11 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Cold weather range study -

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1114660_german-magazine-compares-real-world-electric-car-ranges-efficiencies-in-cold-weather

 

Not surprised to see the Renault Zoe romped it......

Honorable mention doe the Ioniq for its efficiency.  

 

 

 

Electric car	Range	Efficiency
Volkswagen e-up (18,7 kwh)	79 km	23.7 kwh/100 km
Smart ForTwo Electric Drive (17,6 kwh)	84 km	21.0 kwh/100 km
Nissan e-NV200 Evalia (24kwh)	101 km	23.8 kwh/100 km
Kia Soul EV (30 kwh)	167 km	18.0 kwh/100 km
Hyundai Ioniq Electric (28 kwh usable)	192 km	14.6 kwh/100 km
Volkswagen e-Golf (35,8 kwh)	208 km	17.2 kwh/100 km
Renault Zoe (41 kwh)	244 km	16.8 kwh/100 km

Edited 10 January, 20188 yr by lol-lol

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Why is a Nissan Leaf not there but a Nissan Electric Van / People Carrier is?

 

 

Edited 10 January, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

 

We are getting a BIG battery too -

https://theconversation.com/a-month-in-teslas-sa-battery-is-surpassing-expectations-89770?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Latest from The Conversation for January 11 2018 - 92027806&utm_content=Latest from The Conversation for January 11 2018 - 92027806+CID_89945028a0ff14c0f1dc94fb14ab7cac&utm_source=campaign_monitor&utm_term=A month in Teslas SA battery is surpassing expectations

Bloomberg give BEVs a tick -

http://premium.goauto.com.au/fast-growth-evs/

Best thing about the new nissan leaf (apart from not looking like a squashed frog) is that if you want to do a long journey nissan will lend you an ICE car for free! But, only in the first 3yrs new ownership. It's a great idea though.

ICE ‘rentals’ would be a logical expectation, if only for the inner hoon perhaps  

14 hours ago, amwphotos said:

Best thing about the new nissan leaf (apart from not looking like a squashed frog) is that if you want to do a long journey nissan will lend you an ICE car for free! But, only in the first 3yrs new ownership. It's a great idea though.

Some people buying used also got this offer. It depends on the dealership, Westway offered this while Nissan Retail didn't. I bought from the latter because ultimately they were cheaper and I had a ICE car. Also their free ICE car offer is only for 2 weeks. If you, like me, do weekend trips every month, 14 days is no longer enough.

 

But, yes. long distance vehicle (ICE or Teslas) rentals with space to park your EV need to become a thing. Most people don't drive their cars very far most of the time, so why own a car that is capable of 400+ miles? Only reason I can think of is due to refuelling needs can't be easily done daily. EV solves that so its range isn't really an issue.

Blimey how some things change in a short period of time! I had my heart set on a full on BEV for our next car but trying to change my wifes mind on getting one has been really hard work, There is no rhyme or reason to her distrust of them although they would meet our driving needs perfectly since we're both retired.

 

She has come into a little  bit of money from her mothers side of the family & with the the kitty I've been saving up over the space of a couple of years a compromise was reached.

 

We will shortly be going to the KIA dealership to test drive the new Niro hybrid to see if comes up to muster.

My wife also didn't buy into BEV. But after owning a Leaf for a few months, she now much prefers driving the Leaf, it suits her perfectly as she doesn't drive far away from home. Best parts she like are pre-heating, quietness, smoothness and regenerative braking. Also the fact she no longer has to nag me to go buy fuel, just plug it in.

 

But if you are a 1 car household, the rapid charging infrastructure is still not ready yet, still not as reliable and readily available as petrol stations. You can't really rely on your car beyond its battery range, so you'll need an ICE car.

 

 

Kia Niro is based on the same platform as Hyundai Ioniq. It's a good platform, very efficient. But it's worse than a Prius in the sense it's got a normal dual-clutch gearbox, unlike Prius' low maintenance proven e-CTV. Do consider the PHEV version, if you drive less than 30 miles a day, you'll not need to buy petrol for a long time.

4 hours ago, wyx087 said:

My wife also didn't buy into BEV. But after owning a Leaf for a few months, she now much prefers driving the Leaf, it suits her perfectly as she doesn't drive far away from home. Best parts she like are pre-heating, quietness, smoothness and regenerative braking. Also the fact she no longer has to nag me to go buy fuel, just plug it in.

 

But if you are a 1 car household, the rapid charging infrastructure is still not ready yet, still not as reliable and readily available as petrol stations. You can't really rely on your car beyond its battery range, so you'll need an ICE car.

 

 

Kia Niro is based on the same platform as Hyundai Ioniq. It's a good platform, very efficient. But it's worse than a Prius in the sense it's got a normal dual-clutch gearbox, unlike Prius' low maintenance proven e-CTV. Do consider the PHEV version, if you drive less than 30 miles a day, you'll not need to buy petrol for a long time.

 

 

Yes I would have loved the PHEV version of the Niro but twas not to be, It was just outside of our spend limit. We both loved the test drive of the Hybrid '3' model and ordered one. it's very smooth and shifts seamlessly from EV mode to petrol mode, very weird to hear the petrol engine stop at the lights then move away quietly in electric mode, I'm not used to these new tech cars as I've only even driven old/classic cars all my life so it will be a learning curve to get to know what everything does. so as a compromise EV goes I'm more than satisfied with this model.

Electric ships too............well,

Barges -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/12/large-tesla-ships-all-electric-barges/

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

Electric ships too............well,

Barges -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/12/large-tesla-ships-all-electric-barges/

 

 

That is a very cool looking design indeed, I love it.

Barriers to ownership.........?

 

Once a upon time ICE was your In Car Entertainment (or stereo) now it is Internal Combustion Engine. How times change.

10 minutes ago, threadbear said:

Once a upon time ICE was your In Car Entertainment (or stereo) now it is Internal Combustion Engine. How times change.

I think that ICE is referred to as connectivity these social media obsessed days.

A right ol’ creek jumper -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/15/tesla-model-3-jumps-creek-major-accident/

Samsung’s battery advances -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/15/samsung-sdi-new-batteries-electric-car-range-charging-capacity/#more-60206

More Electrek articles! You've missed this one for battery tech: https://electrek.co/2018/01/14/teslas-massive-battery-in-australia-was-paid-up-to-1000-mwh-to-charge-itself/

 

Yesterday, Saturday 13th, in South Australia the Tesla battery at Hornsdale Power Reserve was paid AU$1,000/MWh (USD$790/MWh) to absorb excess electricity from the power grid. The battery owners will later be able to sell this energy also.

 

With such big batteries, we will be able to build power plants for overall energy usage. We no longer need to build power plants for peak demand.

 

Same can be done at a local scale to smooth out demands, like I've said many pages ago.

On ‎26‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 13:44, wyx087 said:

There are multiple ways to distribute the load:

1. across time by increase peak time electricity rates

2. across sources by pay people who help out using their connected batteries

3. across wider time period by paying people to charge their battery when excess generations

 

The future doesn't have to all come from big power stations, large substations and thick cables. Batteries in EV are not the problem, but the solution. That is what I'm trying to get across.

 

Speaking of the solution, here is OVO and Nissan's offering: https://www.cleanenergynews.co.uk/news/transport/ovo-and-nissan-partner-on-v2g-and-home-storage-offer  Same idea as the big Aussie battery, just on a smaller scale using existing batteries.

 

The V2G offering, enabling drivers to sell energy to the grid from their electric vehicles, will be designed to allow LEAF owners to connect to the grid and charge at a period of low-demand and therefore cheaper tariff periods.

 

The CHADemo charging standard allows V2G, but EU is pushing the CCS standard with most car manufacturers, including Tesla, onboard. CCS currently doesn't support V2G, but hopefully it will do in near future. So don't run out and buy the OVO offer yet, it'll be obsolete in the future.

 

Before you ask, battery degradation is not really in issue as long as you don't operate near extremes. Current 2013-2017 Leaf battery are known to have 100k+ miles (a Cornwall taxi Leaf) with similar degradation as those that has been driven very little. The age is the biggest factor, so might as well use it as much as possible. A parked car is a wasted resource.

Electricity supplier leads the charge for infrastructure in California 

not all that surprising I guess -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/17/pge-new-program-7500-ev-chargers/

Ford’s electric move -

https://www.wired.com/story/ford-electric-cars-plan-mach-1-suv/

33 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

Ford’s electric move -

https://www.wired.com/story/ford-electric-cars-plan-mach-1-suv/

 

 

Are they going green because they're about to get stung like the VW dieselgate scandal?  They've never really pushed their EV/hybrid cars unless it was for compliance purposes. I wonder if they will come down hard on an American company as they did with VW!   https://jalopnik.com/lawsuit-accuses-ford-of-cheating-diesel-emissions-on-50-1821962910

Edited 18 January, 20188 yr by lancpudn

1 minute ago, lancpudn said:

 

 

Are they going green because they're about to get stung like the VW dieselgate scandal?  They've never really pushed their EV/hybrid cars unless it was for compliance purposes. I wonder if they will come down hard on an American company as they did with VW!   https://jalopnik.com/lawsuit-accuses-ford-of-cheating-diesel-emissions-on-50-1821962910

Amazingly Ford’s F series trucks have just discovered diesel power.......a bit late you’d think.

Just now, Ryeman said:

Amazingly Ford’s F series trucks have just discovered diesel power.......a bit late you’d think.

 

 

I wonder if they will be taking these trucks off the road like they did with VAG vehicles?

3 minutes ago, lancpudn said:

 

 

I wonder if they will be taking these trucks off the road like they did with VAG vehicles?

I don’t think Ford would want a class action going through their court system.

The SCR move post dates the VAG scam.