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So maybe not commenting at all would have been useful

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2010 berlingo new shape van. New abs ecu required at 21000 miles. Citroen wouldnt cover it as it was outwith the warranty period. Apparently the abs ecu is in the wing (engine side) so puddles splash into it (great design)

2011 berlingo new shape van. Never right from day 1. Vibrated and knocked over bumps. Went to citroen 3 times before it got fixed. The shock absorber had a manufacturing fault. Citroen wouldn't accept this and said it was wear and tear even though it was like that from day 1

Better?

My nan bought herself a nice little 12 plate C1 brand new, which due to age related health/sight issues she never really got to drive.  It was given to my sister.

 

Most unreliable and dangerous car ive ever come across.

 

Was constantly back with Citroen for all sorts of electrical and mechanical faults, bolts and bits falling out from behind the dash etc..

 

After 3-4000 miles the brakes started to fail,  again forwards and backwards to Citroen who tried claiming it was normal and never managed to fully fix it.

 

After a few months fearing for her life she traded it for a 13 plate Seat Ibiza.

 

Only problem since was a puncture.

 

 

edit to add:  washed it once or twice for her, had to be gentle as many of the body panels are rather er.. flexible  :giggle:

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2010 berlingo new shape van. New abs ecu required at 21000 miles. Citroen wouldnt cover it as it was outwith the warranty period. Apparently the abs ecu is in the wing (engine side) so puddles splash into it (great design)

2011 berlingo new shape van. Never right from day 1. Vibrated and knocked over bumps. Went to citroen 3 times before it got fixed. The shock absorber had a manufacturing fault. Citroen wouldn't accept this and said it was wear and tear even though it was like that from day 1

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Fair point, the new ones are a bit fragile. They're also amazingly easy to nearly put in reverse when you forget they haven't got 6 gears.

 

The old ones are much better, ours were all 57 plates.

Fair point, the new ones are a bit fragile. They're also amazingly easy to nearly put in reverse when you forget they haven't got 6 gears.

The old ones are much better, ours were all 57 plates.

The new ones are shocking

They wear out the rear tyres twice as fast as the fronts.

Also feel very skittish on the road, the older ones have a more comfortable seating postition and the handling is 10 times better, high winds in the newer ones and a new set of pants are required

Over the years, between me and the missus, we've owned four French cars all of them Peugeots.

1. Peugeot 107 1.1 which my wife bought new in 1996. A cracking little car which was nippy, economical and reliable.

2. Peugeot 306 diesel, 1998 model. Bought after our first daughter arrived and we needed a bit more space. Again, another cracking car which was a piece of cake to service and never let us down. When we sold it, it was bought by someone local to us and was often seen out and about until last year.

3. Peugeot 406 2.2 diesel Executive (2002 model). A fantastic car with every conceivable extra. Leather heated / electric seats, sat nav, climate control etc. Loved this car and again, so reliable and never let us down. Traded it in for a Mazda 6 diesel estate which turned out to be one of the worst cars I've ever owned. Fuel pump failed (common apparently) and rear wheel arches rusted like an old Austin Allegro, again very common.

4. Peugeot 309 diesel. (1991 model). I was in need of a second car after changing jobs. Bought this off a mate and again was very reliable and economical. It was the non turbo engine, so was a bit like driving a tractor! Sold it to a mate and it had over 280k miles on it when he sold it on. Again, a piece of cake to service.

Recently, I was given a Peugeot 508 diesel estate hire car to use for work. A barge of a car but was impressed with the engine which was surprisingly smooth and agile for such a big car. The only thing that let it down was a clip on the load cover in the boot had snapped off, but then again the way some people treat hire cars it's hardly surprising.

I can only speak from experience, which as you can see from the above is very positive. Would I have another? Probably not, as I find the build quality of Skoda superior in many respects and the cockpit a nicer place to be.

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4. Peugeot 309 diesel. (1991 model). I was in need of a second car after changing jobs. Bought this off a mate and again was very reliable and economical. It was the non turbo engine, so was a bit like driving a tractor! Sold it to a mate and it had over 280k miles on it when he sold it on. Again, a piece of cake to service.

 

 

That reminded me of my mate's 205 diesel he had through uni and for a bit afterwards. We took it for an MOT. The guy walked up to it, wrote the reg down, looked in, wrote the mileage down and opened the bonnet, stuck his head under the bonnet, then looked at his pad and went back inside. 

 

"What the hell do you do for a living? Repairman for NASA?" Like your 309, it was on the best part of 300k. 

 

Admittedly, it was the recipient of one of the longest fail sheets I've ever seen, except it sailed through the smoke test. 

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