EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 1

[Ootohere]

Has George Osborne MP cancelled the Standing Order or Direct Debit to the EU?

 

I know Sky, 02 etc say not to because they might be due you some money back,

but since the EU Commissioners want a 'whats your hurry, here is your hat',  might as well not spend more than needed and wait for a rebate,

after all they will be working overtime this weekend cancelling EU funding projects not already paid for or begun.

[Defenderben]

Total tosh, get over it....since when have you been the authority on how bad it will or could be and it was a mistake.

I knew exactly why my X went in the box I put it in.

[meb90]

When are we going to stop being Richards to each other?

[SkodaVRS1963]

You go in the polling booth and decide what to vote, I know when I vote in a general election I don't accept all the promises from a political party

 

The facts, however, dont lie:

 

 

That black line has gone through the roof since 2008 has it not?

 

Now, what can we spend it on?

[Mikek3111]

Thing is Scotland and NI are NOT separate countries. They wanted to be part of the U.K. And therefore have to accept the results from the MAJORITY.

Do you really think there would be as much discussion if rest of UK voted out and Birmingham or Manchester wanted to stay. People would be telling them plain and simple. YOU WERE OUTVOTED. END OF DISCUSSION.

[SkodaVRS1963]

When are we going to stop being Richards to each other?

 

Debates involving politics and religion are guaranteed to ruffle feathers.

 

At my gym at 6.30a.m the other day (yes, that's 6.30 in the morning, how can you be fired up at that time of the day?):

 

81 year old retired chappie: we have to vote out

50 year old financial advisor: you don't know what you're talking about

81 year old retired chappie: what would you know?

50 year old financial advisor: I'm a financial advisor

81 year old retired chappie: oh so you're a poxy mortgage salesman?

50 year old financial advisor: I only recommend mortgages

81 year old retired chappie: same thing, I bet you peddle dodgy payment protection insurance too?

50 year old financial advisor: I only recommend PPI

81 year old retired chappie: if I was your age I'd take you outside and teach you some manners young man

 

Crazy and every word true, I swear.

 

For some reason, politics and religion really angers up the blood.

[trundlenut]

The facts, however, dont lie:

That black line has gone through the roof since 2008 has it not?

Now, what can we spend it on?

The graph does indeed have a black line. In terms of conclusions that's about as far as it goes. To add further detail there are also blue and pink bars.

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[Dr Zoidberg]

Best of three?

 

Without wanting to ruin a serious thread...

 

 

Going back on topic, given that we're only a day on from the result, and already key figures in the Leave movement are saying that there won't be any new hospitals and we can't *actually* reduce immigration, I think there is good cause for people to feel aggrieved and want a rethink (on both sides).

 

I don't believe Boris genuinely wants us to leave, as his stance was largely to put him in a position of power, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is some willingness to try and renegotiate and avoid a departure.

[Ootohere]

They might be in the Union or the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland which is also known as the British Isles and dependency countries, which could be Channel Isles, Gibraltar etc.

 

The Countries making up the UK have their own Parliaments already except England.

 

Some people should maybe have thought it out a bit better, had the triple lock on all of the 4 Nations / Countries voting for in or out, 

the matter was raised and dismissed.

 

Anyway, what is done is done. 

[@Lee]

you know what really makes me chuckle? All those who say 'get over it', 'democracy has been served', 'stop whinging' etc etc.

Very mature and democratic of you to let ME enjoy MY democratic right of free speech.

Wasn't it the National Socialists in Germany that got the hump if people wanted to speak freely?

 

You do realise that if the vote had gone the other way, the Leave supporters would be moaning just as much, don't you?

If you say they wouldn't, you're a liar.

[trundlenut]

Without wanting to ruin a serious thread...

Going back on topic, given that we're only a day on from the result, and already key figures in the Leave movement are saying that there won't be any new hospitals and we can't *actually* reduce immigration, I think there is good cause for people to feel aggrieved and want a rethink (on both sides).

I don't believe Boris genuinely wants us to leave, as his stance was largely to put him in a position of power, and I wouldn't be surprised if there is some willingness to try and renegotiate and avoid a departure.

I think Boris will now burn very brightly but for not as long as he wants.

It will also depend on how long Labour continue to act as the official distraction.

Over the next few years there's going to be a lot of moaning. An awful lot of people seem to have no idea what they have voted for.

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[@Lee]

[Paul007]

Could be popcorn time.

[Mikek3111]

you know what really makes me chuckle? All those who say 'get over it', 'democracy has been served', 'stop whinging' etc etc.

Very mature and democratic of you to let ME enjoy MY democratic right of free speech.

Wasn't it the National Socialists in Germany that got the hump if people wanted to speak freely?

Yep. But thanks to the EU it's now politically incorrect Edited 25 June, 2016 by Mikek3111

[lol-lol]

The Referendum was last Thursday 7:00 am to 10:00 pm.

27.8% of those people allowed to cast their vote didn't. I guess some of those could have been ill or out of there voting area unexpectedly, but the majority of non voters just didn't bother. We should use the Australian 100% turnout system (ie you have to vote) Then everyone's voted = no arguments. 

 

Many of those 27.8% of those who did not vote could not as they were in the middle of moving during their end of term doing their degrees and other higher education and these are the people who we should have deciding the future of the UK.

 

So to get a fair and proper opinion of the people we must have a more 21st century solution to voting.

 

Clever Students who are in the middle of transitioning from end of courses location to work location and loose their vote as they cannot drive several hundred miles from their university location to their work location.

 

Examples of elderly home owners who complete the postal voting of the residence without their knowledge, needs electronic voting to come to the people not the 19th century solution of polling station which varies older more static voters.   

[lol-lol]

Shall we let new born babies vote as well?

 

What a stupid comment.

 

We should perhaps have a voting criteria of having at least 8 GCSE/GCEs or equivalent so intelligent 16/17 year olds can vote and half witted over 18s should not be able to vote.

[Eddie-NL]

What a stupid comment.

 

We should perhaps have a voting criteria of having at least 8 GCSE/GCEs or equivalent so intelligent 16/17 year olds can vote and half witted over 18s should not be able to vote.

just as stupid remark

 

There was an Italian Student on the BBC local news last night saying that people in Norwich voted in favour of remain because they had degrees

 

This backlash of blaming each other is not what is needed in what will be a difficult time to move forward

[meb90]

Debates involving politics and religion are guaranteed to ruffle feathers.

 

Don't get me wrong, I understand and agree with that comment. I just am not sure I see the need for such reactions.

[lol-lol]

Trouble is you remainers can't accept you have lost! If one of the recent Euro football matches had been lost by one goal, would you all be crying for a replay? No thought not.

Here's hoping what the next scenario will be:- see below

The beginning of the end of the whole corrupt, bureaucratic shooting match. And before anybody stars bleating, I have business interests in Spain & Cyprus & both countries, when you talk to the man in the street, would be pleased to be out as well.

 

The people of Gibraltar, where I visited last year, would not agree with you with its 96$ support for EU Membership.

 

I hope UK people enjoy queuing in the non EU lines for passport control to Spain.

 

If we do not get a reversal or put aside leave decision, then I for one will go for dual nationality of English (Scotland will have left the UK by then) and Irish Nationality so I do not get held up doing my travel for international logistics which I work in. 

[Mikek3111]

What a stupid comment.

 

We should perhaps have a voting criteria of having at least 8 GCSE/GCEs or equivalent so intelligent 16/17 year olds can vote and half witted over 18s should not be able to vote.

That's just as stupid an idea. Why should the ability to vote be based on intellect?

[gadgetman]

I think Boris will now burn very brightly but for not as long as he wants.

It will also depend on how long Labour continue to act as the official distraction.

Over the next few years there's going to be a lot of moaning. An awful lot of people seem to have no idea what they have voted for.

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Boris thinks he's the man.

Everyone in the Tory party will jettison him. Everyone but Boris knew he was never going to be PM or party leader

[trundlenut]

Boris thinks he's the man.

Everyone in the Tory party will jettison him. Everyone but Boris knew he was never going to be PM or party leader

But he's realised he won, which means he might have to do something about now.

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[lol-lol]

just as stupid remark

 

There was an Italian Student on the BBC local news last night saying that people in Norwich voted in favour of remain because they had degrees

 

This backlash of blaming each other is not what is needed in what will be a difficult time to move forward

 

It appears very clear that many of Leave voters did not understand the issues ie most immigrant are from outside the EU not from the EU, the economic affects of leaving te EU ie the so called and now exposed £350M a week EU contribution is chicken feed to the loss of GDP,  UK stock value, UK pension values (unless you hedged like I did to international bonds fearing the worse which sadly has come about, I made about £1500 on that yesterday).

 

The million plus signature that soon will be two, three million demand a rerun in a fair and way that can be properly audited and where 90 or 99% of the people can and do vote.  

[Mikek3111]

It appears very clear that many of Leave voters did not understand the issues ie most immigrant are from outside the EU not from the EU, the economic affects of leaving te EU ie the so called and now exposed £350M a week EU contribution is chicken feed to the loss of GDP,  UK stock value, UK pension values (unless you hedged like I did to international bonds fearing the worse which sadly has come about, I made about £1500 on that yesterday).

 

The million plus signature that soon will be two, three million demand a rerun in a fair and way that can be properly audited and where 90 or 99% of the people can and do vote.

I'm sorry but people had more than plenty of time to either make their way to a polling station, vote by proxy, or postal vote. Those same people now have no right or legal leg to stand on because they did none of the above and didn't get the result that they wished. If you was that concerned about the outcome then guess what? You should of got off your a*** and voted.

[trundlenut]

It appears very clear that many of Leave voters did not understand the issues ie most immigrant are from outside the EU not from the EU, the economic affects of leaving te EU ie the so called and now exposed £350M a week EU contribution is chicken feed to the loss of GDP, UK stock value, UK pension values (unless you hedged like I did to international bonds fearing the worse which sadly has come about, I made about £1500 on that yesterday).

The million plus signature that soon will be two, three million demand a rerun in a fair and way that can be properly audited and where 90 or 99% of the people can and do vote.

Someone who voted leave, and is regretting it said that there should have been some sort of official explanation of the pros and cons of each side. Basically made a decision on little real information. Also completely oblivious to how biased a lot of newspapers were in their coverage (The Telegraph is a proper posh paper and therefore should be impartial!)

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