EV myth busting by SpeakEV community:

https://speakev.com/threads/just-had-this-link-emailed-from-the-rac.95601 

 

Lithium mining is bad - So oil mining and fracking presumably do no harm ?
Power from coal - UK is 0% coal at time of righting and I think the peak is now less than 20% in dire times.
Tyre and brake particulates - I seem to remember paying for replacement tyres and brake pads on my ICE so I assume they wear them out as well but you would not think so reading the articles.
Grid wont cope with peak demand - Previous trials already to overcome this. Fortunately the majority of those buying EV's at the moment have a modicum of sense and many already charge on E7 or overnight anyway.
Recycling Batteries (90% lead recycled and only 5% lithium) - Most cars go to the scrappy at the end of life and the battery will be one of the first things removed. Every tip (or recycling centre as now know) has a section for batteries. What is surprising is 10% are not recycled, I assume these are the cars that are torched by oiks or crashed and the battery is damaged. As above, manufacturers are already investigating deploying used batteries for storage although I suggest there is a limited supply. As far as I am aware, Nissan have not yet replaced a battery in Europe under warranty. Look on the internet and you will find many crashed leaf batteries redeployed to power peoples houses on a DIY basis, not to mention the Nissan power wall equivalent which is supposed to use recycled cells.
Battery replacement - Very few replaced and no different to the cost of a gearbox or engine rebuild.

 

 

31 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

EV myth busting by SpeakEV community:

https://speakev.com/threads/just-had-this-link-emailed-from-the-rac.95601 

 

 

 

 

 

Again both sides getting facts wrong......

 

One person in the RAC comments extolling the advantages of EV states that EV's don't have gearboxes or propshafts.....

 

err..WRONG....most EV still have the drive units in the engine bay & have a final drive gearbox & propshafts from this to the wheels as per an ICE car.......

 

"in wheel" electric motors are a long way off from mass production due to cost & massive handling problems due to increased unsprung weight etc...

Driven using the regenerative braking system is the way to go for me.

8 hours ago, fabdavrav said:

 

Again both sides getting facts wrong......

 

One person in the RAC comments extolling the advantages of EV states that EV's don't have gearboxes or propshafts.....

 

err..WRONG....most EV still have the drive units in the engine bay & have a final drive gearbox & propshafts from this to the wheels as per an ICE car.......

 

"in wheel" electric motors are a long way off from mass production due to cost & massive handling problems due to increased unsprung weight etc...

Motor in wheel is never going to work unless basic physics are bypassed.

My Cit just got its first service and cost almost $500 for oil/filter and a cabin filter and ‘checks’.    I road test it every drive and with a second car’s free servicing, it’ll only be annual now.

Norway’s all electric domestic ‘flight plans’ -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/18/norway-electric-flight/

Time will tell how the technology develops.

City Cars or transport having their own needs, 2 wheel drive or even 1 wheel drive with a Trike, and maybe just the rear wheel driven.

 

 

Edited 19 January, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

Australian plans for BEV production......in spite of Conservatives 

https://electrek.co/2018/01/22/billionaire-plans-build-electric-cars-gm-factory-australia/

VW trucking plans -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/25/vw-scania-northvolt-battery-gigafactory-former-tesla-execs/#more-60849

A North East of Scotland Builder / Developer is doing the smart thing.

Up where renewable electricity should be plentiful, and the tariffs cheaper for standard electricity, but is actually more expensive than in the south.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-42832175 

Issues with Cobalt prices and mining practices coming to the fore now...   needed for all the batteries...

 

https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-cobalt-batteries/?cmpid=socialflow-linkedin-business+&utm_content=business&utm_campaign=socialflow-organic&utm_source=linkedin&utm_medium=social

37 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

A North East of Scotland Builder / Developer is doing the smart thing.

Up where renewable electricity should be plentiful, and the tariffs cheaper for standard electricity, but is actually more expensive than in the south.

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-42832175 

 

Springfield properties...wouldn't touch with a barge pole...

 

Besides that Perth was the HQ of the old Hydro board & numerous High Voltage circuits run through..... like the highest 275Kv & 400Kv circuits....

 

I'd like to see them build charging points in every house on some of their other developments in other places in Scotland......

 

.....oh wait they can't because the nearest main grid is just a 132kV circuit & that's already near max capacity.......(just go back a few pages where I show calcs on this as I used to work for the Hydro Board)..

 

 

Ah well, the Fair City is going to be a Low Emissions Hub for Transport in Central Scotland & on the A9 Electric Route.

Very much a commuter city & the true Gateway to the Highlands for Tourists,

but with one of Scotland's highest polluted roads in the centre.

Any increased uptake of EV users will be a good thing surely.

Perth should be a good place for those new Car Parking & Charging Facilities and people heading up the A9.

Plenty Dealerships along the Motor Mile with sites that can be used for other uses if up to 50% of car dealerships are to close by 2025.

 

 

European funds awarded to low carbon travel hubs across Scotland _ Clean Energy News.mhtml

Tay Eco-Valley _ Invest In Perth.mhtml

Edited 26 January, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

It seems the cobalt/nickel/lithium situation in Australia is powering our dollar.    To find it, you just need to start looking, it seems in Australia.

Yes please and not too far away either -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/26/tesla-powerwall-community/

Conservatively 150 mile range with the 2018 Leaf -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/26/new-nissan-leaf-2018-official-epa-rating/

There goes Lutz again -

http://www.caradvice.com.au/616959/bob-lutz-i-suggest-buying-a-model-s-while-theyre-still-available/

Mercedes plans and much more -

https://us9.campaign-archive.com/?e=87fda1886a&u=53ec2d4dd6eb242346cdddfa2&id=bdb813e7e8

BP charging points now -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/30/bp-oil-giant-invest-electric-vehicle-charging/

Some of our EV buses.  

 

Future is combining Super-capacitors with Batteries.  

 

http://www.straitstimes.com/singapore/ntu-to-test-fast-charging-shuttle-with-bluesg

 

NTU to test fast-charging shuttle with BlueSG

 

 

Its fast charging is achieved through the use of supercapacitors, which have longer lifespan than lithium-ion batteries and 10 times the energy density.

While the use of a supercapacitor limits the shuttle to travelling only 2km on a single charge, it also has a backup battery that will allow it to travel for an additional 30km.

 

^^^   hardly a bus in the true sense of the word - only 22 seats and they even call it a 'shuttle'...

 

Technology looks interesting though!

21 hours ago, skomaz said:

^^^   hardly a bus in the true sense of the word - only 22 seats and they even call it a 'shuttle'...

 

Technology looks interesting though!

 

We do make 6 and 12 metre buses similar to this and use them in Paris up and down the Champs Illeasy.

 

Be good if EV cars etc had a dozen EV cells, a combo of battery and Super capacitors the owner/operator could choose the mix of range (battery) versus fast charging (SC) .

 

 

^^^^

Being electrically challenged, could SCs do the initial grunt from stationary and then the batteries take over for range, or would that complicate charging too much?.

Edited 1 February, 20188 yr by Ryeman

Dealerships are worrying about loss of servicing revenue - for me a major reason to buy:

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115091_dealers-start-to-worry-about-ebbing-repair-income-from-electric-cars

On 2/1/2018 at 21:10, Ryeman said:

^^^^

Being electrically challenged, could SCs do the initial grunt from stationary and then the batteries take over for range, or would that complicate charging too much?.

 

There are more Super capacitors in cars anyways ie regen brakes etc.

   

Super capacitors can give better acceleration and can charge quicker than a diesel/petrol car taking on energy but their bulk and cost are relatively high at the moment but coming down quickly unlike hydrocarbons which have been going up over the last couple of years. 

 

Just a matter of time.

 

 

 

......and that’s the problem with constant rapid change - the fear of buying something technically completely out of date the day you take delivery.