I do like this in red.

Just looked at those pics in the above video,

 

NO monoblock callipers, just the Golf "R" calliper painted red...  

 

Come on VW you bunch of feching cheapskates....so that's defo a new set of front brakes to a Clubsport & "S". People are already swapping so many items on a GTI for track use & these two versions are supposed to be more "Track"...

 

Really the Clubsport should just be called the 40th Anniversary, & the "S" the Clubsport, But you still have the flipping Seat having better brakes, the Audi TT/S3 with better brakes, lighter suspension components etc....

 

EDIT:-

 

Just had a closer read of the VWUK new page on the car...they are calling  it the Clubsport edition 40, & can find no mention of brakes, so looks like the Golf "R" ones are fitted. I also think I know where the cost has gone...the 3kg lighter forged alloys, & the fancy rear & front spoilers.

 

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/722/40-years-in-the-making-–-golf-gti-clubsport-edition-40-is-here-

Edited 29 April, 201610 yr by fabdavrav

Maybe worth waiting to see what they actually offer for sale.

If it does not appeal or you are not buying one then nothing lost.

I do like this in red.

 

 

First color I ruled out   

 

I think it is the very special (for a car) and as such only suits very very few cars out there.

I love my red Fabias in a very special way.

 Due to being so easy to touch up because of getting driven on great roads and getting many many chips due to the maintenance that makes them great roads.

 

White not being such a good choice if ever stuck in the snow.

Edited 29 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

Maybe worth waiting to see what they actually offer for sale.

If it does not appeal or you are not buying one then nothing lost.

 

Not buying, but just pointing out general observations in VW. The old Seat Ibizas/Cupra got nice Brembo 4 pots way back in the day & that attitude still carries on. & VW think they are competing directly with the track day Renaults, Minis, etc, etc & what do they offer? poor brakes..& those pics of those ring cars are what you will be getting for brakes, as by now they will have been finalised in costing etc.

 

VW has the direct swap components available to it within its group parts bin, why not use it?

They might!

 

MINI (BMW) are currently improving on the MINI Cooper S JCW's.

Limited number of vehicles that will easily become more numbers if people buy the limited number ones.

Edited 29 April, 201610 yr by GoneOffSKi

I think there's time until a brake upgrade is due. If the car arrives in September I'll be going easy on her in the beginning and that will probably take us to November when tracks are closing. If I start the track-days next spring, I'll be going with upgraded pads and fluid to begin with, you can have a good time with just that and "reasonable" braking I have found out. I find it hard to believe I'll be able to stress them so much on a public road to cause issues. Cupra and R that have the same 340x30 set, felt quite powerful on the test-drive.

I think there's time until a brake upgrade is due. If the car arrives in September I'll be going easy on her in the beginning and that will probably take us to November when tracks are closing. If I start the track-days next spring, I'll be going with upgraded pads and fluid to begin with, you can have a good time with just that and "reasonable" braking I have found out. I find it hard to believe I'll be able to stress them so much on a public road to cause issues. Cupra and R that have the same 340x30 set, felt quite powerful on the test-drive.

 

When you hit the track then you have heat/fade problems, people who track their GTI PP cars with the same brakes report that the basic pistons (single pot) are not up to much even with a pad/fluid/disc upgrade.

 

Much better fitting monoblocks, as they are lighter anyway!

When you hit the track then you have heat/fade problems, people who track their GTI PP cars with the same brakes report that the basic pistons (single pot) are not up to much even with a pad/fluid/disc upgrade.

 

Much better fitting monoblocks, as they are lighter anyway!

 

They will be going on sooner or later, just need to allow for the "wife cool-down" time between each upgrade... Buying the car itself will require several months of that... 

 

 

On another note, Clubsport sound-check:

 

 

 

Those burps and crackles on gear changes under load with a DSG car and a sports exhaust system as usually found on VW/Audi performance models are the best company on a fast drive outside the city's limits..  :clap:

Stage 3 GTI without sport pack.

 

Stage 3 GTI without sport pack.

 

 

If you mean without Performance Pack, meaning no E-VAQ diff that's a major drawback for that amount of power and especially for the track. Never amazed with Revo anyway, wouldn't guess it's any different nowadays.

They will be going on sooner or later, just need to allow for the "wife cool-down" time between each upgrade... Buying the car itself will require several months of that... 

 

 

What is the current radio active half life of a seriously annoyed wife at the moment then???...

 

 

Hot & annoyed, can be sexy....

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They will be going on sooner or later, just need to allow for the "wife cool-down" time between each upgrade... Buying the car itself will require several months of that... 

 

 

On another note, Clubsport sound-check:

 

 

 

Those burps and crackles on gear changes under load with a DSG car and a sports exhaust system as usually found on VW/Audi performance models are the best company on a fast drive outside the city's limits..  :clap:

 

Standard 18" Alloys look fine . Like the black look ,what colour have spec'd

Like the mat grey.

Edited 29 April, 201610 yr by vrskeith

What is the current radio active half life of a seriously annoyed wife at the moment then???...

 

 

Hot & annoyed, can be sexy....

 

Having stayed out of mods for a good 8 months, she was inactive until the "I think we need a new car" bomb dropped...

 

But she's getting better with the years. Last night watching the Europa League I joked saying "I'd bet 100eur Liverpool won't score" and she replied: "Those money better be saved for the Clubsport mods..."  

 

I said: "What? There's no mods planned! (liar)" to which she replied: "Sure, much like there weren't any after your stage 1 remap on the Fabia..."    It was hilarious....

Standard 18" Alloys look fine . Like the black look ,what colour have spec'd

 

Like the mat grey.

 

Yes they're lovely, imho they suit the car much better than the Pretoria's I'd normally go with on a Golf R, because they are partly black and match all those black bodykit bits of the Clubsport. They should also be quite light.

 

Quite close on the color but not exactly. Went with metallic carbon steel gray instead. Loved how subtle it is on a cloudy day, yet how different under differet natural (and not) lighting.

Having stayed out of mods for a good 8 months, she was inactive until the "I think we need a new car" bomb dropped...

 

But she's getting better with the years. Last night watching the Europa League I joked saying "I'd bet 100eur Liverpool won't score" and she replied: "Those money better be saved for the Clubsport mods..."  

 

I said: "What? There's no mods planned! (liar)" to which she replied: "Sure, much like there weren't any after your stage 1 remap on the Fabia..."    It was hilarious....

 

Oh dear...I think she's watching you....    

 

At least If I give you some pointers in this thread she will see loads of Skoda forum activity instead on VW Golf forum activity.....

Oh dear...I think she's watching you....    

 

At least If I give you some pointers in this thread she will see loads of Skoda forum activity instead on VW Golf forum activity.....

 

Fantastic idea, I'll just set the topic and you'll be pasting the material, perfect!

Sounds like they did it:

 

https://youtu.be/fp4huU3sL-4

 

Not that it matters really if in order to do this you need to ditch the rear seats and give it a tiny bit more power than what the Cupra has which is still a daily driver.

 

With the Clubsport and Clubsport S weighing almost the same and sharing the same engine and suspension essentially, I think a standard Clubsport would probably do pretty similar or slightly worse lap than the Cupra (wins on aero / loses on brakes) and probably that wasn't enough for VW. They needed to maybe drop a second or whatever time it is they've achieved so they had to come up with the, indifferent due to lack of everyday driveability, Clubsport S.

 

Even more interested to see a standard Clubsport lap around the 'ring now...

Edited 3 May, 201610 yr by newbie69

Sounds like they did it:

 

https://youtu.be/fp4huU3sL-4

 

Not that it matters really if in order to do this you need to ditch the rear seats and give it a tiny bit more power than what the Cupra has which is still a daily driver.

 

 

Even more interested to see a standard Clubsport lap around the 'ring now...

 

I think way too much marketing/placement within the range goes on at VAG, Give the Clubsport the same wheels & brakes as the Seat & it should do it as it has the same engines & better aero. But no they have to make sure you only do it in a "proper" Clubsport, so no rear seats...& you'll still have a five seat car with a Seat badge stuck on your bumper...

 

I think really its like the old MK5 Ani & Pirelli versions which people found out had a de-tuned Audi TT engine so was easy to tune up & get loads of power, that's how the Clubsport should be viewed. I think in "basic" form it might be the best FWD MQB platform car out there. Just a "light" tune & a proper brake kit & my before mentioned mods using VW factory parts & you're sorted....

I think way too much marketing/placement within the range goes on at VAG, Give the Clubsport the same wheels & brakes as the Seat & it should do it as it has the same engines & better aero. But no they have to make sure you only do it in a "proper" Clubsport, so no rear seats...& you'll still have a five seat car with a Seat badge stuck on your bumper...

 

I think really its like the old MK5 Ani & Pirelli versions which people found out had a de-tuned Audi TT engine so was easy to tune up & get loads of power, that's how the Clubsport should be viewed. I think in "basic" form it might be the best FWD MQB platform car out there. Just a "light" tune & a proper brake kit & my before mentioned mods using VW factory parts & you're sorted....

 

My thoughts exactly. Brakes play a big role on a track so for a Clubsport on single pot 340's (standard or S the differences are so minor really) to be able to beat a Cupra Sub8's time it means the suspension and aero are really well-done. Then give it the same Brembo 370's and it'd probably knock a few seconds off that lap time and make VW happy again. But what would a "Nurburgring record holding" with better than R's brakes GTI make the Golf R look like to the average buyer? Maybe not such a flagship any more? Problemo!

 

Ok then, idea! Let's build the driving focused FWD daily driver that can compete against the Cupra. Give it the R engine but de-tune it slightly not to upset R owners and make up for it with the uprated chassis that should be able to take the game to the Leon. 2 birds with one stone. But what about that damn 'ring record? Ok so let's build a "special special" version that would provide just that, without upsetting either the R  or the Clubsport owners. How the hell we do that? Well, the car's there and is already capable, so just make it very special, like in "unusable" for an everyday driver, ditch those seats. Hey presto, no competition for any other Golf for that matter. But who would buy a 32K Golf with a roll-cage? Irrelevant, it'll merely provide the media attention and record-related publicity, no actual profits are expected from it. For everything else we offer the standard Clubsport or the R based on people's priorities. 

 

It seems the biggest problem VW had to face was the internal Golf competition, rather than how to build a good car, that was probably the easiest part. 

Edited 3 May, 201610 yr by newbie69

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/exclusive-we-ride-around-n%C3%BCrburgring-vw-golf-gti-clubsport-s

 

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-s-smashes-n%C3%BCrburgring-record

 

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/golf/95342/record-breaking-volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-s-revealed

 

 

http://www.evo.co.uk/volkswagen/17674/volkswagen-golf-gti-clubsport-s-official-most-powerful-gti-ever-breaks-n-rburgring

Edited 4 May, 201610 yr by vrskeith

(Hits Nail on head)

It seems the biggest problem VW had to face was the internal Golf competition, rather than how to build a good car, that was probably the easiest part. 

 

What gets me is that within two other VAG Brands (Lambo & Porsche) they make 4WD & RWD versions of the same cars...the RWD ones are the more mental/track & sold as such. They openly admit that the RWD are faster on a race track than the 4WD. So why doesn't VAG sort VW out the same (yes I know it's comparing a FWD-vs-4WD), but really sell the R as what it is "a fast all conditions all weather car", then they could be free to make the FWD faster & more mental!

 

The Clubsport is VW doing a (weak) look a like of their MK7 Golf GTI TCR 330PS track/race car here:-

http://www.volkswagen.co.uk/about-us/news/719

 

They even admit they called upon the Seat Leon race car experience to build this TCR with 330PS & 410Nm.

 

VW marketing dept....         

To be honest, reading what the changes are compared to the standard Clubsport, a smile comes on my face. It's only a few very simple and easy bolt-on things on a basis which is 95% there on the Clubsport. 30kg off, free-er engine map and track brake pads. As for the "Special Nurbrugring damper setting" come on. So a track-tuned suspension like on the Clubsport is not good enough for the 'Ring? I wouldn't say other greater sports cars have trouble going fast around it neither they come with "Nurburgring" suspension mode. Of-course if you fine-tune a suspension to a specific track's characteristics you can gain several tenths over an "all-round" setting (motorsport basics) but what's the point? I won't be buying the car to drive it in the green hell exclusively, but rather in a variety of tracks and twisty back-roads so I think it'll be fine. And I get to keep my rear seats, big screen head unit, and normal sound insulation, yeehaaa!!! Now if someone could do a proper fast lap around the Ring in a standard Clubsport, you know the car that is actually going to be bought by real customers.

Edited 4 May, 201610 yr by newbie69

http://www.topgear.com/sites/default/files/styles/fit_980x551/public/images/news-article/carousel/2016/05/bdba12727c6e5c48c3e886abf61a8e9e/db2016au00353.jpg?itok=dar16i1H

 

 

So the Clubsport S doesn't need the larger front/side air intakes like the R, to generate the extra 10 bhp

 

http://images.car.bauercdn.com/pagefiles/16346/1040x585/88vwgolfr.jpg

Edited 4 May, 201610 yr by vrskeith