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They could try selling that, but F1 and faking it don’t seem likely as a survival strategy.

Certainly not for me.

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6 hours ago, Ryeman said:

 

Some advantage using permanent magnets but some disadvantages too ie cost and motor cannot become a generator like Renault's motor can ie efficency for size of plant.

 

Looking forward to Geneva outpouring next week.  Some details leaking out....

 

https://media.group.renault.com/global/en-gb/renault/media/pressreleases/21204254/encore-plus-de-plaisir-de-conduite-sur-zoe-le-vehicule-electrique-le-plus-vendu-en-europe-avec-le-no

 

New R110 motor: Renault’s electric vehicle expertise

The new R110 motor is the latest fruit of Renault’s electric motor development and production strategy and further evidence of the expertise in this field of Europe’s number one electric vehicle manufacturer. The all-Renault R110 – an evolution of the R90, developed in just two years – is made in France at the make’s Cléon plant in Normandy and was designed by engineers working out of the Renault Technocentre, southwest of Paris, as well as in Cléon. In addition to carrying over the R90’s outstanding energy efficiency, the R110 packs a combination of electrical machine- and power electronics-related innovations that have yielded an extra 12kW with no increase in either weight or volume.

 

The introduction of the R110 takes the number of variants of the Renault motor available for Kangoo Z.E., Master Z.E., ZOE and Daimler’s Electric Drive Smart to five (44kW, 57 kW, 60 kW, 68 kW and 80 kW).

 

 

One of my favourite EV websites.......

 

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Electric Car Newsletter

Dear L

Plus ça change: All Change in the EV World

Electric vehicles continue to set UK sales records, with registrations of low-emissions vehicles increasing in 2017 by 27%. This probably has something to do with typical savings of £800 a year by driving an EV. That's about £70 per month - what's not to like?

Two of the leading full electrics are, of course, the Nissan Leaf and the Renault ZOE. But these are not your dad's EVs - the Nissan Leaf is the new 2.0 model with much improved looks, range and technology. It has garnered some very good reviews.

2017-08-1_NissanLeafZE1_NissanGlobalHeadquarters_Wikimedia-Qurren.jpg

Not to be outdone the ZOE is about to get its own mid-life upgrade, following the introduction of the longer range battery some 18 months ago. This time it's getting a more powerful motor to give it more lively acceleration - an increase from 90bhp to 110bhp. It will make it more at home at motorway speeds, particularly as longer range ZOEs will likely spend more time on motorways.

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Interestingly, my guess is that it may also increase range at motorway speeds. Increasing the size of an engine on a fossil car typically means a heavier engine that consumes more fuel. In an electric car, however,the motor is so small that increasing its power will make negligible difference to its weight. Instead, increasing power may make it run more efficiently at high motorway speeds so that you get extra range.

Of course, other manufacturers have not sat idle over the same period and there is now a credible range of alternatives to the Leaf and ZOE. The Volkswagen e-Golf, BMW i3 and Kia Soul EV all received range upgrades during 2017. The Kia Soul is a good package, at an unbeatable price (from £215 per month) - now with free charge point. Some 100,000 i3s have now been sold, including the mid-life upgrade model with enhanced spec and the sporty i3S model. And in 2017 the VW e-Golf moved from being an also-ran into the top 5 best-selling all-electrics in Europe.

 

^^^ 
order books closed in the UK on the VW Golf GT-E,  long waiting list they say.

So that will them be needing to have a TSI engine in them that has Real World Co2 g/km testing before September 2018 so that they can first register them after that.

Same with the Audi petrol hybrid and any other VW Group models.

http://whatcar.com/volkswagen/golf-gte/hatchback/review 

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^^^ Fantastic.  All go, hurry up with it, then slow down.

If they could just fulfil the Order Books for vehicles they have production lines for now on current models.

Have a look in the Karoq or Kodiaq sections on those wanting to know build weeks, or when they might get their vehicle.

Same in the Octavia MK3 & Superb Section.

 

Global sales obviously going to be more important to them than the delivery of ICE engine vehicles with Euro 6 Emission testing into the UK.

9 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Lithium-metal battery development, with a little help from graphene -

https://www.cemag.us/news/2018/03/graphene-oxide-nanosheets-offer-promise-lithium-metal-batteries

 

(just so long as it’s not in the baggage hold of any aircraft I’m on, thanks)

 

We have been using LMP batteries for years and hold many patents on it.  

 

Super fast charging as sometimes the car only has a few minutes to recharge before the next hire.  40 hires in one day is the record for one car on the Auto-Lib scheme in Paris (about 4,000 cars).  

Roll out in London and other cities continues.  With some people afraid to use the Metro/Tube we have picked up for users ie tens of thousands per day.

Think we have only had vandalism rather than any "Lithium" fires.  

Our Logistics Division, with 35,000 employees, are well aware of the Dangerous Goods issues with Lithium ion batterys !  

 

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^^^ things are moving fast and constant change in tech.

Where will we be in 5 - 10 years......

On 05/03/2018 at 13:05, lol-lol said:

One of my favourite EV websites.......

 

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Electric Car Newsletter

Dear L

Plus ça change: All Change in the EV World

Electric vehicles continue to set UK sales records, with registrations of low-emissions vehicles increasing in 2017 by 27%. This probably has something to do with typical savings of £800 a year by driving an EV. That's about £70 per month - what's not to like?

Two of the leading full electrics are, of course, the Nissan Leaf and the Renault ZOE. But these are not your dad's EVs - the Nissan Leaf is the new 2.0 model with much improved looks, range and technology. It has garnered some very good reviews.

2017-08-1_NissanLeafZE1_NissanGlobalHeadquarters_Wikimedia-Qurren.jpg

Not to be outdone the ZOE is about to get its own mid-life upgrade, following the introduction of the longer range battery some 18 months ago. This time it's getting a more powerful motor to give it more lively acceleration - an increase from 90bhp to 110bhp. It will make it more at home at motorway speeds, particularly as longer range ZOEs will likely spend more time on motorways.

1703_03_RenaultZOE_Mars-Red_CarExpert.jpg

Interestingly, my guess is that it may also increase range at motorway speeds. Increasing the size of an engine on a fossil car typically means a heavier engine that consumes more fuel. In an electric car, however,the motor is so small that increasing its power will make negligible difference to its weight. Instead, increasing power may make it run more efficiently at high motorway speeds so that you get extra range.

Of course, other manufacturers have not sat idle over the same period and there is now a credible range of alternatives to the Leaf and ZOE. The Volkswagen e-Golf, BMW i3 and Kia Soul EV all received range upgrades during 2017. The Kia Soul is a good package, at an unbeatable price (from £215 per month) - now with free charge point. Some 100,000 i3s have now been sold, including the mid-life upgrade model with enhanced spec and the sporty i3S model. And in 2017 the VW e-Golf moved from being an also-ran into the top 5 best-selling all-electrics in Europe.

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the link, I haven't seen that site, I like to keep abreast of all things EV and I've just recently found this site which is very informative for all things EV.     https://www.electrive.com/

Commercial V2G to help balance the grid in place of power plants:

 

 

Exactly as I had been saying. Very little battery degradation when doing this due to only using middle charge state. Best bit is that Copenhagen pays more during the evenings, very suitable for EV.

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"That advice includes not storing the car in hot environments"

Hmmm. Not a problem in the UK, but...

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2 hours ago, Wino said:

"That advice includes not storing the car in hot environments"

Hmmm. Not a problem in the UK, but...

Yeah, not sure what Nissan is thinking re markets beyond N Europe, Scandinavia and Canada .

 

Cobalt mines are go and The Lucky Country keeps getting by -

http://canada.autonews.com/article/20180319/CANADA/180319726/ev-demand-has-battery-makers-descending-on-canadian-cobalt-developers?cciid=email-autonewscanada-daily

No doubt that the mining for cobalt will be coming in the future in Scotland.

There has not been much said about just what was found and exactly where during the geological surveys, but someone will be sitting 

on a nice amount of money, or have been buying up land where they will be making plenty dosh.

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The 2018 Leaf is interesting. It has a denser battery but no thermal management. This leads to unchecked temperature when repeatedly rapid charging. I've read that Leaf 24 battery temperature goes to red after 6 or so rapid charging sessions. But for Leaf 40, it throttles charge rate on the 2nd rapid charging session!

 

40+ page thread on this: https://speakev.com/threads/worried-about-leaf-2-rapid-charging-rate.101025/

10+ page thread on someone's experience trying to drive 640 miles in Leaf 40: https://speakev.com/threads/640-mile-run-in-a-40-kw-leaf.105657/

 

All things point to Leaf 40 as a "how not to make large battery EV".  I think Leaf 40 is no better than Leaf 24, it's still a local car due to above rapid charging problems.

 

 

Leaf 60 next year will have thermal managed battery. This highlights the difficulties people will face when coming from ICE cars, the specification sheet need to tell you more on the battery tech, thermo management and battery charging speed for example. 

 

I even think a ideal time-to-do 600 miles figure will be useful for people to compare against ICE cars. This one figure will combine battery charging speed, car drag coefficient and battery thermo capability giving a simple comparison tool.

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