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It's a coming........      (Source London is part of my company Bollore I should declare an interest).

 

https://www.zap-map.com/wandsworth-set-for-huge-ev-charge-point-investment/

 

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Wandsworth Borough Council has announced that it will install hundreds of new EV charge points for residents and visitors, to help encourage the uptake of electric vehicles in the area.  Councillors will be told at a meeting next week that a multi-million boost will be given to those who drive or are looking to drive EVs within the local authority.  At least another 227 EV lamp-post charge points will be offered on request to residents that own or are soon to buy an electric car – improving on-street charging facilities.   Two pilot zones will see the installation of 380 lamp-post charge points – with 149 set for Putney and 231 in Battersea. These will look to gauge local demand and encourage drivers to switch to electric cars. If successful, these pilot schemes will be expanded to other areas.  Complementing the new lamp-post charge points will be another 120 Source London charge points, set to be installed across the borough. That’s on top of the 99 already installed at more than 30 different locations in Wandsworth.  A new e-car club will also be established in Wandsworth, enabling residents to hire an EV by the hour, day, or week. Overall investment is expected to cost the council around £3 million.  The council has stated that the new lamp-post charge points will have no effect on existing parking provision, with no plans to restrict certain spaces next to the lamp-post chargers specifically for EV use. The plans for a significant increase in on-street charge point numbers will look to overcome fears EV drivers might have about a lack of parking with almost blanket coverage in the area.

On ‎27‎/‎09‎/‎2017 at 08:43, wyx087 said:

The only increased load will be for those single households charging their EV. During peak time, you will effectively pay your neighbours' battery pack to supply you with the electricity for your EV. That way it is no longer the demand across 100 households going through a substation, it is one household creates the demand, other households contributes to the supply.

 

The tech in this area needs to mature faster and rolled out even faster. Unfortunately the mess they made of the smart meter doesn't look promising. People's mentality also need to change: electricity will not be fixed price, it is always fluctuating with demand, this is not a bad thing with the correct tech to take advantage of it. Battery is part of the solution.

This is what I had been saying many months ago:

https://electrek.co/2018/02/21/renault-smart-electric-island-electric-vehicles-v2g-energy-storage/

 

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  • First, 20 volunteer users in Porto Santo will drive 14 ZOEs and 6 Kangoo Z.E.s for their everyday use. These vehicles will be able to benefit from smart charging thanks to the 40 connected public and private charging points set up by EEM and Renault on the island.
  • Second, by the end of 2018, the vehicles will step up their interaction with the grid by providing it with electricity during peak hours. In addition to being smart charged, the electric vehicles will therefore also serve as temporary energy storage units.
  • Third, second-life batteries from Renault electric vehicles will be used to store the fluctuating supply of energy produced by Porto Santo’s solar and wind farms. Stored as soon as it is produced, this energy is recovered by the grid as and when needed to meet local demand. Some of these batteries come from Madeira Island. For the first time, Groupe Renault demonstrates real life re-employing of second-life batteries in a local ecosystem.

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I was at a Sunny South Ayrshire town at the weekend, lots of tourists, holiday makers, motor home / campers. (Nissan EV's) 

& there are 2 Public Charging points at the Harbour.

Just crazy that there are not more.

There are Wind Farms covering the hills as close as 5 miles away and all around the area and on this Coastal Tourist Route, 

 the A77 route to / from the Ferries there are just not enough charging points. 

 

http://rockinvans.co.uk/blog/blog-post/the-south-west-300 

 

Often they sat empty much of the time when put in, 

not now, more are needed.

http://www.zap-map.com/locations/girvan-charging-points 

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That's not 2 charger, that picture is 1 charger only capable of charging 1 vehicle at a time. Often 2 spaces are given so EV can park up and possibly unplug the other car if the other car has finished charging before owner comes back.

1 hour ago, Ryeman said:

China sets 10% ZEV sales target for next year, 12% the year after.

E- Mini to be made in China also.

https://electrek.co/2018/02/23/bmw-build-electric-mini-vehicles-china/

 

( a RHD version for export?)

 

Hopefully the mini-e will see an improvement over the 35 kW-H battery (130 Mj) as this gives the heavy and un-aerodynamic mini a real range of only just over 100 miles !

Great Video (despite being from Murdoch organ)

 

Shows that the Zoe is the affording choice for EV with decent range by taking on the M25 loop (117 miles) charge to spare, horrendous driving conditions, on the legal limit where poss.

 

 

 

Africa are leap frogging the developed world in energy independence:

 

 

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^^^^^ the Chinese seem to be heavily involved in African Infrastructure......rail being the most obvious.

Influence costs money.

China are heavily involved because so much of the food needed to feed the population of China is grown in Africa.

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4 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

China are heavily involved because so much of the food needed to feed the population of China is grown in Africa.

Not to mention the nickel mines.

7 hours ago, Ryeman said:

^^^^^ the Chinese seem to be heavily involved in African Infrastructure......rail being the most obvious.

Influence costs money.

 

We are the largest logistics company in Africa and have many solar/wind and battery storage projects in Africa (everywhere in Africa except Somalia).

 

French company working with the Chinese much as they will with Hinkley Point C power station and EDF.   

 

 

 

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Supercapacitors

I’m pretty much clueless when it comes to electricity, so when I heard this morning a discussion about renewables and a guy talking about the above making lithium battery storage outdated tech, I was surprised that it hadn’t come to my attention before.

Is there an expert sparky around that can explain it all?.

4 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Supercapacitors

I’m pretty much clueless when it comes to electricity, so when I heard this morning a discussion about renewables and a guy talking about the above making lithium battery storage outdated tech, I was surprised that it hadn’t come to my attention before.    Is there an expert sparky around that can explain it all?.

 

Sounds like might be talking about Sodium as the battery electro-chemical storage element.

 

Sodium very abundant/cheap.

 

Problems with longevity.

 

Seems optimal to use combo of battery and super-capacitors (SC) to achieve balance of charging, (faster than filling a card with liquid hydro-carbon).

 

Price of 1 kW-H around $200 now and still dropping as is SC cost per kW-H but it is still around $8,000 per Kw-H but also falling steadily.  

 

 

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I understand it enables super quick charging, but where is the endurance/range energy stored if there is no need for a large lithium pack?.

 

If this is a significant breakthrough I wouldn’t want to be offloading a current Tesla in particular.

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3 hours ago, Ryeman said:

I understand it enables super quick charging, but where is the endurance/range energy stored if there is no need for a large lithium pack?.

 

If this is a significant breakthrough I wouldn’t want to be offloading a current Tesla in particular.

 

I understood cost was its main advantage and that is in transport did not have to regard as DG ie Dangerous Goods as we do with Lithium batteries as cargo.

 

http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/experimental_rechargeable_batteries

 

https://electrek.co/2018/02/22/sonnen-smart-home-electric-car-charger/

 

Community smart chargers that allows you to charge your EV with your neighbour's excess solar energy.

 

Combine that with home battery, V2G and other types of renewable sources (tidal, wind, etc), why do we still need centralised power sources that pollute? B)

2 hours ago, Ryeman said:

If you like a large scale version of slot cars perhaps -

https://electrek.co/2018/02/26/f1-boss-bernie-ecclestone-f1-electric-by-2021/

 

We already know electric cars can be made quicker than internal combustion engine cars quite easily as this is proved by Tesla ludicrous mode and other hypercar EVs and it starting to be proved by normal road going EVs like the Nissan LEAF 2 sub 8 second 0-100 kph and even the afford range king Renault Zoe is getting a 110 hp motor to propel to 0-100 kph in a more respectable 10-11 seconds rather than its previous 13 seconds.

 

As more and more drivers get blown away from the lights by EVs they will start adding that to the list of reason they want one in addition to only costing £5 to move 100 miles compare £10 to £15 for an ICE car for fuel. 

 

We don't know the Gen 2 Formula-e spec yet but I would expect it to be much closer to ICE F1 performance and if they allow 4 wheel drive it will surpass it quite soon, especially in 0-150 mph and damp conditions when F1 cars are a bit rubbish.  

 

First images ABB FIA Formula E Championship Gen2 car for 2018 19 season

  

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^^^^ it would be the death of the Albert Park race........the locals would be happy.

19 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

^^^^ it would be the death of the Albert Park race........the locals would be happy.

 

For the fans they can plug in to a synchronized sound like you get on the Clio RS.  More expensive seats get vibration feedback, everybody happy, less noise and emissions pollution whilst fans get the experience of old V8s, 10s, 12s. 

 

 

 

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