Thinking about getting rid of my 2007 (MY08) 1.8 TSI as the car seems to be in the Garage every 3 months for one thing or another, so am toying with the idea of selling it and then getting a VRS 2.0 TDI PD, of the same year, however wanted to know if this engine has a DPF or not, as I have heard on hear that DPF's in PD engines are prone to issues, any ideas. 

If you are sick of the issues on a 1.8 TSi then you certainly do not want to be buying a PD170 vRS.

 

Yes, they have a DPF and no they are not very well suited to the PD170 engine. The later CR170 engine mates with it's DPF far better.

 

The PD engines were never designed to work with DPF's, so when they were bolted on later in their life they never were the best of friends! The PD170 seems to fare the worst.

 

There was a VOSA recall for the injectors on this engine too. A lot of members had various issues (including failing DPF's) immediately after the work was carried out which for me at least was the final nail in the PD170's coffin. Mine had to go.

 

A 2007 PD170 will be getting on a bit now, making the DPF even more likely to cause issues in the not too distant future, even more so if the mileage is high.

 

Now, if you remove the DPF, the car is transformed and I wouldn't hesitate buying a good example. But you do then wander into the murky MOT and legal debates about DPF removal options. Run a quick search on here for lot's and lot's of arguments debates about whether it should be done or not.

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The PD170 has a DPF and is more troublesome than the 2.0 CR with a DPF as the CR was designed with the DPF in place.

As above. Due to how the PD engine works it doesn't play well with a DPF.

 

The main issue is with the injection timing for regens. The PD engine timing quite rigid as the injectors are powered off the cam but triggered electronically. There's a relatively small window in which to inject fuel with little room for deviation.

 

A DPF regen needs the exhaust to be hot. The CR engines do this well as they can inject the fuel late on in the cycle and so get the exhaust nice and hot.

 

The PD is also a smokier engine anyway so clogs up the filter quicker.

 

Phil

Cheers Guy's, back to the drawing board for me then. My previous car was a Mk1 Seat Leon 130 TDI and it was never in the garage as much as this one is. It's next excursion is to the garage on Wednesday as it feels like the clutch is on the way out :-(( that is if i don't require a tow truck before then.    

The only PD engine that didn't have a DPF is the 1.9 PD105.

 

Phil

 

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I think the 2.0 PD140 didn't either unless it's in the Scout version where it did.

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The 1.8 TSi is generally well respected for reliability.

 

I guess a clutch can be considered fair wear and tear (depending on mileage), what else have you suffered with?

I thought there was a 2.0 PD engine fitted to the Octavia that didn't have a DPF?

I thought there was a 2.0 PD engine fitted to the Octavia that didn't have a DPF?

 

Yeah I realised that then edited my post

The 8v BMM engine in the 140PD scout doesn't seem to suffer from as many DPF related issues. Mine has a hard life with frequent short journeys from cold especially during winter. I do go a bit OTT and run it onUltimate and change the oil and filter twice a year. To date I've only ever been aware of one regen. At the last service the ash content of the dpf was 6g IIRC.

Mark

Get the 2.0 BKD PD140 engined Octavia, and remap it for VRS like power.

The 1.8 TSi is generally well respected for reliability.

 

I guess a clutch can be considered fair wear and tear (depending on mileage), what else have you suffered with?

 

 

 

 

Hmm, let me consult my pile of receipts when i get back home.        

I think the DPF was only added to the VRS from sometime in 2008 so will depend on age of car you are considering. When I was looking for a 2008 or around I am pretty sure I saw one without a DPF.

All MkII diesel Octavia vRS's have DPF's from the factory.

 

There are vRS's out there without DPF's but these have been removed by a third party after purchase.

The only PD engine that didn't have a DPF is the 1.9 PD105.

 

Phil

 

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I think the 2.0 PD140 didn't either unless it's in the Scout version where it did.

 

Damn and blast. Having had horrendous DPF probs on a Mazda I was smugly assuming my Scout 2.0 PD140 would not eat my wallet for this reason, at least. Wrong. Centre pipe dropped out, causing a problem with the front section. National Tyres have just advised it has a DPF. £960 down the swanee <groan>.

My Ex 07 plate Octavia PD Vrs had a DPF from new, then it didn't have a DPF and it was a different car.

My Ex 07 plate Octavia PD Vrs had a DPF from new, then it didn't have a DPF and it was a different car.

 

Similar story with my Mazda.

 

National rang back to advise that they're unable to do the job as it's too complex and labour intensive, and suggested sending it to a Skoda dealer.

 

Wild panic set in as the till register in my brain went through the roof.

 

Then spoke to my local engineer (who's never worked on a Scout, but still...) and I'm now on my way to get the car round to him for a second opinion. Also talked to the dealer I bought it from on 7 August and another option is to get it recovered to them, but although I have full breakdown cover, they're unlikely to be happy about that.

 

Wish me a change of fortune...

This is the first documented failure of a DPF fitted to a Scout I have read of on here in all my years on Briskoda.

 

What happened, how did the centre section 'drop out'? Are you saying the exhaust is rotten? How has this resulted in the failure of the DPF?

 

All diesel Scouts have a DPF. One word of warning - it is a nightmare to replace, purely in terms of access. The prop for the rear wheel drive needs dropping to get your hands on the DPF making an already quite labour intensive job even tougher.

 

See my post #2 regarding MOT's, but I know what I'd be doing. I would be taking the car to a specialist (such as Shark) and having the DPF professionally opened, gutted, welded back up and the sensors mapped out.

 

I assume your Mazda was a 6? One of the worst cars for duff DPF's.

 

The Scout's DPF is remarkably reliable, especially given how bad they are on the PD170 vRS. Not sure why the 8V SOHC 2.0 engine in the Scout is more sympathetic to it's DPF but I've had a PD170 vRS (now gone due to the DPF) and a Scout, which we still own. It only does short runs and at 7 years old / 50,000 miles we've never seen the DPF light.

>>>This is the first documented failure of a DPF fitted to a Scout I have read of on here in all my years on Briskoda.<<<

 

As far as I know, the DPF itself is fine...there's certainly been no indication of any problems.

 

>>>What happened, how did the centre section 'drop out'? Are you saying the exhaust is rotten? How has this resulted in the failure of the DPF?<<<

 

I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but it appears that the centre pipe rotted and came away from the back section, dropping to the ground. National Tyres said that the front section was also affected...he said it has "sheered away"...and recommended replacing it rather than trying to fix it, which apparently involves a new DPF. Is that actually the case do you know?

 

Clearly National Tyres just aren't geared up for tackling anything other than simple in & out jobs, and this task is beyond them. It's now with my garage and I'm awaiting their verdict, feeling tentatively optimistic that they'll find a more cost effective solution. 

 

>>>I assume your Mazda was a 6?<<<

 

It's a 3. I still have it and managed to get it going today...I think the battery isn't holding a charge and is therefore failing to fire up the ignition, so I've ordered a new one. Hopefully it will keep me going until the Scout is back. 

 

>>>The Scout's DPF is remarkably reliable<<<

 

​That's reassuring.  

 

>>>at 7 years old / 50,000 miles we've never seen the DPF light.<<<

 

And long may it last!

At 7.5 years and 139k miles I might be tempting fate in saying I've had no DPF issues. Seen the regen light a few times when doing predominantly town work but always cleared quickly and easily. No exhaust or sensor issues here at all!

2007 4x4 pd here (si same 8v bmm as scout) and we had dpf problems back in early 2011 iirc. Trip to shark and it was sorted but you're right it is a bugger of a job to do on the 4x4 apparently. Much nicer car to drive since though.

2007 4x4 pd here (si same 8v bmm as scout) and we had dpf problems back in early 2011 iirc. Trip to shark and it was sorted but you're right it is a bugger of a job to do on the 4x4 apparently. Much nicer car to drive since though.

At what mileage did you have the issues skomaz?

I'm sure I've read that the transfer box has to come off to get at the DPF on the 4x4?

At what mileage did you have the issues skomaz?

I'm sure I've read that the transfer box has to come off to get at the DPF on the 4x4?

 

Pretty early on - about 30,000mls from memory but it was about a year after my wife stopped working and the car started being mostly used for short trips like the odd school run and local shopping so it wasn't unexpected.  Still annoying though!

 

In terms of getting it done I believe it was one of the first, if not the first, 4x4 / Scout that Shark had done but it didn't involve removing the transfer box.  From memory they took the steering rack off and unbolted driveshafts and everything then used a bit of brute force to push the transfer box across which gave just enough room to get the DPF out.

 

Maybe we were just unlucky but I took the view that it was going to be fixed once and for all as we had (and still have) no intention of moving the car on.  So a one off long term fix was needed...

>>>This is the first documented failure of a DPF fitted to a Scout I have read of on here in all my years on Briskoda.<<<

 

As far as I know, the DPF itself is fine...there's certainly been no indication of any problems.

 

>>>What happened, how did the centre section 'drop out'? Are you saying the exhaust is rotten? How has this resulted in the failure of the DPF?<<<

 

I haven't seen it with my own eyes, but it appears that the centre pipe rotted and came away from the back section, dropping to the ground. National Tyres said that the front section was also affected...he said it has "sheered away"...and recommended replacing it rather than trying to fix it, which apparently involves a new DPF. Is that actually the case do you know?

 

Clearly National Tyres just aren't geared up for tackling anything other than simple in & out jobs, and this task is beyond them. It's now with my garage and I'm awaiting their verdict, feeling tentatively optimistic that they'll find a more cost effective solution. 

 

If the DPF itself is still good and it is simply the exhaust outlet pipe that is corroded then I would be going for a fix.

 

It makes no sense at all to replace the whole DPF. National Tyres are simply parts fitters, they won't be interested in making good through a time consuming and complicated (to them) repair.

 

Someone who is good at welding should be able to replace the centre section of the exhaust and properly attach it to the existing DPF.

The only PD engine that didn't have a DPF is the 1.9 PD105.

 

Phil

 

EDIT:

 

I think the 2.0 PD140 didn't either unless it's in the Scout version where it did.

I have a PD140 (not scout but is 4x4 ex police) which has a DPF, and whilst its can be a pain you just have to know how to drive it as and when required.. if you get my drift !  It carries out its regens fine once you know how to get it hot... lol.