Vrs bored

[Ootohere]

Lee,

£24,000 and a drop to readily available for £8,000 now. & thats Asking Prices not what you can get them for..

I would not get rid of it either with that much spent on it.

 

It makes me wonder about all, the stuff on £15,000 cars with possible problems 2 1/2-3 years old & getting only £9,000-£10,000 offers .

Each to their own on how much fun or value they get from the cars they drive.

 

george

 

EDIT, PS,

vRSy , there are Demo Cars sitting now and going to be sold at 3 months old, fully specced up,

& these will be available at a decent discount,

probably not a discount and involving Finance though.

 

They are never happy to drop anything if they can sell, and someone buys. They are not a charity.

Once they can not sell, you get them to part with it, for what they make a slight profit at. 

They got their Demonstrators Cheap enough. 

[vRSy]

I was being sensible and looking at a big spacious and economical Skoda.  If the wife said lets look at that Focus RS again, who am i to argue lol

[Ootohere]

I know exactly about 3 or 4 year deals.

This week sitting with a family member.

Audi S5 Sportback Blackline Edition, 333ps S-tronic. Not Available for build till January.

So one in Stock Unregestered.

 

£43,000, plus the extras on it, Silver Black Seats, B&O, 7 Arm Alloys, Front and back sensors.Sat Nav, £1,600 !!, TPMS, Hill Hold!! They take the mick on Extras.

Audi to put in £1,700 of the price.

 

So £5500 deposit, £576 a month for 48 months, & a £60 arrangement fee to keep.  Based on Value in 4 years £19,000..

 

So £46,000 (£47,700 with Audis £1700) car to drive away and £33,148 over 4 years to have the enjoyment of driving it.

or £22 a day plus Insurance, VED & Servicing. so under £30 say. then fuel.

You pays your money and make your choices.

 

I then found one the same spec, but a 13 plate with 15 miles & it can be had for £42,000

 

george

[logiclee]

Lee,

£24,000 and a drop to readily available for £8,000 now. & thats Asking Prices not what you can get them for..

I would not get rid of it either with that much spent on it.

 

 

At 3 years old I was offered £9200 from we buy any car after they had taken there fees off or £10500 trade in against another VW after a negotiated 16% discount.

 

It has slightly higher mileage than standard but is high spec.

Current VW forecourt prices for my car is between £11.5k and £13k. Back in July they were higher so there was still a good profit to be had by the dealer.

 

So that's £13500 depreciation for 40k miles which isn't bad at all I don't think. Especially if Skoda are quoting £15500 depreciation on a 3 year old 30k mile Octy vRS.

Edited 7 September, 2013 by logiclee

[Ootohere]

BMW were having a wee visit to Scotland this weekend, they brought the new models.

Just a few pics of something that many might never get bored of.

 

http://slashgear.com/bmw-m5-nighthawk-cranks-m5-up-crazy-11290003

(not a Nighthawk)

[Furbytom]

That M5 is pure car-porn!

[lol-lol]

That M5 is pure car-porn!

 

 

 

Bit of a shame that it lost a couple of cylinders and has gone down the sound generator route which many of us have a pet hate of.

 

It is just the way things are going but the old naturally aspirated M3 and M5 and particularly the R8 and Lambos, Bentley, Veyron sound better with the more cylinders and it is a great shame these engines will soon be consigned to history as the move to less cylinders and electrical assisted drive. Such is progress.

 

Neighbour has just put a Honda Intergra on his drive with its 9K rev limit, wow. 

[Furbytom]

Bit of a shame that it lost a couple of cylinders and has gone down the sound generator route which many of us have a pet hate of.

 

It is just the way things are going but the old naturally aspirated M3 and M5 and particularly the R8 and Lambos, Bentley, Veyron sound better with the more cylinders and it is a great shame these engines will soon be consigned to history as the move to less cylinders and electrical assisted drive. Such is progress.

 

Neighbour has just put a Honda Intergra on his drive with its 9K rev limit, wow.

I know exactly what you mean mate, not a fan of the idea of sound generators. With new cars becoming increasingly refined/insulated it seems manufacturers are increasingly going down this route in order to get some noise into the cabin when required.

[pipsyp]

Trust me if youve been in an M135i and have heard what it sounds like being punched in Sport + mode you'll not have a bad word to say about sound symphosing;just massages an already amazing sound.

The technology is not a bad idea, I think the execution of it is a bit naff in some cases, not in the case of the BM's though.

Furbytom I somewhat do not blame you swerving the M135i though, driven as nature intended (which yoy'd have to do a fair bit) it will not be an economical car, 120d a very good and wise choice.

Edited 22 September, 2013 by pipsyp

[PDIBK]

Now, have I misunderstood, but aren't the buy back offers the guaranteed value? And if the model holds value, you get more?

Or is it the value you get, no matter what?

I'm pretty sure the salesman explained it like that to me last time I looked. Guaranteed value was what the figures are based on, but you could end up getting more, which suits if you're trading it in rather than getting rid to clear the finance remaining...

[vRSy]

Buy back is typically the minimum you will get, so even if you are in negative equity with the value of the car you will still get that minimum buy back sale, but as you say, if the value of the car is actually more than the minimum buyback then you will get the market value

[Furbytom]

Trust me if youve been in an M135i and have heard what it sounds like being punched in Sport + mode you'll not have a bad word to say about sound symphosing;just massages an already amazing sound.

The technology is not a bad idea, I think the execution of it is a bit naff in some cases, not in the case of the BM's though.

Furbytom I somewhat do not blame you swerving the M135i though, driven as nature intended (which yoy'd have to do a fair bit) it will not be an economical car, 120d a very good and wise choice.

Yeah it was the mpg that put me off the M135i. On my first test drive giving it the beans I managed 18.5mpg and on my second driving normally I could only get 21.9 mpg. Range of 59 miles with the needle on quarter tank is not a good look!

It might be able to manage low 30s if you drive everywhere like Miss Daisy but what would be the point in that!? I just know I'd be opening it up whenever possible and of course it's still going to drink like a 3.0 straight-six turbo will under those conditions!

I was very anti-sound symposers in general before I drove the m135i. Didn't think about it once on the actual drive! There are of course a few people over on the M135i forum who hate it. Those that have disconnected it have reported the car sounds very quiet with no lovely 6-cyl noise as the car cabin is generally so refined and well insulated from external noise.

I don't mind the idea of a sound symposer to beef up what the engine naturally sounds like -its poorly executed fakery I.e petrol-style noise in a diesel car which really turns me off!

[logiclee]

Yeah it was the mpg that put me off the M135i. On my first test drive giving it the beans I managed 18.5mpg and on my second driving normally I could only get 21.9 mpg. Range of 59 miles with the needle on quarter tank is not a good look!

It might be able to manage low 30s if you drive everywhere like Miss Daisy but what would be the point in that!? I just know I'd be opening it up whenever possible and of course it's still going to drink like a 3.0 straight-six turbo will under those conditions!

I was very anti-sound symposers in general before I drove the m135i. Didn't think about it once on the actual drive! There are of course a few people over on the M135i forum who hate it. Those that have disconnected it have reported the car sounds very quiet with no lovely 6-cyl noise as the car cabin is generally so refined and well insulated from external noise.

I don't mind the idea of a sound symposer to beef up what the engine naturally sounds like -its poorly executed fakery I.e petrol-style noise in a diesel car which really turns me off!

 

BMW haven't said much about the M135i but they have said more about the M5. Basically the new the F series cars are so well insulated that the deeper bass notes of the engine and exhaust are filtered out of the cabin (Removes wind and tyre noise too). And on the new twin scroll turbo units you loose the top end howl. So the symposer was designed to add these frequencies back into the cabin. It's not a recording, it's frequencies added by BMW sound engineers to make the engine sound as it should from the inside.

Some don't like it but you wouldn't know if no one had told you,  it is that good. Even Chris Harris said the sound is epic even though some of it isn't real.

 

Cheers

Lee

[Sparkly]

Hi Guys, I'm new to the site but was looking for a BMW 1 series forum, I just googled BMW 1 series and this thread came up. Surprised really as it came up in the mk2 Fabia section of that Brisk Skoda Forum.

You guys want to strap on you lederhosen on and take your Bavarian love-fest elsewhere?

[Furbytom]

Haha love it! Most folk on here are secret BMW fans lol!

This is the best 1 series forum by far:

http://www.babybmw.net/

[Sparkly]

My engine may have been built in Germany but the above comment still stands, lol

[lol-lol]

Haha love it! Most folk on here are secret BMW fans lol!

This is the best 1 series forum by far:

http://www.babybmw.net/

 

I think most car nuts admire German cars as it seems to be their national talent to build cars.

 

BMW and BMW drivers get bad press as the choice of bankers and drug dealer and Jeremy Clarkson remark of Nazi Staff cars (wrongly as Hitler used Mercs of course and supported Ferdinand Porsche and the creation of VW).

 

Germans are simply making the best product they can for the most profit.

 

Like the M3 and M5 and the Efficient Dynamics raised the bar but a part from these high points I am Skoda fan through and through and the relationship with VAG and it is a shame BMW have not done similar to this or what Renault have done with bases out of German except for South Africa Of course where BMW did build much of the UK 3 series but I think that has finished now and the ZA plant build for other markets now.   

[JHP-VRS]

Just to update my origional post, the mk2 fabia vrs has gone and in its place I have a seat Leon cupra r. I was going to have the new octy vrs but went to vw to test a golf gti... which wasn't available when I went, so they showed me the cupra r and after a test drive I decided to go for it!

The main thing for me is no dsg because that was the main part making me bored of the fabia! And it's got all the toys I wanted ie leather, cruise control, sat nav and it goes like stink!

I think I will miss the fabia and Skoda ownership as generally it's been good, but at least I'm still in the same group kinda!

:-)

[Brian69]

Although I'm perfectly happy with the car after 2 years of ownership, I've thought about it a couple of times. The thing is, If I was to spend some cash again I could only justify it by going to significantly higher horsepower and performance. I don't see the point in losing say 10-15k by trading my vrs for say a GT86 / Golf GTI / Octavia vRS / Focus RS just to go around 220-250hp and get practically just a little more real-life performance, so most cars already mentioned in this thread are already ruled out from me.

What I would like is the new M135i though. Performance/handling wise it's only a step behind that 1M beast, but at the same time way more practical and comfortable for everyday use which is what my car should primarily be about. Plus I'm betting there's some potential in that 2.9l engine. Of course, at something around 2.5 times the price of the vRS it's not exactly a direct comparison...

I would love an M135i - if I could actually use my garage (people keep inconsiderately parking in front of it) and didn't use a car mainly to go to Sainsbury's I'd seriously consider one.

I'm happy enough with my vRS - as XK140 says it's a cheap runabout. It's the height of luxury in comparison to my MKI - which I also liked but got fed up with it leaking like a colander (very tiresome in Glasgow where it rains occasionally) - funnily enough, Skoda denied leaking rear doors were ever an issue...

[newbie69]

I would love an M135i - if I could actually use my garage (people keep inconsiderately parking in front of it) and didn't use a car mainly to go to Sainsbury's I'd seriously consider one.

I'm happy enough with my vRS - as XK140 says it's a cheap runabout. It's the height of luxury in comparison to my MKI - which I also liked but got fed up with it leaking like a colander (very tiresome in Glasgow where it rains occasionally) - funnily enough, Skoda denied leaking rear doors were ever an issue...

 

 

True. I mean many are excited at the thought of owning such a car but in the end, do we have the time or even do the mileage needed to properly enjoy it? With my commute having diminished to a mere 4 KM back and forth I've even started questioning the reason to own a vRS... However, a vRS isn't anywhere as expensive to acquire and run so my thoughts stop right there, but If I had paid circa 50K euros for a 135M and mainly did trips that ended before the water temperature gauge had even moved as I do lately, I think I would be regretting it every moment. Sometimes I envy the guys that have to do a 45 minute drive on highway to get to work...

 

Funnily though, I am more than ever tempted to go for that Stage 1 remap when the weather gets warmer. I guess I'm seeing it as a "reward" to myself for being reasonable and deciding to reject buying a way more expensive and powerful car for the above reasons. 

 

Yes it's contraddicting but you know...

Edited 31 January, 2014 by newbie69

[Brian69]

Aye - at least the vRS is easy on the juice, servicing is very reasonable and cheap to insure.

[JHP-VRS]

This is the car I got to replace my vrs.

It's a seat Leon cupra r 265bhp

So far I'm really pleased with it, lots of fun to drive and not too bad on fuel. I do miss the vrs but glad I changed it.

Here's one of my last pics of the vrs. Getting a good run!