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You are making an assumption based on your own experiences of the climate / weather applying to Norway. I last went there in late May & early June 2014 at which time there was still standing snow on the high ground.

I say again - our climate is completely different.

 

Now who's making assumptions. Cheltenham doesn't get any snow or ice, or even any cool chilly days?

Now who's making assumptions. Cheltenham doesn't get any snow or ice, or even any cool chilly days?

Sorry, what assumptions?

That the climate of the U.K. is different to that of Norway?

That is not an assumption, it is a fact.

As for the local weather, no we have had no snow or ice for at least 2 years, and very few cold days below the magical 7c.

PastyBoy's post above confirms this (he lives about 7 / 8 miles away and works about 2 miles)

Some people put steel wheels on with winter tyres where there is the need for winter tyres because they might

still slide and hit a kerb, steel works or pot holes that have opened up, and sometimes the steel wheel survives 

where some old alloy wheels just do not take the hit. .

But then some old or new steel wheels fair no better.

 

I do this to one of my vehicles but for another reason.

 

My Passat has wide low profile summers on alloys, 235/45x17. With the slightest dusting of snow I can't get it home.

 

The approved VW winter set is 205/55x16. A set of these on steel wheels was cheaper than a set of winter tyres for the alloys and I don't have to pay for change over twice a year. This is pretty common on the continent. Drive through Germany in the winter and steel wheel sets are very common.

 

On our BMW and current Fabia we just change the tyres but on our previous HTP Fabia I had steel wheels and 165 section winters. It was awesome in snow, light weight and narrow winter tyres made it great fun and embarrassed many 4X4's.

 

Looked a bit weird though

 

Lee

Edited 3 October, 201510 yr by logiclee

We change our tyres on the DS4 and the local tyre garage stores the summers over winter..then swaps them over for us....cost is £80 a year

For the MX-5...I have a set of 16" alloys with winter tyres..I swap those over on the drive and store the 17" alloys in the garage..cost is nothing

A place for those who disagree with the use of winter tyres in the UK's climate, rather than hijacking general discussion threads of those who do. 

 

 

If you have a winter in the six counties that like you had in 2010/2011, which is predicted as the El Nino is acting the same way as it did then, you might wanted studded tyres or a snowmobile.

 

 

All seasons put on the steely rims, as Hanah Montana says "The best of Both World". 

I do this to one of my vehicles but for another reason.

My Passat has wide low profile summers on alloys, 235/45x17. With the slightest dusting of snow I can't get it home.

The approved VW winter set is 205/55x16. A set of these on steel wheels was cheaper than a set of winter tyres for the alloys and I don't have to pay for change over twice a year. This is pretty common on the continent. Drive through Germany in the winter and steel wheel sets are very common.

On our BMW and current Fabia we just change the tyres but on our previous HTP Fabia I had steel wheels and 165 section winters. It was awesome in snow, light weight and narrow winter tyres made it great fun and embarrassed many 4X4's.

Looked a bit weird though

Lee

Same size tyre as we ran on a polo HTP.

It was fab. It would go past nearly everything on our peak district roads. It only suffered when it completely grounded out because of the ground clearance.

My fabia with wider 195's and all seasons isnt quite as good as that, but its not bad. Good enough.

Sorry, what assumptions?

That the climate of the U.K. is different to that of Norway?

That is not an assumption, it is a fact.

As for the local weather, no we have had no snow or ice for at least 2 years, and very few cold days below the magical 7c.

PastyBoy's post above confirms this (he lives about 7 / 8 miles away and works about 2 miles)

Same around here.

If you live somewhere which suffers extreme snow/ice/rain with regular temps below the mythical 7C then fine. Unlike most of central Europe we don't get guaranteed weather each and every year.

For the majority of the UK, especially around the cost, central areas and East Anglia conditions won't warrant winter tyres.

If you do lots of miles they'll be cost effective, but most will need chucking them for being 4 years old with relatively low mileage on making them a very expensive option.

Then there's storage. Not everyone will store their tyres/wheels correctly risking damage (even more so if swapping just the tyres), and not everyone has room for 4 wheels and tyres.

If you live somewhere with the right weather extremes pretty much every day, that's fine. If you don't but what to feel safe & cosy, that's also fine.

For the rest of us normal tyres are fine for a UK winter.

Norway is also a country very much differing in weather.

Look at the map of Norway and you will see how far North it goes and how far south, and you might notice the South of Norway is further south than the top 1/3rd of Mainland Scotland then the Orkney and Shetland Islands are quite far north.

The British Isles are generally quite mild seeing as they do sit surrounded by sea though.

 

It was De-icer or Warm Water morning in some of Scotland this morning, but it really is not a Cold Weather / Winter time yet,

but not far off it for some that are not on Trunk Roads, Main Routes or routes that even get treated,

or maybe not treated at Weekends.

As we all know It is a Location Location Location kind of thing as to where people might need to use winter tyres.

Well my son up in Forfar will definitely be using winters as the totalled his A5 last year !

Well my son up in Forfar will definitely be using winters as the totalled his A5 last year !

I'd say Scotland, parts of Wales and North of the pennines winters are valid.

Between the pennines and Birmingham questionable as to the need/benefits.

Most eastern, central, and areas south of the M4 won't see sustained winter weather for more than a few days at most. Most will see averages above 7C.

Within a few miles of any coast also shouldn't get the extremes to warrant winters either.

I'd say Scotland, parts of Wales and North of the pennines winters are valid.

Between the pennines and Birmingham questionable as to the need/benefits.

Most eastern, central, and areas south of the M4 won't see sustained winter weather for more than a few days at most. Most will see averages above 7C.

Within a few miles of any coast also shouldn't get the extremes to warrant winters either.

all this is, of course, dependent on whether you read the Daily Express or not

 

Snowmageddon is in most of the red tops most years.

 

Utterly meaningless. If they say it every year then every so often they get to say they were right.

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I'd say Scotland, parts of Wales and North of the pennines winters are valid.

Between the pennines and Birmingham questionable as to the need/benefits.

Most eastern, central, and areas south of the M4 won't see sustained winter weather for more than a few days at most. Most will see averages above 7C.

Within a few miles of any coast also shouldn't get the extremes to warrant winters either.

 

 

This is Saltburn. You can see the sea in the background.

 

Bus has winter tyres on...

This is Saltburn. You can see the sea in the background.

 

Bus has winter tyres on...

on second thoughts, I may take the RS3s off and put the Ultragrip 8s on if the weather warrants it; there's no way I'm gettin' on a feckin bus

I'd say Scotland, parts of Wales and North of the pennines winters are valid.

Between the pennines and Birmingham questionable as to the need/benefits.

Most eastern, central, and areas south of the M4 won't see sustained winter weather for more than a few days at most. Most will see averages above 7C.

Within a few miles of any coast also shouldn't get the extremes to warrant winters either.

 

You forgot about the peak district and higher points of Derbyshire and Notts. which is very much in the midlands. 

 

Winter Tyres very much a must.

 

I'd say Scotland, parts of Wales and North of the pennines winters are valid.

Between the pennines and Birmingham questionable as to the need/benefits.

Most eastern, central, and areas south of the M4 won't see sustained winter weather for more than a few days at most. Most will see averages above 7C.

Within a few miles of any coast also shouldn't get the extremes to warrant winters either.

Agree sections of the uk could do with winters but unless legislation comes people will not use them, however I will think of putting on all weather tyres next time, but my contis Eco tyres on this golf from new have done 42k and still going

You forgot about the peak district and higher points of Derbyshire and Notts. which is very much in the midlands.

Winter Tyres very much a must.

But in reality how many days a year is it like that?

Does that happen every year?

The parts of Europe who have winter tyre laws see sub zero temps, ice and snow almost every day between the end of October through to March EVERY year.

We last had significant snow round here about 5 years ago, and before that was nearly a decade previous.

The deep snow might not fall and stay long in much of the UK,

but if you look at the 'Cold Weather Payment' Trigger Statistics for the past 4 Winters in the UK, 

you see where there were and how many Post Code areas with an Average 0*oC for 7 consecutive days occurred.

('Recorded as or Forecast', so it does not always happen, but also the Average Zero might last 6 days and no payment is made.)

 

Not always meaning the roads were wet, or icy or snow covered, but the ground & air temps will have been cold.

 

http://gov.uk/government/collections/cold-weather-payments-statistics-2014-to-2015

But in reality how many days a year is it like that?

Does that happen every year?

The parts of Europe who have winter tyre laws see sub zero temps, ice and snow almost every day between the end of October through to March EVERY year.

We last had significant snow round here about 5 years ago, and before that was nearly a decade previous.

 

Most years I have problems 

 

Last Year

 

 

Year before.

 

 

I didn't start with winters until 2009, spent hours with snow shovels before that.

 

Two streets away from where I live two lads got stuck and died sleeping in their car overnight.

There is a lot of talk that the UK climate doesn't require winter tyres. So I'm going to turn that upside down. Does the UK climate really justify summer tyres? We don't get more than a few really hot days.

There is a lot of talk that the UK climate doesn't require winter tyres. So I'm going to turn that upside down. Does the UK climate really justify summer tyres? We don't get more than a few really hot days.

All weather is the way I reckon

Most years I have problems 

 

Last Year

 

 

Year before.

 

 

I didn't start with winters until 2009, spent hours with snow shovels before that.

 

Two streets away from where I live two lads got stuck and died sleeping in their car overnight.

God thats awful so sad :(

OK, just out of interest, if you run winter tyres....

A. Do you have to change all four it can you just change the fronts?

B. Back in the old days, I had what were effectively remould rally pattern tyres that were nice and thin (for my Mk 2 escort) & I carried a trolley jack in the bit for changeovers. Since i believe that remoulds are no longer available, can you buy some cheap, thin tyres for cutting through snow rather than winter spec tyres?

C. I have a Focus on 17" wheels as well as a fabia on 15". Is it OK to run, temporarily, with different sized wheels - I.E does the abs ECU complain about sued differences due to rolling circumference?) What I mean is buying some generic 16" steel wheels to use on either...

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Edited 4 October, 201510 yr by briscaF1