I've just been reading the EU want a further 30% reduction in vehicle emissions from car manufacturers before 2030 in order for EU car manufacturers to keep up with China's growth in battery development or become uncompetitive https://insideevs.com/european-union-aims-to-close-electric-car-gap-with-china/

For what it's worth, I recently was in Shenzhen China for a couple of days and I've never seen so many electric cars.

20 minutes ago, wonkyewok said:

For what it's worth, I recently was in Shenzhen China for a couple of days and I've never seen so many electric cars.

All being fuelled by coal fired power plants?

Don't know what the balance of generation is there.

1 minute ago, mac11irl said:

All being fuelled by coal fired power plants?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

China sees renewables as a source of

energy security and not just only to reduce carbon emission.^[2] China’s Action Plan for the Prevention and Control of Air Pollution issued by China’s State Council in September 2013, illustrates the government's desire to increase the share of renewables in China’s energy mix.^[3] Unlike oil, coal and gas, the supplies of which are finite and subject to geopolitical tensions, renewable energy systems can be built and used wherever there is sufficient water, wind, and sun.^[4]

 

There is no  step change, gradual EV update will go together with gradually more renewable generation. As long as there's intent from policy makers, the future looks bright.

6 hours ago, wyx087 said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewable_energy_in_China

 

 

 

There is no  step change, gradual EV update will go together with gradually more renewable generation. As long as there's intent from policy makers, the future looks bright.

Yep

Trump is doing his best to make China the new world leader in everything except contested elections.

5 year plans that they can actually deliver on.

 

Another interesting source via green car reports -

https://electrek.co/

10 hours ago, MoggyTech said:

To put DPF replacement into context regarding cost, assuming you had to replace the DPF at 100,000 miles, that's 1 Pence per mile additional running costs.  If you add up servicing and maintenance like brakes and filters, oil, tyres, that will be far more than £1000. Sure it's an added expense having the DPF but £1000 in say six years after purchase is hardly the end of the World. 

 

Given the latest Intel CPU vulnerabilities that have come to light, I wonder what shocks electric car owners are in for down the line. Simple law of a mechanic states. "If it's got wheels or boobs it will cause you problems."

 

It'd be wrong to derail the DPF thread, but this belongs here.

 

The "shock" EV drivers get will only be degraded battery that is visible whenever you drive the car through the remaining range meter or the battery capacity gauge. Surprises on diesel Internal Combustion engine includes hidden DPF filling up, hidden EGR, DMF random failure, clutch failure, gearbox errors. Let's not forget the 12v batteries surprise when trying to crank the engine in the cold.

 

There's also the added maintenance cost on ICE compared to EV: engine oil changes, oil filter, engine air filter. That's £100 per year just to keep the ICE in good shape. There's zero servicing needed on EV drive train.

 

We haven't gotten to the fuel costs yet.

 

 

Unfortunately what most people don't realise is that total cost of ownership is already cheaper on an EV, despite it being expensive to buy.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/12/does-lower-total-cost-of-ownership-boost-electric-car-sales/

So for me, this Octavia 3 will be the very last ICE car, need to get rid of it before 150k by the looks of the DPF thread!

2 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

 

It'd be wrong to derail the DPF thread, but this belongs here.

 

The "shock" EV drivers get will only be degraded battery that is visible whenever you drive the car through the remaining range meter or the battery capacity gauge. Surprises on diesel Internal Combustion engine includes hidden DPF filling up, hidden EGR, DMF random failure, clutch failure, gearbox errors. Let's not forget the 12v batteries surprise when trying to crank the engine in the cold.

 

There's also the added maintenance cost on ICE compared to EV: engine oil changes, oil filter, engine air filter. That's £100 per year just to keep the ICE in good shape. There's zero servicing needed on EV drive train.

 

We haven't gotten to the fuel costs yet.

 

 

Unfortunately what most people don't realise is that total cost of ownership is already cheaper on an EV, despite it being expensive to buy.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2017/12/does-lower-total-cost-of-ownership-boost-electric-car-sales/

So for me, this Octavia 3 will be the very last ICE car, need to get rid of it before 150k by the looks of the DPF thread!

Agree......run it into the ground and by then you won’t have to consider the ICE servicing regime again.

Buy British.............

 

Production of new Leaf car begins at Nissan plant in Sunderland
Production of the new Nissan Leaf electric car is underway at the car giant's Sunderland plant today. It means that the countdown has now started to the first customers receiving their vehicles in February.

Read more at: https://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/production-of-new-leaf-car-begins-at-nissan-plant-in-sunderland-1-8917489
 

 

The Leaf has been in production in the UK since 2013 for European markets, with more than 85,000 units sold in Europe since 2011, when the first deliveries began from Nissan’s Oppama plant in Japan. Following an initial investment of £420million, the introduction of the new Nissan LEAF has been supported by a further £36million investment in Nissan Sunderland Plant, supporting more than 2,000 jobs at Nissan and in the UK supply chain.  Nissan Sunderland also manufactures the crossover cars Qashqai and Juke and the Infiniti brand’s Q30 and QX30 models. Last year the plant celebrated its 30th anniversary, and this year total volume surpassed nine million vehicles, cementing its position as the biggest UK car plant of all time. 

 

Edited 6 January, 20188 yr by lol-lol

Looking good IMO.

 

27 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

Looking good IMO.

 

Practical as long as one can charge up, at least partly, when one can get some charge at one's destination.  

 

Most of my journeys are 100 to 175 miles and if I can get an hour or 3 at 7kws or even 22/43 it would be fantastic to enjoy the a couple of pence per mile, or free, refill of energy for it.

 

Renault need to step up with some similar tech from sister company Nissan ie e-pedal and more practical styling, big boot, electric motor and longer range range with 60 kW-H batteries rather than just the 40 option.  

 

Edited 6 January, 20188 yr by lol-lol

Not practical in anyway really for those that do hundreds of miles non stop, but still nice.

So suits those that it suits and at least the technology is there. 

Just not with VW yet other than in their imagination. They need to go buying into more manufacturers technology and rejig all those manufacturing plants 

they were investing on for Hybrid's, Petrol & Diesels.

1 hour ago, AwaoffSki said:

Not practical in anyway really for those that do hundreds of miles non stop, but still nice.

So suits those that it suits and at least the technology is there. 

Just not with VW yet other than in their imagination. They need to go buying into more manufacturers technology and rejig all those manufacturing plants 

they were investing on for Hybrid's, Petrol & Diesels.

 

Until we get the Rapid (45-ish) , super Rapid (150-ish ala Tesla) and hyper Rapid chargers (350 kW-H) chargers.

 

The Leaf and the Zoe can drive for two hours no problem, particularly if you use the occasional A road routes or even urban where EVs are much better than ICE cars.  

https://www.renault.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/zoe-250/driving range.html

 

EVs are coming ...........

 

https://www.zap-map.com/electric-cars-take-record-market-share-in-december/

 

 

Edited 6 January, 20188 yr by lol-lol

I was looking at those Renault Zoe EV's the other week but was unsure if all Zoe's batteries are on lease!!!! , My first choice is still the Nissan Gen l Leaf so I'm still waiting on all the Gen l leaf leasers to trade up to the 2018 Leaf in Feb/March time so there's a lot of cheap trade in's to buy.

It seems out here you have to resort to mr google if you want charging outlet information.

I wonder if the Leaf sold here will have such fundamentally important information loaded in its satnav POI......or would that be asking too much.

The true power behind the BEV is going to be China (of course) which is practically going to ‘mandate’ zero emissions for it massive cities, many of which have never been heard of in the West.

Then they’ll export those Volvos etc. and destroy civilisation (dealerships) as we have know it

(If you want to keep your authoritarian regime you’d better respond pronto to filthy city smog it seems)

Edited 6 January, 20188 yr by Ryeman

An electric 3 wheeler perhaps -

https://us9.campaign-archive.com/?e=87fda1886a&u=53ec2d4dd6eb242346cdddfa2&id=9c61f73f3a

 

With a Beach Boys soundtrack perhaps -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/07/elon-musk-tesla-retro-drive-in-restaurant-supercharger/

 

Edited 9 January, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

Not bad for an irrelevance -

https://electrek.co/2018/01/08/nissan-delivers-its-300000th-leaf-electric-car/

News that Land Rover Range Rover dealerships in Australia are to also be ‘charging’ points for their(?) electric vehicles.

Edited 9 January, 20188 yr by Ryeman

Cold weather range study -

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1114660_german-magazine-compares-real-world-electric-car-ranges-efficiencies-in-cold-weather

11 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Cold weather range study -

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1114660_german-magazine-compares-real-world-electric-car-ranges-efficiencies-in-cold-weather

That 88 miles route in winter will need 30kWh battery in Leaf's efficiency, so not surprising to see sub 20kWh vehicles and 24kWh Leaf-van run out of range. The first generation e-Golf will also fail. 30kWh Leaf, Kia Soul (the smurf car) will both make the 88 miles no problem.

 

 

This truck is really nice, and can act as a 7kW power supply source, saving costs on a renting separate power supply

https://electrek.co/2018/01/09/workhorse-opens-reservation-electric-pickup-truck/