Taken from the highway code under the section using the road, "169

Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass."

Are we talking about tractors and hgvs now then?

I thought we were talking about their being an absence of "fast" drivers on the roads. Strange how the discussion shifts from the sensationalist title all of a sudden.

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Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, slowing down if necessary to let the vehicle pass. Never obstruct drivers who wish to pass. Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous. Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.

Slightly amended it

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Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, do not slow down to let the vehicle pass. Obstruct drivers who wish to pass. You may Speed up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you. Do not drop back to maintain a two-second gap. If someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you flash your lights and tailgate them.

Edited 3 February, 201412 yr by BigJase88

Slightly amended it for the 40mph brigade

168

Being overtaken. If a driver is trying to overtake you, maintain a steady course and speed, do not slow down to let the vehicle pass. Obstruct drivers who wish to pass. You may Speed up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you. Do not drop back to maintain a two-second gap. If someone overtakes and manages to pull into the gap in front of you flash your lights and tailgate them.

This has nothing to do with her op which was ...

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ont know why after 7 years of doing the road in question (A171 Whitby to Middlesbrough) its suddenly hit to me today, why am i always the quickest moving thing on there, regardless of what car im in.

Today especially, i must of overtaken a good 8-9 cars all putterling along, big beamers, Merc's, Audi's ect ect ive even overtaken Aston's, Porshes, M- power BMW's...why bother wasting your money on something with a big engine and not bother taking it over 3,000 RPM? I don't tear along it like there's no tomorrow but i enjoy my car.

I do the road around 3-4 times a week and some times more so yes i do know the road well and admittedly some people might not know it at all but i think i can count on one hand over the 7 years how many times iv actually had a challenge. The UK's attitude to driving is so dull..you should all be in G-wizz'es. Appreciate maybe at time they want to have a steady drive but it seems everyone wants to do this..all day every day :/

My first time in Germany we got challenged by a pensioner in an mid sized A4..this is what i like! Make the roads enjoyable!

I dont think theres any point to this thread other then a good moan but it made me feel better

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She only started going on about the mythical 40mph brigade 8 posts in when she got criticism for her attitude in the opening post.

As I said , the tone of the opening post is at best immature and at worst dangerous. It implies a racing on the roads attitude and a desire to challenge or push other road users.

Saying so does not mean I condone anybody intentionally driving 20mph under the speed limit or holding anybody else up so I'd love to know where you hit that from!

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Pease keep this civil folks, no need to argue yourselves round in circles.

This has nothing to do with her op which was ...

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ont know why after 7 years of doing the road in question (A171 Whitby to Middlesbrough) its suddenly hit to me today, why am i always the quickest moving thing on there, regardless of what car im in.

Today especially, i must of overtaken a good 8-9 cars all putterling along, big beamers, Merc's, Audi's ect ect ive even overtaken Aston's, Porshes, M- power BMW's...why bother wasting your money on something with a big engine and not bother taking it over 3,000 RPM? I don't tear along it like there's no tomorrow but i enjoy my car.

I do the road around 3-4 times a week and some times more so yes i do know the road well and admittedly some people might not know it at all but i think i can count on one hand over the 7 years how many times iv actually had a challenge. The UK's attitude to driving is so dull..you should all be in G-wizz'es. Appreciate maybe at time they want to have a steady drive but it seems everyone wants to do this..all day every day :/

My first time in Germany we got challenged by a pensioner in an mid sized A4..this is what i like! Make the roads enjoyable!

I dont think theres any point to this thread other then a good moan but it made me feel better

"...............

She only started going on about the mythical 40mph brigade 8 posts in when she got criticism for her attitude in the opening post.

As I said , the tone of the opening post is at best immature and at worst dangerous. It implies a racing on the roads attitude and a desire to challenge or push other road users.

Saying so does not mean I condone anybody intentionally driving 20mph under the speed limit or holding anybody else up so I'd love to know where you hit that from!

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Grow up.  Read the thread properly.

#RoadCaptain

Edited 3 February, 201412 yr by BigJase88

Are we talking about tractors and hgvs now then?

I thought we were talking about their being an absence of "fast" drivers on the roads. Strange how the discussion shifts from the sensationalist title all of a sudden.

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No mention of tractors and HGVs in this quote? 

 

Taken from the highway code under the section using the road, "169

Do not hold up a long queue of traffic, especially if you are driving a large or slow-moving vehicle. Check your mirrors frequently, and if necessary, pull in where it is safe and let traffic pass."

 

 

Notice the emphasis on ESPECIALLY....ie, not limited to....

 

 

Also FYI:

 

144

You MUST NOT

• drive dangerously
• drive without due care and attention
• drive without reasonable consideration for other road users.

  Law RTA 1988 sects 2 & 3 as amended by RTA 1991

This link also sums this thread up nicely:

http://www.speedlimit.org.uk/art_slowdrive.html

 

Slow Driving and Safe Driving

Paul Ripley explains how driving too slowly can be just as dangerous and antisocial as excessive speed

 

There is no need to feel guilty for driving at less than the speed limit if that is what safety requires, and I would never condemn anyone for doing so; indeed, I have frequently pointed out that speed limits represent a maximum, not a safe speed for all conditions.

Excessive speed is a causal factor in relatively few accidents (less than 10 per cent). Nevertheless, crude or not, speed limits save lives, and nobody in their right mind would argue against their sensible application. Irrespective of what limit is attached to a particular section of road, and whether it is sensible or not, we all have a duty to drive legally and, more importantly, safely.

Like other responsible drivers, I may choose to drive below a given speed limit if it isn't safe to proceed any quicker. But this requires judgment. To drive along a motorway at 30mph in good conditions because I didn't want to go any faster would not be a safe thing to do.

Similarly, if you drive at 40mph in a 50mph zone when there is no justification for such caution, you should not be surprised if a queue of drivers builds up behind you. And at that point you should take their rights and feelings into account as well as your own. How would you feel if you were held up by someone who shared your philosophy, but regarded 20mph as the ideal speed?

We all have to share the available road space, and to do so safely requires co-operation, courtesy and compassion. Yet some motorists don't seem to understand the effect they have on others. Persistent dawdling and/or obstruction can wreak havoc on the tempers of following drivers who lack a masters degree in patience, and their increasingly desperate attempts to overtake can be highly dangerous.

It is foolish of them to take risks, but the slowcoach at the head of the procession must share some of the responsibility for allowing the situation to arise. We are dealing with humans, not robots.

It is said of some drivers that thay have never have had an accident but have caused hundreds, and there is an element of truth in that stereotype. It is certainly hard to believe that the many drivers who travel everywhere at a steady 40mph - 20mph below the speed limit on the open road, but 10mph above the limit in villages and towns - are safer than those who vary their speed according to the prevailing conditions and the posted limit.

Try to ensure that when you drive below the limit you do so for a good and justifiable reason and not because you are unaware of the needs of others or get some kind of kick out of imposing your philosophy on them. If you really don't feel comfortable at a higher speed, allow following drivers to overtake you, as The Highway Code demands.

And if you find yourself in a procession but are unwilling to pass those ahead of you, then for goodness' sake leave an adequate space between you and the car in front so that those who wish to overtake can safely slot into the gap as they work their way past the queue; forcing a driver to overtake several vehicles at once, or making it hard for him to pull in, is a recipe for disaster. Selfish drivers are bad drivers, and potentially dangerous at any speed.

 

 

 

I will also reiterate that I failed my test for not making adequate progress, ie not driving to the speed limit and overtaking the slower moving vehicle.

 

I would also like to point out that I get better mpg at 55 to 60mph than i do at 35-40 with my dsg hunting through gears all the time and the constant slowing down because the monospeeders don't know the law of physics and what happens when a uphill section approaches.

There was mention in one of the previous posts of "having to do a mad overtake". If that's possible safely, go for it. If there's a 5% chance of killing other people due to unsighted on coming or stationary traffic / oil / deer, I'd prefer people didn't. I could be wrong.

ps what would anyone recommend for improving at knowing what really is safe, and driving at that speed?

There was mention in one of the previous posts of "having to do a mad overtake". If that's possible safely, go for it. If there's a 5% chance of killing other people due to unsighted on coming or stationary traffic / oil / deer, please don't. I could be wrong.

ps what would anyone recommend for improving at knowing what really is safe, and driving at that speed?

Common sense?

 

Apart from that IAM as clearly there is a failing by the DSA in producing people that can 'drive', especially in the art of overtaking and 'making adequate progress'

I mean "Can i get round that bend at 40 / 50 / 60?". To me that comes from experience... , but I'd like to get it safely. Maybe a track day.

I mean "Can i get round that bend at 40 / 50 / 60?". To me that comes from experience, but I'd like to get safely. Maybe a track day.

This thread isn't about going around a bend at 60,  it is about doing the speed limit on a road that is clearly safe to do so.  It is also about overtaking the slower moving vehicles instead of bunching up behind them. It is about these monospeeders making our life easier instead of bunching up, accelerating or flashing when we try and overtake.

Adequate progress. The most ridiculously worded and undefinable requirement as far as driving standards goes, please, define: adequate. The way I had it explained to me (and I'm perfectly happy to be corrected on this if my instructor told me wrongly) it simply means not dawdling along an A road at the lowest common denominator speed (i.e., when you hit an open section of road, you ought to speed up from the 40mph you took that last bend at) However, in the case of twisty A roads without long straights I had it stressed to me that it does not necessarily imply that you have to hit the speed limit.

 

EDIT: My understanding of this thread has always been that Jayne is upset at the people who do, as has been said, 'monospeed', 40 mph on the bends that you really ought not to take faster than that, 40mph on more shallow bends, 40mph on straights, 40mph through villages with a 30 limit, etc.

completely agree there's no excuse for 45 all the way, inc through 30 zone. And it's not helpful to flash someone overtaking safely. (or maybe even unsafely). And also a pain if a slow driver in front speeds up when the road straightens so it's now possible to overtake.

Adequate progress. The most ridiculously worded and undefinable requirement as far as driving standards goes, please, define: adequate. The way I had it explained to me (and I'm perfectly happy to be corrected on this if my instructor told me wrongly) it simply means not dawdling along an A road at the lowest common denominator speed (i.e., when you hit an open section of road, you ought to speed up from the 40mph you took that last bend at) However, in the case of twisty A roads without long straights I had it stressed to me that it does not necessarily imply that you have to hit the speed limit.

 

EDIT: My understanding of this thread has always been that Jayne is upset at the people who do, as has been said, 'monospeed', 40 mph on the bends that you really ought not to take faster than that, 40mph on more shallow bends, 40mph on straights, 40mph through villages with a 30 limit, etc.

 

Spot on

Oh, and apologies to Jane for spelling her name wrong - bad/lazy typing habits!

40mph brigade were out in force today. Further annoyance compounded by the fact I got run off the road by another moron who thought she could go straight on at an island in the right hand lane with utter disregard to my presence.

Overtook about 15 morons today and curiously only 2 lorries. Cars behind these lorries included Mercedes, audi etc.

I tend to set the cruise at 50, tunes on and have a stressless drive to where I am going, on motorways I set it at 65.

# Post 1 was about having to overtake, the Likes of Audis, Astons, M power BMW's, Porsche etc because they were not going fast enough, no Speeds were mentioned,

no 40-50 mph or the likes,

 

Which was why i asked if they were going belw the NSL,  

but there was no answer to that. then we get onto speeding and not speeding etc.

 

Now were and are all these Audi, Astons, BMW's Porsche etc doing 40-50 mph on a 60 mph NSL road?

I always make progress suitable for the conditions and that means in good conditions on NSL roads 60. This is to keep traffic flowing freely etc. 

 

I don't have a problem with the drivers who feel they aren't confident in going faster than 50 or even 40. I don't have a problem with most HGV drivers who stick to their 40 limit in NSL sections.

 

I do have a problem with the queue of morons that develops behind slower vehicles who sit right up behind each other so close that they can't see a safe overtaking spot. Not that they ever would overtake they just sit there refusing to do so. Once you have a few of these it becomes almost impossible to overtake safely. Or you end up doing what a silly women did to me on the A17 the other week and almost have a head on with me because she pulled a dangerous over take past multiple vehicles and a lorry. I admit she got a good blast of full beam for that while I was standing on the brakes.

Probably not the best idea to blast somebody with your full beam when they're about to have a head on collision with you 

Doesn't this thread reflect many other threads which have been posted. If we have regard for other road users we should remember that as we are human sometimes we are pushed for time and sometimes we need to get somewhere fast.

It is easy to get out of the way and not cause an obstruction if you do want to tootle. A number of times I have been needlessly held up by thoughtless slow drivers. Three examples getting my first wife and mother in law to my father in law' s death bed, ditto to my own father and the third when I was at an airport with a wrong passport and needed to get home and back.

Please remember when you are tootling along you have no idea what pressures the driver behind is under and what chances they might take.

Whether it's cyclists v motorist, lorries elephant racing or slow coaches, consideration is prime.

I find yelling "get out my ****ing way!" makes me feel better even if it has little effect on the traffic.

 

Slow driver are just a bloody selfish as the excessive speeders / loony overtakers.

 

Since many (not all) of these drivers are elderly they should consider that if they are unable or uncomfortable keeping up with the flow of traffic then it's time to hang up the keys.

 

I'm all for retesting every 5-10yr. actually I wouldn't object to a 'reasonable' retest for every driver. Every 10yr till 70 then every 5. Not a full learner style thing but a safety and competency test.

Edited 4 February, 201412 yr by Aspman

Since many (not all) of these drivers are elderly they should consider that if they are unable or uncomfortable keeping up with the flow of traffic then it's time to hang up the keys.

 

 

That's exactly what my Grandad did eventually, he said he started to feel very unsafe driving when it was dark/dull, so took himself off the road so that he didn't cause an accident. Very pragmatic and absolutely the right thing to do.

I did actually have a good long reply typed but i my laptop likes to do stuff randomly and took me back a page...argh.

 

Anyways in short as i cannot be bothered to write it again is...

 

I'm NOT a lunatic on the road, infact you could not be further from the truth

I read the road its conditions and dont just mindlessly speed..on the road in question i did 35mph all the way due to sparkly and slippery nature

I only make safe overtakes, learn to look further then your bonnet..i know i can overtake on a section of road before i get there due to looking ahead (till summer when the hedges and trees grow back  :wonder:

End of the day..your talking to a woman here..we are renowned for making better decisions then men its just fact haha 

I see where you're coming from Emma/Jane whatever your name is. :P

 

 

I bait bigger/quicker cars sometimes to see if they will 'play'.  Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. As the other night it worked against a C Class Merc, was quite fun down a 9mile road.

 

 

As for people doing 40mph on a 60 mph this really gets my goat.  Few months back this happend i flew past him (at 60) he pulled over (nervous i suspect) and flashed me.  Un-knowingly the chap lived right next to the garage where I park my car, walked over to me and had a rant. I kept my cool, and asked what speed limit that road was, he replied 60, I then asked why was you doing 40 then?  Soon walked back into his house and not heard another thing.

Road captains obviously  work both ways, some want you to go slower and want you to go faster.

 

 those that think they should dictate how others use the Public Highway.