end up hating the car (as I nearly did) as you go back & forth to the dealers, then they go back & forth to Skoda who go back & forth to VW for the official opinion and eventual warranty decision.

That's not saying you ignore the usage, only you know your tolerance level (mine is low) but my car is using a 'normal' amount of oil now to be honest.

The car will be gone next year. Overall, bar the oil consumption and several other faults, it's been a good car.

The engine & gearbox combination is nothing short of fantastic and has completely converted me to DSG over a manual. Awesome.

Mind is a company car and I'm doing 1500 miles per month so gets abit grating topping it up 4-5 times every month and also it's a lot of oil to buy! Apart from this I love the car and can't say anything bad about it :-)

Get the Oil free from Skoda untill its fixed, they do that,

& if you have receipts get the money back on the oil already bought over and above,

it should only have needed 1 litre for every 1200 miles if thats what they want to try and say is acceptable useage.

 

If they think a user doing 12,000 miles a years should pay £80 or so a year for oil between services they are really taking the michael.

 

george