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  • Aspman
    Aspman

    I really don't like those alloys.

  • 999pooch
    999pooch

    The Cadiz wheels on the R are my first diamond cut alloys. I wasn't that keen on them at first, but boy are they easy to keep clean and they look good for much longer when dirty. They still look fairl

  • pipsyp
    pipsyp

    Expect my work would not be too amused if I stuck a body kit and Peco Big Bore exhaust on my company Zafira Tourer 1.6 diesel...I would be though haha In all seriousness though...I don't think the Cl

Tbh mate, i think its the whole 'black with polished front' thing that i dont like.

Maybe im old fashioned. I like them all one colour.. Haha.

The Cadiz wheels on the R are my first diamond cut alloys. I wasn't that keen on them at first, but boy are they easy to keep clean and they look good for much longer when dirty. They still look fairly clean when a silver painted alloy would look caked :)

The only downside is when you kerb them, big repair bills and not everyone will tackle them to a good standard.

I have one with a chunk out the rim, not bad in my view, but both repair shops locally with CNC machines have refused. Even TWS who I sent pictures to said they would have a go but would charge close to £200 and wouldn't guarantee results :(

Edited for stupid autocorrect :(

Edited by 999pooch

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    I like the 18" wheels as shown in Vid 1.

     (as for himself in Vid 2, he needs to research more.)

    Edited by GoneOffskiroottoot

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    The Cadiz wheels on the R are my first diamond cut alloys. I wasn't that keen on them at first, but boy are they easy to keep clean and they look good for much longer when dirty. They still look fairly clean when a silver painted alloy would look caked :)

    The only downside is when you kerb them, big repair bills and not everyone will tackle them to a good standard.

    I have one with a chunk out the rim, not bad in my view, but both repair shops locally with CNC machines have refused. Even TWS who I sent pictures to said they would have a go but would charge close to £200 and wouldn't guarantee results :(

    Edited for stupid autocorrect :(

    Not sure if this company is worth checkingout. No personal experience.

    http://www.prestigewheels.co.uk/

    http://www.alloywheelrefurbishment.co.uk/index.php

    Edited by vrskeith

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    What about the actual VW Golf GTI Clubsport, any mention of any in the UK, right hand drive anyone taking them out for Road Tests or Reviews on actual Roads?

     

    VW Deflector from their problem Vapour Builds with lightweights, more Electric and Green cars are great for Auto Express & Autocar 

    to fill some pages.

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    Interesting historical progress up to the Clubsport arriving in showrooms soon.

     

     

     

    In the above video I notice the mk1 shown is not the first sold in the UK as it is the Pirelli Edition. which had a 5speed box. I had one of the first in the UK which had a 4 speed box. mine also had steel rims.

     

    Now that was a cracker in it's time!

    Well today VW CS sales replied to my email ,sent for a friend ,about the spec etc and ordering of a configured model.

    However,even though Evo Journo greatly praised it and mentioned,presumably after VW Exec information given at track launch ,that orders would be taken late Jan early Feb.

    The reply states no further information available to General Public yet.But view VW Exhibition at European Motor Shows. How crap is that.

    So WTF is going on with this Anniversary Model VW.

    Change of strategy relating to other Manufacturers model introduction?

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    So as of yesterday it is now available to order,should you want this upgraded LE Golf GTI.

    So is the spec and price uplift worth it for an estimate 1000 limited batch. Can be configured ,when system made available, at even greater Cost.

    [url=http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/brochures/golf-gti-clubsport40-brochure.pdf]http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/assets/common/pdf/brochures/golf-gti-clubsport40-brochure.pdf[/ur

    Just a video reminder of how it performs and handles.

    http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/golf-gti-clubsport/17036/watch-volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-review-the-ultimate-gti

    Edited by vrskeith

    An odd thing i notice and not sure if this is correct or will be corrected if VW have given these kerb weights for the Golf GTI Clubsport..

    3 & 5 door manual are both 1,300 kg minimum.

    3 & 5 door DSG 1,320 kg minimum.

    Usually they say 25kg more on 5 doors over 3 doors.  (or they used to..)

    Time will tell, surely now with VW having to check Co2 / VED classes etc they are not going to launch and give out their inaccurate weights like they have in the past.

    Some journalist or owner will weight them and tell the tale of the weights.

     

    EDIT.

    My bad.

    Seems it is me that has it wrong, and the Lease Companies etc where i read the weights.

    In the VW Brochure, 

    the Manuals are 1,375 kg & the DSG's are 1,395kg

    http://gtspirit.com/2015/12/16/2016-volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-review

     

    ...............................

    Not very accurate Data here then.

    http://carleasingmadesimple.com/data/volkswagen/golf/kerb-weight

    Edited by GoneOffSKi

    The Configurator is now open for use if you are interested.

    http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/new/golf-gti-vii/configure

    Spec'd a car last night and was soon in the £35k territory, can be purchased by the likes of Orangewheels but with no discount . VW I think give a deposit contribution if vying via PCP.

    So pricey even compared to a New Pre-Reg R and also Focus RS (even if you could get in the next 12 months without a greedy dealer hike) or even the Honda Type R !

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    Top Gear review. So will it be a better day-day package and more fun on road and track than the R?

     

    http://www.topgear.com/car-news/hot-hatch/driven-vws-golf-gti-clubsport-track

     

    Reviews suggest so at least. Its engine and chassis setup are what sold the car to me (oh and the looks of course). To go one step further, and since I couldn't get in one before maybe the end of the year, I contacted a journalist that drove it on track and asked how he compared it against the R. His exact words were:

     

    "I actually think it would be a nicer everyday car than a Golf R just because it's that much more exciting and focused to drive on a good road and much better on circuit"

     

    That was all the confirmation I needed to hear.

     

     

     

     

    In the beginning I thought no as it has the exact same philosophy (same blessings) with the Cupra but loses out on brakes (no single piston setup can match the Brembos on a track) so hard to be quicker than that. But then I remembered all the aero upgrades and the extra downforce the Clubsport enjoys especially at high speeds, so in a "track" like Nurburgring, it could be possible. I'm sure it will be tested there in due time anyway. A second faster or a second slower in the green hell is no biggy. The fact that it is more fun and chuckable than the rest of the performance Golfs today is more important to me.

    While setting up the handling to be top dog on the Front Wheel Drive record sheet at the Nurbugring and European roads i hope that they remember to set up the suspension correctly for the Right Hand Drive ones for export so as there is no 'Pulling Left'.

     

    'Vorsprung Durch Technik' after decades of Motorsport Heritage & Success and after all the times VWG Dealerships blame the tyres on various models over the decades.

     

    Yeah, the moment they ditch rear seats, sound insulation and possibly some of the usual luxuries it stops being any interesting. So, Clubsport suspension and setup with just stiffer springs, 20kg off and a freed up tune on the same engine and turbo? Only that in exchange for your rear seats resulting in huge practicality loss and a super shrunk resale interest compared to a 5d/3d Clubsport? Doesn't make sense to me. It should be getting at least 80-100kg off, and at last a proper brakes setup to be of significantly faster pace than the standard Clubsport and still it'd be far from a daily driver. Can't imagine who will be buying it.

    Edited by newbie69

    Clubsport is great and no doubt the Halo Mk7 GTI.....its still not an R though.

    For a daily drive and something with that power for me 4wd is a more attractive option than an e-diff front driver...it also makes 300ps and more torque straight out of the box.

    Also....price wise you can get a nice spec R for less money than an equivalent Clubsport with Pretoria's and the bucket seats.

    Edited by pipsypreturns

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    Clubsport is great and no doubt the Halo Mk7 GTI.....its still not an R though.

    For a daily drive and something with that power for me 4wd is a more attractive option than an e-diff front driver...it also makes 300ps and more torque straight out of the box.

    Also....price wise you can get a nice spec R for less money than an equivalent Clubsport with Pretoria's and the bucket seats.

     

    Not an R, but quicker on track, nicer to drive and far more special to look at and be in one, although I accept that the latest is only a matter of personal taste. Still the fact that there's already a dozen of threads on R sub-forums on how to get the Clubsport wheel, seats, front/rear bumpers, wing, etc part numbers for retrofitting is indicative of the appeal the Clubsport design has to GTI/R owners. 

     

    Unless we are talking wet UK or icey Scandinavian roads I can't imagine another scenario where I'd prefer to be in a Haldex driven car without any diffs. That and if I was doing traffic light drag racing, (never did, and hopefully never will do). Once rolling and well inside 2nd gear, A Cupra and an R accelerate at exactly the same pace, there's plenty of videos to confirm that. In fact, when you're not spinning the wheels, the R is also FWD (surprise surprise). So, If you (speaking in general) say you're not into dynamic driving - and I am totally fine with that - how the heck are you going to be suddenly start pushing to the limit on reduced traction conditions? I don't get it.

     

    I agree that the UK pricing is somewhat bizarre, but them costing almost the same does not change the fact that the Clubsport offers things in several areas that the R simply doesn't, so the comparison is pretty much pointless. You want a Golf that's the most fun to drive, as practical as any other 5door (R offers 40lt smaller boot by the way if we talk practicality) and has all the party bits that make it special you go for the Clubsport. You are unfortunate enough to be driving on roads which are mainly wet or icey (hopefully we can agree this is not as pleasing as driving on dry for a sports car), VW will offer you part-time AWD and make you happy. Worse or better? None of the two. Horses for courses.

     

    Also, what it makes out of the box is only important to the people that don't want to even slightly tune their cars but irrelevant for anyone after power as Cupra 265, Cupra 280, Cupra 290, Golf R, Audi S3, Audi TT-S, GTI Clubsport 290, GTI Clubsport S 305, they all share the exact same engine and turbo and as such they all get to the same 360-370bhp with a mere safe stage 1. It's the marketing dept. the nowadays decides how much power should the factory map provide, so that you can convince the average buyer that he really gets something different for his money. But even on stock form, with 380Nm being available through overboost (same as in the R) and the 100 kg advantage, I bet a Clubsport will follow an R on a drag race from rolling without any hassle.

    Edited by newbie69

    Not an R, but quicker on track, nicer to drive and far more special to look at and be in one, although I accept that the latest is only a matter of personal taste. Still the fact that there's already a dozen of threads on R sub-forums on how to get the Clubsport wheel, seats, front/rear bumpers, wing, etc part numbers for retrofitting is indicative of the appeal the Clubsport design has to GTI/R owners. 

     

    Unless we are talking wet UK or icey Scandinavian roads I can't imagine another scenario where I'd prefer to be in a Haldex driven car without any diffs. That and if I was doing traffic light drag racing, (never did, and hopefully never will do). Once rolling and well inside 2nd gear, A Cupra and an R accelerate at exactly the same pace, there's plenty of videos to confirm that. In fact, when you're not spinning the wheels, the R is also FWD (surprise surprise). So, If you (speaking in general) say you're not into dynamic driving - and I am totally fine with that - how the heck are you going to be suddenly start pushing to the limit on reduced traction conditions? I don't get it.

     

    I agree that the UK pricing is somewhat bizarre, but them costing almost the same does not change the fact that the Clubsport offers things in several areas that the R simply doesn't, so the comparison is pretty much pointless. You want a Golf that's the most fun to drive, as practical as any other 5door (R offers 40lt smaller boot by the way if we talk practicality) and has all the party bits that make it special you go for the Clubsport. You are unfortunate enough to be driving on roads which are mainly wet or icey (hopefully we can agree this is not as pleasing as driving on dry for a sports car), VW will offer you part-time AWD and make you happy. Worse or better? None of the two. Horses for courses.

     

    Also, what it makes out of the box is only important to the people that don't want to even slightly tune their cars but irrelevant for anyone after power as Cupra 265, Cupra 280, Cupra 290, Golf R, Audi S3, Audi TT-S, GTI Clubsport 290, GTI Clubsport S 305, they all share the exact same engine and turbo and as such they all get to the same 360-370bhp with a mere safe stage 1. It's the marketing dept. the nowadays decides how much power should the factory map provide, so that you can convince the average buyer that he really gets something different for his money. Even as stock, with the same torque available through overboost and the 100 kg advantage, I bet a Clubsport will follow an R on a drag race from rolling without any hassle.

    Each to their own then, me thinks!

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    Each to their own then, me thinks!

     

    Totally. They might both be super-hatches but they are so different that they are not direct competitors to each other. To say one is better than the other you must very clearly define what is the basis of your evaluation. For my requirements the Clubsport won hands down and it did not matter at all that it costed almost as much as the R as I simply couldn't find what I was after in the R.

     

    It's almost like saying: "a rib-eye steak costs 20 pounds but then a pair of trousers also costs the same so it's better to get the pair of trousers" Ehm, but I'm interested in eating rather than dressing up so what's the point of suggesting me the trousers as an alternative?!

    Edited by newbie69

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