The Gov had a half hearted go at sorting this with reduced speed limits on M ways last year, unlike managed M - ways they decided to give interested party's a say. There was an unfavourable response so transport minister kicked it into the long grass with a vague promise to come back to it latter, read after election.  :sun: So expect to see reduced limits on all sorts of roads backed by more cameras in the name of cutting pollution  

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25619914

Fair enough if they want to cut speed limits,

 But WTF has that to do with helping Gridlocked Traffic sat on Multi Lane Trunk Routes going no place slow,

snails pace and thousands of vehicle pumping out particulates.

Millions sitting every day at a crawling pace pumping out the emissions.

 

If they need Transport Hubs, Train Lines & Commercial Hauliers moving Containers on Rails not Roads,

Electric Vehicles taking containers in cities & towns, then invest in that.

& invest in Employing Road Planners & Repairers that are interested in keeping the roads moving.

 

& get the Car & Vehicle Manufacturers & Fuel Producers to get on with introducing the technology now available.

Just as I was getting to like my 1.4, 3pot pre-dpf :(.

Attended the Multi-Modal show this week at the NEC and moving goods by sea rather than road ie drop goods from sea at Humberside, Liverpool rather than a London/SE port and drive the rest of the way to the North of England, Scotland or N.Ireland.

 

Saw dual energy trucks which sound a great idea.

wonder if they'll take into consideration that many of the traffic 'calming' measures' put in by local government massively increase pollution in urban areas. Cars and buses slowing then revving to go over multiple speed humps? Sitting at traffic lights etc.

 

I can't see any government putting in any intelligent measures, it'll be back to the usual tax and permit options.

Saw dual energy trucks which sound a great idea.

Leyland trucks had a EV/Diesel hybrid thing a few years ago - all seemed very viable, but there was no interest from the market in such a vehicle.

The one demonstrator sits as a museum piece in Leyland. 

Wonder if they might test the market again, in light of the rumblings?

Cue more urban deaths as silent trucks sneak up and splat pedestrians engrossed in their mobiles.....

Quite a few companies produce hybrid trucks now, more popular in the US at present with Coca Cola and some of the parcel firms running them , the truck industry has been pretty good to respond to environmental policies

AIUI the way to avoid deaths is to fit solid suspension and crates of milk bottles in the back.

If the EU is handing out money you can be sure that Scotland will be there saying thank you very muckle.

 

http://news.scotland.gov.uk/News/-76-million-windfall-for-Scotland-s-low-carbon-economy-177f.aspx

 

http://transportscotland.gov.uk/news/bus-play-key-role-scotlands-transport-mix

Edited 1 May, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

Am i right in thinking someone, Somewhere was experimenting with water injection into the exhaust system to lower diesel particle emissions  years ago, Or was i dreaming .. If it is true , What happened? Any ideas? 

Am i right in thinking someone, Somewhere was experimenting with water injection into the exhaust system to lower diesel particle emissions years ago, Or was i dreaming .. If it is true , What happened? Any ideas?

SCR/Adblue

Am i right in thinking someone, Somewhere was experimenting with water injection into the exhaust system to lower diesel particle emissions  years ago, Or was i dreaming .. If it is true , What happened? Any ideas? 

 

Using Adblue/SCR to reduce NO can help hugely in reducing these pollutants by two thirds to 90% or so ie down to the level that petrol cars already have.

 

Like in the days when I would put two stroke oil in my H1, GT380 etc, or if you have an RX7/8, it is just a whole new level on cost and hassle.   You may be using 5 litres of Adblue to every 100 litre of fuel, pain.   

Yeah i know about Adblue (horrible piggy pi$$ stuff)    But years ago i think it was London they were doing tests on buses with some sort of water injection into the exhaust system, Just never heard anything else about it..

Yeah i know about Adblue (horrible piggy pi$$ stuff)    But years ago i think it was London they were doing tests on buses with some sort of water injection into the exhaust system, Just never heard anything else about it..

 

They had water injection on the FW 190 in WW2 and some other aero piston engines.  More about burst of power and mixed with methanol or ethanol.   This SCR is injected in to exhaust system rather than the combustion chamber I assumed.

They had water injection on the FW 190 in WW2 and some other aero piston engines. More about burst of power and mixed with methanol or ethanol. This SCR is injected in to exhaust system rather than the combustion chamber I assumed.

Exactly right.

They had water injection on the FW 190 in WW2 and some other aero piston engines. More about burst of power and mixed with methanol or ethanol. This SCR is injected in to exhaust system rather than the combustion chamber I assumed.

The WI on aircraft was to address the issue of making power at altitude , thinner air means you need more boost

So Diesels would need to carry AdBlue tanks, something up to 10 or maybe 20 litres to get their emmisions down to a exceptable level.  More weight, more cost.  Or trade in for a petrol and sell the diesel car for those areas/places still allowing diesels to use the streets.

Many of your Big & Not so Big and Commercial Volkswagen Group Diesels are already running it,

and the Euro 6 diesels likely will be.

Edited 4 May, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

Glad i live in wales reading this 

Many of your Big & Not so Big and Commercial Volkswagen Group Diesels are already running it,

and the Euro 6 diesels likely will be.

 

 

Did the superb and some French diesels of 7-10yr ago not have a tank of some substance for emissions which was refilled at extortionate rates?

 

Clicky - http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/307-38/diesel-additive-minimun-level-8164/

 

I remember reading a good while back that if you could mix a percentage of water into diesel it improved efficiency a lot, but the obvious problem was how to mix oil and water.

Edited 4 May, 201511 yr by Aspman

Interesting chart on this page comparing diesel emission particulate levels with other situations.

 

[edit and the link - doh]

 

http://www.psa-peugeot-citroen.com/en/featured-content/diesel-technology/DPF-diesel-particulate-filter

 

I suspect that there are particulates and then there are particulates though.

Edited 4 May, 201511 yr by Aspman

Did the superb and some French diesels of 7-10yr ago not have a tank of some substance for emissions which was refilled at extortionate rates?

Clicky - http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/307-38/diesel-additive-minimun-level-8164/

I remember reading a good while back that if you could mix a percentage of water into diesel it improved efficiency a lot, but the obvious problem was how to mix oil and water.

Iirc volvo has such a system. Some can of gloop that's about £250 to change iirc every 40k

By comparison, works car uses adblue. Takes 10L every 15-18k at £11 a drum.

Just don't get it on fabric/clothing, metal or plastic.

Did the superb and some French diesels of 7-10yr ago not have a tank of some substance for emissions which was refilled at extortionate rates?

 

Clicky - http://www.peugeotforums.com/forums/307-38/diesel-additive-minimun-level-8164/

 

I remember reading a good while back that if you could mix a percentage of water into diesel it improved efficiency a lot, but the obvious problem was how to mix oil and water.

 

It was the 2.0L PD engines as fitted (in the Skoda range) only to the MkI Superbs

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/291834-dpf-top-up-flashing-glow-plug-warning/?hl=%2Badblue#entry3579132

Our government's inaction on air quality is simply shocking. It's literally killing thousands of people.

 

Is there any documentary evidence as to this claim yet? I did see a map that showed how much of the country was "affected", and it included some pretty vast open spaces that doesn't see a lot of vehicles. I haven't noticed many monitoring stations outside of the big towns.

 

I'm doing my bit, I was going to put a nice economical 4 cylinder straight diesel in my truck, that isn't good for the environment though, so it's going to be a V6 on carbs.

Edited 4 May, 201511 yr by StevesTruck

Iirc volvo has such a system. Some can of gloop that's about £250 to change iirc every 40k

By comparison, works car uses adblue. Takes 10L every 15-18k at £11 a drum.

Just don't get it on fabric/clothing, metal or plastic.

Yeah Adblue crystallizes when it dries, Nasty stuff...