A few years ago, I thought I'd create this public information film, warning of the "winter tyre overconfidence" phenomenon.

 

IT was 3 degrees and thick fog, and dark!  cycling to work at 5.15 yesterday morning in the sticks, but 16 on my way home, I will not change both bike and car till it gets below 5 most days .I need them to get up the 20% hills with sharp bends  to get to and from work, necessity for me 

 

Do you have winter tyres on the push bike?!

Do you have winter tyres on the push bike?!

Er yes , I have three setts of wheels, ones with slicks, one with puncture resist rain tyres ( kevlar) and ones with these http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/wtb-crosswolf-tcs-light-fast-rolling-tyre/rp-prod128378 takes 2 minutes to change both wheels !  :clap:

He has some available but no point yet as its not yet consistently below 7c

Er yes , I have three setts of wheels, ones with slicks, one with puncture resist rain tyres ( kevlar) and ones with these http://www.chainreactioncycles.com/wtb-crosswolf-tcs-light-fast-rolling-tyre/rp-prod128378 takes 2 minutes to change both wheels !  :clap:

 

Thanks, was just curious. I have 2 sets on mine.

Lady Elanore,

winter tyre thread and i was referring to Motoring Journalists off on Tyre Test Jaunts to Cold Weather Winter Testing locations on an annual basis, not Sports Car Tyre Improvements.

 

The Tyres BMW cars were getting fitted to the rear to get around in winter in the UK 10 Years ago are not actually that much improved upon in 2015.

At NSL's as a max and less for the winter conditions in the UK or even Mainland Europe they do the job they are designed to do just fine.

& you are unlikely to be fitting and running all year are you.

 

Testing on Hills, up and down and cambered roads is more relevant than the Demonstrations on Horizontal Ice Rinks 

and Frozen Lakes.

Slip sliding is more common due to UK type Ambient Temperatures on Black Ice, and Thawing Ice,

ie  Water on Ice. Then slush and wet snow, on ice, etc etc.

I think one of the more clever recent developments is the route that some manufacturers have taken as opposed the Michelin one. Michelin have deigned a summer tyre that works in winter, whereas Nokian developed a winter tyre that works in the summer. As I'm more interested in the later, its' just a shame I can't find a tyre I want in the right size. I've been using 'winters' since 2007 and in that time I'm  quite happy at the improvements I have seen. Tyres like the Vredestein Extremes can be left on all year round and will wear at a not too dissimilar rate to summer tyres. A colleague ran a Disco II with this combo for 3 years before they needed replacing (around 30,000 miles)

Have you run the likes of that all year on your more sporting type cars?

 

I have ran Winter tyres all year for a couple of decades now on various cars, including AWDs.

Running lots of brands of Tyres with RRPs of £60 to £160 ish and the thing is that the price does not always equate to the performance or longevity of them in the Cold, Wet, Warm UK 4 Seasons.

 

If spending more was always worth more in safety and performance i would pay the higher price, but trial and error has show me that Reviews & Tests by others in Locations not relevant to the users location and use can be misleading.

I have a set of Michelin Cross Climate fitted now and will see how they are, 

and if not as good as i hope i will sell them as used tyres.

I ran the Vredesteins myself on my A4 3.0tdi for several months including a mild winter where I probably spent many weeks driving in 10+ degrees. They didn't seem to wear any quicker than the standard tyres, although they were not as sharp on the handling front, but that's to be expected.

I think one of the more clever recent developments is the route that some manufacturers have taken as opposed the Michelin one. Michelin have deigned a summer tyre that works in winter, whereas Nokian developed a winter tyre that works in the summer. As I'm more interested in the later, its' just a shame I can't find a tyre I want in the right size.

 

Can u not go UP or DOWN a size as long as its safe to do so within your rims (or car)?

 

I fitted one size slightly up on mine (as there was also no size for my car for the Michelin CrossClimates).....

Can u not go UP or DOWN a size as long as its safe to do so within your rims (or car)?

 

I fitted one size slightly up on mine (as there was also no size for my car for the Michelin CrossClimates).....

I like the idea of replacing with the exact same size and spec, then the insurance company has no wriggle room to avoid cover in event of an accident

I like the idea of replacing with the exact same size and spec, then the insurance company has no wriggle room to avoid cover in event of an accident

 

Why?

U anticipate to have one?

 

 

I agree though!

 

OR

U can ask them first, if no extra charge (or a few quids extra) - why not go for it?

I like the lack of complexity with keeping the same gearing, ground clearance etc, so I'm happy to stick with the OE tyre size.

I like the lack of complexity with keeping the same gearing, ground clearance etc, so I'm happy to stick with the OE tyre size.

 

Does make life simpler 

Title of thread : '7 degrees this morning got your winters on yet?'

 

Main content of thread = People to which it doesn't apply trying to justify their position........ 

 

"we don't get enough snow" / "ive not needed them before" / "I just know how to drive"....... To all these type of boring most repeatedly posted comments as has been pointed out time and time again inc in the title...... 7Deg and lower is where the benefit / claimed benefit is. So why insist on going on about snow and ice on roads or sub zero temps, as if that is the only time there is a claimed benefit, when it's simply not the case? It's just irrelevant and in the wake of it having been pointed out, is just an embarrassingly weak argument to attempt. I doubt anyone truly believes that there are no benefits to the specific seasonal tyres for better control regardless of if the individual does or does not feel the need to get them personally. I don't see why in a thread asking if those with them have started using them yet with a dip in temps, that all the same old *******s gets slabbered around the place again. Why not go back to one of the other dozen or more threads that have already been hijacked for that purpose and leave the winter rubbery folk to it in this one? 

 

See your proposed new home here: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/373316-i-dont-need-winter-tyres-because-i-am-so-awesome-thread/

 

My stance on the subject is that if money was no object etc, I would consider it the best course of action to have the most appropriate tyres for the specific time of year, be that full winters in the UK climates winter or M&S, I would personally remain more inclined to M&S based of personal experience with the wet weather performance being a major factor along with basic lower temperature friction. But why should I or anyone else who is happy to go to the time hassle or expense not be able to discuss it without listening to a pile of people trying to justify why they do not have them, when that's totally irrelevant when you were not asked......

 

Adjusting driving is of course equally as important regardless of the compound chosen, but where summer vs winter/M&S fail for me is the emergency braking. You don't always have the ability to plan for or foresee an incident which requires you to take immediate emergency avoidance action. If a child finds themselves in the path of my car, ultimately they have a better chance at still being alive seconds later if I have the most suitable tyres for the conditions and that's something which I cannot say if I just used summer tyres all year round and thats only taking of braking, I also have an increased ability to take effective swerve and avoidance action. For a careful and competent driver who drives appropriately for the conditions, there should be no issues on any compound for 90% of the UK and it's climate, it's only where the unexpected happens or is forced on you from the actions of others mainly, that you can then gain the valuable benefit from different tyres. I had no problem in the bad winter of 2009 in my Mk1 Fabia vRS stage 1 getting anywhere I needed to go on terrible uncleared or treated roads for weeks of marble like compacted snow, but would it have been better to have in that case full on winters? Of course it would, not for for a dramatic ability to go even further, but for the added safety factor it would create, in the event! If we have the same sort of conditions this winter, I still won't have full winters as my balance of affordability means I stop with M&S as I like to actually be able to clear standing water with the tread pattern the rest of the winter. As echoed by many narrow minded folk we do not have a large number of standing snow days in most of the UK, so the balance has to be drawn somewhere and for me this is where it is as for my location and the most rainfall in the UK full winters have disadvantages compared to M&S for me.

 

Ah the voice of reason arrives.  TFFT!  Of course Fuby you need to remember some people just come into these threads for a good argument.  Sad I know but a fact of forum life I'm afraid. Still if it keeps them from pi$$ing off someone else somewhere then I suppose it has served a purpose.

Ah the voice of reason arrives.  TFFT!  Of course Fuby you need to remember some people just come into these threads for a good argument.  Sad I know but a fact of forum life I'm afraid. Still if it keeps them from pi$$ing off someone else somewhere then I suppose it has served a purpose.

 

I know I know, but I get tired of the instant winter tyres threads attacking. I don't care if someone does or does not use or want to use them personally. But where misinformation and general ignorance of fact / reality starts mixing where it could deswade people genuinely looking to find out more to try and make an informed decision........ It would be like me going into the Lego thread and slagging off everyone in there when it's not my concern as it doesn't apply to me. Only thing is technically if people care to admit it or not, there is a real life saving / safety aspect to this topic, thus it should just be left alone IMO and not trolled as it always is.

Title of thread : '7 degrees this morning got your winters on yet?'

 

Main content of thread = People to which it doesn't apply trying to justify their position........ 

 

"we don't get enough snow" / "ive not needed them before" / "I just know how to drive"....... To all these type of boring most repeatedly posted comments as has been pointed out time and time again inc in the title...... 7Deg and lower is where the benefit / claimed benefit is. So why insist on going on about snow and ice on roads or sub zero temps, as if that is the only time there is a claimed benefit, when it's simply not the case? It's just irrelevant and in the wake of it having been pointed out, is just an embarrassingly weak argument to attempt. I doubt anyone truly believes that there are no benefits to the specific seasonal tyres for better control regardless of if the individual does or does not feel the need to get them personally. I don't see why in a thread asking if those with them have started using them yet with a dip in temps, that all the same old *******s gets slabbered around the place again. Why not go back to one of the other dozen or more threads that have already been hijacked for that purpose and leave the winter rubbery folk to it in this one? 

 

See your proposed new home here: http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/373316-i-dont-need-winter-tyres-because-i-am-so-awesome-thread/

 

 

 

 

U just jealous coz this thread got more replies than yours!     

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Just kidding

 

I think the point is we just got too much time on our hands

 

too much to moan about

 

love to digress

 

gets people together to talk, discuss, banter and yes, nag nag nag and repetitive comments again and again 

 

but....its all good fun and banter at the end of the day

 

even u couldn't resist and joined in!  :peek:  :peek:  :peek: 

U just jealous coz this thread got more replies than yours!     

 

 

Ironically the other thread was less than an hour old when you posted that. Now that it is almost a day old it seems to have overtaken on post count on this 3 day old one lol. My work 'there' is done :cocktail:

 

Now we have some peace for folk to discuss winter tyre business in line with the title again.

 

Octy = 4X new all seasons on last month

 

Fabia = 2X new summers on front + 2X 3mm left summers on rear.

 

Considering holding on to the Octy (tax due end of Oct) and putting it on a multi car policy so I have the use of it over the winter as the best tool for the job (pretty isolated area untreated roads in winter) and keep the wee furby (taxing tomorrow) nice and salt free.  

Winters not on yet as for the moment enjoying the late summer 23C here & loving it................. :sun:

All season tyres have been out for years, it's just all this hype from Michelin, (who are a very latecomer to the party), making out that they have invented the all season tyre and they are a new thing.

True that.

Ive got vector 4 seasons on mine. Judging by the hype though.. Id of had the Crossclimates if they were out last year when i bought the vectors. Ive not heard a bad word said yet haha.

I liked

 

http://www.crossclimate.michelin.co.uk/experience/?skipintro=true#xtor=AD-6655441[DCM_Campaign]-8735850-118348793--[N8519.488081AUTOCLUBSINTERNATION]--&utm_campaign=MI_LO_UK_TCRE_GENPOLY-AMPLIFY_2005-2006_2015&utm_medium=display-banner&utm_content=Amplify_1x1

I usually stick mine on at start of December, unless there's signs of wintry weather beforehand.

 

IMHO you only reeally start to notice the benefits of winter tyres when temps get down close to freezing.

-1.3*oC Yesterday morning at Braemar & 24*oC later in the day.

& around Freezing in some of Scotland and low 20's during the day Yesterday and probably today, which is wonderful.

a 20 Degree variation is quite common in Scotland in Autumn and Winter, and even Spring and Summer.

 

Having the right tyres on is very much about Location Location Location and the vehicle and if you move from around your area and other areas.

Amazingly many actually know what works for them because weather happens every day and year and the Winter type weathe seems to come 

between late September to May in some parts of the country,

which is why the suitable Cold Weather Fuel gets to the filling stations in that areas Mid October till March.

Went for All Season this year.  Got some of them through but still deciding on what to do for the Jaag.

 

Probably go the same way with 16 inch 205s Nexens.

 

Incredibly the Dacia Logan (0.9 litre) and 2.5 litre Jaag both can use 205s for tyres.  

 

Confusing one is FWD and one RWD and one manual and one auto, different driving styles needed.  Where are those paving slabs for the Jaag?