Eventually is a long time away in some countries.  Especially the countries not getting on with the infrastructure investments to tax ICE's out of existence.

 

Governments need to stop supporting the Car Manufacturers that keep their economies afloat with the sale of ICE's.

So in Europe that will mostly be Germany, France, Italy & the UK.

The UK had the opportunity to encourage in the EV Manufacturing and they coc-ked that up.

 

We know she is a crazy bint, believes anything that anyone tells her and speaks with forked tongue.

As for the Rt Hon Greg Clark MP, would you buy a used car from that ex Business Consultant for Boston Consulting Group?

 

 

 

Edited 17 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

12 hours ago, moley said:

When I fill the Octavia it usually takes all of 5 - 10 minutes, which will give me another 600 miles. Can you really charge an EV for 600 miles in 10 minutes? 

For comparison, driving my 60 miles daily commute:

 

My Octavia mk3 2.0 TDI DSG takes over 10min to refuel 500 miles (let's be honest, 600 miles is best-case full to empty, you'll more likely to refuel 500 miles of range), this includes: be route restricted to go through congested roads on my way home for one of cheaper station, queuing for pump, standing around holding a nozzle, waiting for the pay machine, searching for gloves (there is often only 1 bin stocked with gloves). Finally, my personal extra: recording miles driven and fuel added, and I usually fuel up every 8 days of commute, 480 miles.

 

My Leaf for 8 days of commute: It takes less than 10s to plug in, 10s to unplug. Let's be kind to your side of argument by tripling that and say 1 minute each day to plug-in and unplug. It would take 8 minutes of my time.

 

12 weeks of my commute takes less than 30min of my time in the EV. 12 weeks of my commute pointlessly takes up at very least 1 hour 15 min of my time in a 500+ miles ICE.

 

It's not always about total range, total range only matters when driving long distance. Daily range is what really matters in one's daily life.

9 hours ago, moley said:

What tariff are you on that will allow you to charge an EV overnight for almost free? 

Relatively.

 

Let's do the same 500 miles comparison. It would take close to £50 in fossil fuel to cover that distance. (my car is a hair over 10p per mile in fuel, I assumed your car is slightly more efficient)

It would take £14 to drive same distance in an inefficient 3.6mi/kWh EV. (my Leaf gets 3.9kWh, Hyundai Ioniq gets more than 4.5mi/kWh, that means £11 for 500 miles)

500 miles / 3.6mi/kWh * £0.10 electricity cost.

 

There's the maintenance: for 10,000 miles, you need to spend £99 for engine oil and filter change. That is additional 1p per mile. For every 5 years, you need to change timing belt and waterpump at £500, assuming 12k miles per year, that is 0.83p per mile. So actual cost of your 1.6TDI to cover 500 miles is closer to £60.

 

 

Edited 17 April, 20197 yr by wyx087

10 hours ago, moley said:

What tariff are you on that will allow you to charge an EV overnight for almost free? 

 

5 hours ago, lol-lol said:

less if like Dormhall where you have solar panels supplying some of the charge.   

Solar panels providing power overnight when the sun is sleeping?

 

I could understand that working if as well as solar cells the house had battery storage.

Battery Storage in the House / Garage / Car stores the Solar Generated Electricity which can be used to charge at night, 

or be used in the National Grid / Local Community / Neighbourhood.

 

 

 

 

 

New or used Hybrids might make sense for some that only need £30 fill ups in a month.

Perfect for just popping out for a mile or 3 between longer runs / commutes.

 

 

Edited 17 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Adverts can be deceiving.

Potential customers and the general public can be  easily confused, or maybe just not that bright in the first place.

Media spin, & lost in translation,

Hybrids / Plug in hybrids / self charging hybrids / mild hybrid (Suzuki Ignis / Swift type) and on and on.

 

 

 

Edited 17 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

10 hours ago, wyx087 said:

There's the maintenance: for 10,000 miles, you need to spend £99 for engine oil and filter change. That is additional 1p per mile. For every 5 years, you need to change timing belt and waterpump at £500, assuming 12k miles per year, that is 0.83p per mile. So actual cost of your 1.6TDI to cover 500 miles is closer to £60.

It wasn't the Octavia that was going to be replaced by an EV, it was the mk2 Fabia, which I 'gave' to one of my daughters as she needed a car for her job. 

On the Cost of maintenance the cambelt and waterpump were changed on the Octavia at 133,000 miles, so that is 0.38p per mile, servicing is variable, which is about 19k and is just under £200. When I looked at the Nissan Leaf it appeared that Nissan dealers were charging £149 for an annual service. 

When the time came to replace the Fabia it came down to a six month old leaf at about £24 or a six month old Fabia estate SEL with extras at £12.5k. I was keen to have an EV, but I thought how much petrol can I buy with £11.5k? I also paid £180 for the first two services. 

10 hours ago, wyx087 said:

For comparison, driving my 60 miles daily commute:

 

My Octavia mk3 2.0 TDI DSG takes over 10min to refuel 500 miles (let's be honest, 600 miles is best-case full to empty, you'll more likely to refuel 500 miles of range), this includes: be route restricted to go through congested roads on my way home for one of cheaper station, queuing for pump, standing around holding a nozzle, waiting for the pay machine, searching for gloves (there is often only 1 bin stocked with gloves). Finally, my personal extra: recording miles driven and fuel added, and I usually fuel up every 8 days of commute, 480 miles.

 

My Leaf for 8 days of commute: It takes less than 10s to plug in, 10s to unplug. Let's be kind to your side of argument by tripling that and say 1 minute each day to plug-in and unplug. It would take 8 minutes of my time.

 

12 weeks of my commute takes less than 30min of my time in the EV. 12 weeks of my commute pointlessly takes up at very least 1 hour 15 min of my time in a 500+ miles ICE.

 

It's not always about total range, total range only matters when driving long distance. Daily range is what really matters in one's daily life.

In my job I could get a call from a customer at any time and I might need to get in the car and drive 200 miles to sort out a problem. With the Octavia full of fuel or near to empty I can start the journey and fill up when I need to. It would be no good telling the customer I will be in once the car is charged I will charge it again on the way. 

9 minutes ago, moley said:

It would be no good telling the customer I will be in once the car is charged I will charge it again on the way. 

 

But it would give you enough time to finish making wild passionate love to your wife/girlfriend/other or....does that only take 90 seconds? 

2 minutes ago, xman said:

 

But it would give you enough time to finish making wild passionate love to your wife/girlfriend/other or....does that only take 90 seconds? 

She is normally 200 miles away preparing herself. Batteries charged and ready to play.

Just now, shyVRS245 said:

She is normally 200 miles away preparing herself. Batteries charged and ready to play.

 

The mind boggles....

2 minutes ago, xman said:

 

The mind boggles....

Or VIBRATES

VW’s China emphasis -

https://electrek.co/2019/04/17/vw-electric-cars-china-2028/

They’ll be cheaper than ICE soon -

https://thedriven.io/2019/04/17/electric-cars-cheaper-than-petrol-diesel-from-2022-as-battery-costs-plummet/

12 hours ago, moley said:

In my job I could get a call from a customer at any time and I might need to get in the car and drive 200 miles to sort out a problem. With the Octavia full of fuel or near to empty I can start the journey and fill up when I need to. It would be no good telling the customer I will be in once the car is charged I will charge it again on the way. 

 

Perhaps a future version of this for you (and me) then.........

 

 

12 hours ago, moley said:

In my job I could get a call from a customer at any time and I might need to get in the car and drive 200 miles to sort out a problem. With the Octavia full of fuel or near to empty I can start the journey and fill up when I need to. It would be no good telling the customer I will be in once the car is charged I will charge it again on the way. 

Varies by the car. My EV has range of 80 miles, good for 1 day of commute, but one evening after work, I got a call to help out the US Model 3 that was transported to Europe for roadtrip:

https://www.speakev.com/threads/model-3-europe-road-trip.111769/

 

The Leaf had about 15 miles left, it was ~40 miles return. do I drive the Skoda or the Leaf? I drove the Leaf, 10min on a rapid charger en-route gave me more enough range. Wasn't any inconvenience or caused any real delay.

Desperate ‘Tesla short’ behaviour -

https://electrek.co/2019/04/20/tesla-shorts-threaten-accidents-restraining-order/

The coming Aussie aircraft..............apparently -

https://thedriven.io/2019/04/22/australias-magnix-chosen-to-power-eviation-electric-aircraft/

More disruption if it eventuates -

https://electrek.co/2019/04/23/tesla-battery-million-miles-elon-musk/

More on the electric aircraft era -

http://theconversation.com/get-set-for-take-off-in-electric-aircraft-the-next-transport-disruption-114178

Nice to go to a place where most the taxis are EVs......

(Schiphol Amsterdam) 

 

Today the UK Government seem to be flying a kite about banning ICE cars earlier than previously announced.

 

Then this is a story.   Seems like the Government want to look like they are doing something.

That will be throwing money at industry regardless of it being well spent or not.

http://autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/uk-moves-closer-major-battery-plant-electric-cars

 

The lucky country remains lucky, and we haven’t started yet -

https://electrek.co/2019/05/02/tesla-shortage-battery-minerals-nickle-copper-lithium/

 

(seeing transnational shareholders tend to own our resources, Brexiteers might see a colonial opportunity)

Edited 2 May, 20197 yr by Ryeman

Sooner rather than later -

https://thedriven.io/2019/05/02/uk-push-to-bring-100-pct-electric-vehicle-target-forward-to-2030/