As has been pointed out a few times already there is a common misconception that winter tyres are only useful in the snow.

 

The clue is in their name.

 

We barely get a winter now even in the north-east. They are a total waste of money. 

A waste of effort, perhaps, depending on your own experiences. You haven't crashed yet.

 

A waste of money? I can't agree there.

 

Winter tyres are used as an alternative to summer tyres, not at the same time. Yes there is an upfront cost that is required to buy winter tyres but as has been mentioned earlier in this thread that cost is extended over a much longer period of time as your summer tyres aren't being worn whilst you are running the winters.

 

The only real argument for not using winter tyres is if you...

 

1) don't have those upfront funds.

2) have no where to store a second set of wheels and tyres.

3) or the average temperature during the winter months rarely falls below 7 degrees Celsius.

 

Here in York during the winter at 7am when I set off to work and at 6pm at night when I get home it is regularly cold enough for winter tyres to be more effective than summer tyres, which for me is enough of a reason to allocate a corner of my garage / shed for their storage.

 

It's the second week of October and I had to scrape ice off the windscreen yesterday morning.  

But is it meant to be and will the plane take off?

 

Do planes have winter tyres? They wouldn't be grounded in snow if they did?

 

 

 

The only real argument for not using winter tyres is if you...

 

1) don't have those upfront funds.

2) have no where to store a second set of wheels and tyres.

3) or the average temperature during the winter months rarely falls below 7 degrees Celsius.

 

 

 

4) Drive a company car/lease car and your employer/lease company won't allow, or fund, winter tyres (regardless of the argument)

Was an AO in Dept of Transport two decades ago.  Since Customs, Big 4, software house and top 10 logistic company now paid similarly to a Superintendent ie £70K.

 

Good to hear you will act responsibly during the winter.

 

Still atop of the Ivory Tower I notice. Which of those exalted titles gives you the right to call people kn*bs? During your tape holding days I was a Police accident investigator and advanced vehicle examiner, and if I consider myself out of the loop due to time, where does that put you? Just because your pay grade is that of a Suprintendent (Parks, Crematoria or Police, you don't say) it doesn't give you any qualifications to give evidence of opinion.

I always act responsibly in winter, and the other three seasons. I'm a Northern monkey, if it goes below -10 I consider putting a shirt on. (but I always wear a shirt in summer lest I burn red and look like a I'm wearing a Man Utd top)

Still atop of the Ivory Tower I notice. Which of those exalted titles gives you the right to call people kn*bs? During your tape holding days I was a Police accident investigator and advanced vehicle examiner, and if I consider myself out of the loop due to time, where does that put you? Just because your pay grade is that of a Suprintendent (Parks, Crematoria or Police, you don't say) it doesn't give you any qualifications to give evidence of opinion.

I always act responsibly in winter, and the other three seasons. I'm a Northern monkey, if it goes below -10 I consider putting a shirt on. (but I always wear a shirt in summer lest I burn red and look like a I'm wearing a Man Utd top)

 

I wouldn't worry, an AO is only the second step up on the lowest Civil Service grades, (see my posting above).

Apparently a Bewick swan has arrived early somewhere.

The Daily Express says we're going to have the worst winter for 50 years.

....Don't Panic...Don't Panic...

Apparently a Bewick swan has arrived early somewhere.

The Daily Express says we're going to have the worst winter for 50 years.

....Don't Panic...Don't Panic...

It's not like the DE to scaremonger re cold weather, is it?

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/373316-i-dont-need-winter-tyres-because-i-am-so-awesome-thread/?p=4399998

Do planes have winter tyres? They wouldn't be grounded in snow if they did?

 

 

 

4) Drive a company car/lease car and your employer/lease company won't allow, or fund, winter tyres (regardless of the argument)

 5) So awesome you don't need winter tyres

Planes don't have winter tyres, a plucky crew member is dangled out of the luggage bay attached by a bunjay strap, they attach snow socks, as and when required. When this goes wrong and they fall off in to someones garden it is blamed on illegal immigrants hiding in the wheel bays, (purely to enrage Nigel Farage).

 

Conspiricy theories, who needs 'em? I've got a head full.

Edited 13 October, 201510 yr by P6bJOHN

I like it, to wrap around the neck of the plonker in front blocking the road slithering around on his summers, right?

No, seriously, to tow them out of the way!?

Just kidding, chains or socks, just don't do what this kid did, spot the deliberate mistake...

I'm not convinced that was a mistake. I had a 1 series for 4 years and the front end was always a bit....understeery. In the right conditions I'd rather have the improved grip on the front. If you have naff all steering, which they definitely do in the snow, I'd rather not propel myself at speed in a straight line.

Mind you, in snow you might as well not even bother leaving the house....

Edited 13 October, 201510 yr by Mallettsmallett

Well, got my winters on today.

Let there be snow!

Ooo, studs!

OMG What have I started? I made a tongue in cheek comment about the plane taking off, to PP (it was a reference to a thread that got out of control, which asked the question about a plane on a treadmill......Google it!)  it was NOT meant to have any reference to whether aeroplanes use winter tyres or not

 

 

 

 

Good grief!

Edited 13 October, 201510 yr by Lady Elanore

Yep, awesome if you are stuck in the 50s. 

We are living in 2015, with cars having four or more times the power of the old 1.1 Escort.

Also weight has gone up. 

Tyre technologie is different. Means, we have much more high speed tyres and they dont cope with cold weather.

At least not as good as the old 155/70 SR 13 wheels we used to drive.

 

Lot of threads about big brakes, how do you think a brake can put the negative power down without grip?

 

I am driving more than 35 years now. Doing an average of 35-50tkm a year. I am glad if my car can cope with the conditions I have to drive in.

Means: I am driving Quattro AND winter tyres. Yep, you may call me pussy! (if I am already safe at home and you are still trying to get up a slope).

 

I like the plane analogy. No need for winters.

 

Instead of driven wheels we could have Jet engines and thrust, no issues with traction off the line.

 

And we could drive about so fast we could keep straight using the rudder on the back.

 

And the council would need to keep the roads totally clear for us to drive on, same as the airports.

 

Lee

Went to Iceland in February

The runway was covered in snow

No issues at all

I like the plane analogy. No need for winters.

Instead of driven wheels we could have Jet engines and thrust, no issues with traction off the line.

And we could drive about so fast we could keep straight using the rudder on the back.

And the council would need to keep the roads totally clear for us to drive on, same as the airports.

Lee

And to stop, just open the doors and use them as airbrakes.

Not just the daily express, our local rag at it too.

 

http://www.chad.co.uk/news/local/weather-warning-months-of-heavy-snowfall-forecast-1-7509947

 

Edited 13 October, 201510 yr by logiclee

And to stop, just open the doors and use them as airbrakes.

 

Or a Veyron style rear wing?

Or a Veyron style rear wing?

Just pop the trunk. Even better if you have an Estate :p

And Norwegian media also reports a very cold winter. Seems like the chaps at accuweather has predictet it. And I live so far north its not even on that map :-/

Edited 13 October, 201510 yr by Gromle

Seasonable for us, so the usual wet and cloudy

there were quite a lot of geese landing near us today. Maybe that paper's right?

Two decades ago the grading structure in the Civil Service started at Admin Assistant (AA) then to Admin Officer (AO), Exec Officer (EO), HIgher Exec Oficer (HEO), Senior Exec Officer (SEO) then Principal, so that proves nothing.

I worked my way from AA to EO before I left in that era!

Still the same grading when i left in June.

We barely get a winter now even in the north-east. They are a total waste of money.

Its 5 degrees out there now ion the tops. (in Derbyshire anyway).

Winters already holding their own and it isnt even November yet.

I like grip. Grip is my friend.

Still the same grading when i left in June.

 

I gather there are some changes now with more formal apprenticeships and accelerated grade progression for those who have degrees etc.   I spent less than a year as an AO before proceeding to an EO with Customs by doing the Civil Service Commission Open Competition.  Risk is getting allocated to a Department you do not want.  I wanted to stay in DtP or move to HM Customs and stay in SW and was luck to do so but could have gone anyway.  Civil Service are/were good at sponsoring degree which I did with an Honours Degree program (even when you choose non Department subjects ie Computing, Fluid Mechanics, Thermodynamic, Systems Failures and Asian-Pacific P&E in my case) which was 80 to 100% funded by the Department.  Sure that helped to get the big bucks outside the Civil Service.  Like Doctor, Nursing, Teaching, HMRC, wages have really suffered in the last 6 years, down some 15% in real terms compared to inflation so no wonder people people leaving/retiring in droves to go agency or work full time in the private sector.

 

Anyway last of the cars moved on to All weather or winters yesterday except the Jaaaag and that being RWD and just the occasional use can wait until end of month but still will cost way less than £200 to change to All Seasons as tyres are only 205-16 inch using the very good Nexen N Priz 4S All Seasons, B wet grip rated.

https://www.tyreleader.co.uk/car-tyres-205-60-16/?s=G&m%5B21%5D=on