And this vid (looks like they at least have a driveable version)   ......

 

 

Edited 15 April, 20197 yr by lol-lol

Swiss ‘Nanoflowcell’ road test car  -

 

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1122418_nano-flowcell-quantino-covers-218000-miles-on-flow-batteries 

On 14/04/2019 at 10:29, Skoffski said:

20 Nuclear powered submarines sitting about mothballed, can they not get towed to some ports around the coast of England and generate some electricity for charging stations?

 

The South Coast of Englands seems an ideal place for them, save those in North Devon moaning about the lack of chargers.

It will brighten the place up considerably.   Maybe provide some economic developments...

Sadly 20 Nukes moored in e.g. Ilfracombe harbour will only provide charging points in one location - one with a VERY expensive car park and not near where most local EV owners will be living or going shopping.

 

BTW North Devon isn't on the South Coast, it's on the Bristol Channel 

Take a geiger counter with you.

@PetrolDave  All down south, like everything above London is the North.

Get wired in to a plumbers mate.

National Grid, just get up some huge pylons, like had to happen in Scotland to run the renewables south & over land, 

 or run an extension cable or 3. 

Edited 16 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

When Jaguar launched it's first EV the I Pace it claimed a range of 298 miles on a full charge and boasted this could be achieved in 40 minutes from a 100kW charger which sounds great. However what it didn't say was that there is precisely ZERO of these mythical chargers in the UK at present (doh). A 50kW charger (there were 3,178 at launch date) takes 85 minutes to give a range of 240 miles or more likely the owner would use their own 7kW CHARGER OR WALLBOX which takes just over 12 hours for a 100% range. Prices start from £58,000 for the basic version upto £81,495 for the lavishly equipped First Edition model.

 The world is a lot bigger than the UK.   JLR looking to sell Globally.

 

Jaguar Land Rover will have to be totally honest after being caught out being little cheaters with ICE vehicles.

Maybe call in cars and fit some 205 width tyres for free, or giving free electricity cards to i-Pace owners that were mislead / mis-sold if they were.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited 16 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

Must take some serious R&D to make an electric motor drivetrain less efficient than the competition or is it just that all the figures are made up, some more creatively than other?

 

Its like claiming that an electric heater is 50% more efficient than the competitor when they are all as close to 100% efficient as makes no different.

 

Where are the power losses on an electric vehicle and how can one be so much worse than the others?

 

Is it a regenerative braking thing?

The inverter and motor have a big role in drive efficiency. The I-Pace is as efficient as Tesla Model X, but it is only slightly bigger than a Nissan Leaf. It's a good first-go from traditional car manufacturer but does shows how far ahead Tesla is with their EV drivetrain tech.

 

 

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

When Jaguar launched it's first EV the I Pace it claimed a range of 298 miles on a full charge and boasted this could be achieved in 40 minutes from a 100kW charger which sounds great. However what it didn't say was that there is precisely ZERO of these mythical chargers in the UK at present (doh). A 50kW charger (there were 3,178 at launch date) takes 85 minutes to give a range of 240 miles or more likely the owner would use their own 7kW CHARGER OR WALLBOX which takes just over 12 hours for a 100% range. Prices start from £58,000 for the basic version upto £81,495 for the lavishly equipped First Edition model.

You make it sound like 7kW charging is a time consuming problem.

 

But I've spent less time re-energising my EV than visiting petrol stations. One is plug and forget, the other is a lot of queuing, waiting while squeezing the trigger and waiting for the card machine.

5 minutes ago, J.R. said:

Must take some serious R&D to make an electric motor drivetrain less efficient than the competition or is it just that all the figures are made up, some more creatively than other?

 

Its like claiming that an electric heater is 50% more efficient than the competitor when they are all as close to 100% efficient as makes no different.

 

Where are the power losses on an electric vehicle and how can one be so much worse than the others?

 

Is it a regenerative braking thing?

Most I Pace owners will choose wheels between 20"-22" in diameter with very wide tyres (for an EV) which takes a lot of energy to get moving as will the 2.2tonne kerbweight and of course the extra drag compared to the skinny tyres fitted to a BMW i3 for example. Friction and weight are never good for efficiency on any vehicle.

46 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

But I've spent less time re-energising my EV than visiting petrol stations. One is plug and forget, the other is a lot of queuing, waiting while squeezing the trigger and waiting for the card machine.

I suppose you also think that it's quicker and cheaper to get Halfrauds to fit new wiper blades than do it yourself? ;-) 

1 hour ago, Skoffski said:

 The world is a lot bigger than the UK.   JLR looking to sell Globally.

 

Jaguar Land Rover will have to be totally honest after being caught out being little cheaters with ICE vehicles.

Maybe call in cars and fit some 205 width tyres for free, or giving free electricity cards to i-Pace owners that were mislead / mis-sold if they were.

 

 

 

 

 

Watched all 3 video's thanks.

The suggestions from car reviewers of the heated seat and heated steering wheel to use rather than heating the cars interior as an battery saver is a bit of a joke really.

I used to get all dressed up in full arctic gear to drive my Land Rover, i don't expect to need on the thermals & to wear lug warmers in a £30,000 plus car in 2020 for when driving.

Expecting it for when parked up charging or stuck on blocked roads in winter though.

Must remember and carry spare muffs. (for passengers.)

 

&

I want a heated windscreen as well as a heated rear screen for quick getaways when the car is not plugged in when parked up and is iced up.

A rear wiper is a must have, i have had cars without and that is a total no no for when it snows.

Edited 16 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

3 hours ago, wyx087 said:

But I've spent less time re-energising my EV than visiting petrol stations. One is plug and forget, the other is a lot of queuing, waiting while squeezing the trigger and waiting for the card machine.

When I fill the Octavia it usually takes all of 5 - 10 minutes, which will give me another 600 miles. Can you really charge an EV for 600 miles in 10 minutes? 

1 hour ago, moley said:

When I fill the Octavia it usually takes all of 5 - 10 minutes, which will give me another 600 miles. Can you really charge an EV for 600 miles in 10 minutes? 

 

Perhaps the point is that generally EV owners charge at home and do not to even deviate from their route between home-work-home.  An ICE driver, as they do not have a fuel tank at home, will have to divert metres or even a km or so for a A road, motorway, supermarket fuel station to go get fuel so an EV takes 30 seconds to hitch to the home charge box once or twice a week whereas the ICE owner has to go and find a dinosaur soup store to fill up with the hydrocarbons.

 

Charge up at home almost for free, at work for free or at a car park for free are attractive options IMO compared to blowing several hours wages on a tank of pollutant to pump in the faces of children etc.  Touch choice and I am hoping my ICE car is my last ICE powered car, roll on e-208 and Zoe 2 and the like.    

 

 

Edited 16 April, 20197 yr by lol-lol

1 hour ago, lol-lol said:

Charge up at home almost for free. 

What tariff are you on that will allow you to charge an EV overnight for almost free? 

Off peak charging overnight prior to a 400 km pre-lunch stop and the balance in the afternoon..............what’s the problem.

There’s always the hire car/train/plane option for the annual hols.

 

 

4 hours ago, moley said:

What tariff are you on that will allow you to charge an EV overnight for almost free? 

 

There are Economy 7/10 rates out there of less than 10p per kWh so you can charge a 40-41 kWh car for less than a fiver, less if like Dormhall where you have solar panels supplying some of the charge.

 

Cost per mile less than a third than hydrocarbon fuelling.  I should be able to cut my £5k per annum fuel bill to less than £2K, less than £1k if I have fill up at free work and some car parking like in Oxford's 50 free charge points you get when you use their car park. 

 

 Just needs companies to offer/arrange "electricity cards" instead of "fuel cards" for the good of out future.      

Edited 17 April, 20197 yr by lol-lol

Octopus GO was 5p/kWh for 4 hrs at night.

'Tanker Driver striking in Portugal causes a fuel shortage of Aviation Fuels and at filling stations.'

 

2012

http://bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18538813

2012

http://bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17464613

 

 

 

In the the UK are elsewhere the drivers of the Diesel engine tankers can so quickly grind a country to a halt.

But then so can Power Workers or adverse weather or many other things.

 

17/April 2019.  Easter  Holiday time.

Edited 17 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

2 hours ago, lol-lol said:

There are Economy 7/10 rates out there of less than 10p per kWh so you can charge a 40-41 kWh car for less than a fiver, less if like Dormhall where you have solar panels supplying some of the charge.

It's not that 'free' then and the last time you had to pay for installing solar panels. 

I will be looking at an EV again in a couple of years when we change the wife's car and hopefully the range will be better and the prices lower. when we looked at EV's two years ago the Plus points were: cheap to run.

The minus points: Very high cost to buy. low range, higher insurance, some models you had to rent the batteries.

7 minutes ago, moley said:

It's not that 'free' then and the last time you had to pay for installing solar panels. 

I will be looking at an EV again in a couple of years when we change the wife's car and hopefully the range will be better and the prices lower. when we looked at EV's two years ago the Plus points were: cheap to run.

The minus points: Very high cost to buy. low range, higher insurance, some models you had to rent the batteries.

 

I do not think the Zoe is a very high cost to buy with its £20K cost for the Zoe S with 0% over 5 year.  One can even get £3k scrappage. 

 

Current LEAF/Zoe range is on the low side for me as I oft do trips of 175 miles one way, meeting for a couple hours and then drive home which current value EVs could not do on cooler days but the should be able to with the new versions of the LEAF and Zoe and the upcoming e-208 later this year.

 

Insurance does seem quite high compared to similar performance ICE cars, not sure why, costly to repair or just a bit of an unknown, not sure, should come down as EVs become the norm and ICE cars become the rarity.

 

Increasingly seems logical to add the battery in to the 0% finance especially as one can still get a guarantee that the battery will keep a certain level of performance even 8 years after purchase.   

3 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I do not think the Zoe is a very high cost to buy with its £20K cost for the Zoe S with 0% over 5 year.  One can even get £3k scrappage. 

£20k without the batteries. When we looked the minimum mileage meant the battery rental was £50 a month. The wife is currently spending around £30 a month on fuel. The £3k scrappage scheme is not a lot of use if you have a car with a trade in value of £8k.

Big difference from someone that spends £30 a month on fuel, and someone that fills up twice a week at £30 a time & is already paying £50 or more a week to rent a vehicle or have it on the drip (never never).

Horses for courses or drive what suits your needs, its not rocket science just about mobility, transportation and figuring out what works for you economically. 

 

Some people or households have vehicles that need both.

the £30 fill up monthly and the £60 a week or even more.

That is not that much if just 450-500 miles a week.

Edited 17 April, 20197 yr by Skoffski

In any case ICEs will be taxed out of existence eventually.   Sales will decline, unit costs rise, and mass production will convert to EVs.  The public will love them.