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Picking thru the UK PM's speech from last Friday she announced the UK is looking for a single customs entry process ie the required export and import entry is combined in to one declaration which both the exporting and importing customs authorities accept as the only customs declaration rather than requiring the two separate ones.

 

When I was in UK customs we did look closely at this for transatlantic trade and it is a huge project to suggest with only 385/390 days to go and when even the implementation of the extra 300 million customs entries required to handle BREXIT appears to be stalling.

 

It would be great if it was something like that was adopted.  The UK would have to fully adopt EU's dataset and processes as would be required.  My own company, as the largest logistics company in France, would be one of the key players on this, suppose I better wait for the phone to ring.  Might send them an email just in case the UK government miss the link between announcing things and actually getting wheels in motion which they seem to do often.   Be good for the Irish customs border too, that they deny is going to exist but must exisit for goods, if there is to be two separate customs entities on the Emerald Isle.

     

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No matter what goes on in that place, please please please, just keep it civil in this place, no matter the thread   There is a balance for us to let you have a say and let you just go full

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Please can this thread be kept on the topic of Brexit. It seems to be veering quite heavily off topic along with some questionable comments.    I'll be doing a thread tidy later on. Should a

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Interesting time in Ireland then.

 

Been over there in the last couple of weeks working with Irish Revenue ie customs, on the EU Trusted Trader Scheme ie AEO, Authorised Economic Operator, and they are almost as worried as UK customs ie nowhere near the anticipated manning levels and data systems being put in to place to handle BREXIT.

 

Could mean checks on the existing rules through 2019 an possibly beyond.  Lots of overtime on both sides of the Irish border.  Australia is lucky in that it has so much notice of cargo arriving !  took me nearly a month to sail from the Middle East to Adelaide (Merchant ship cruise at 17-18 knots or so).  Here we have 10,000 trucks per day and advanced warning of manifested cargo could be half an hour !    

 

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You know what they need more Recruiters to recruit Recruiters so that they can start employing more staff but only after recruiting more HR employees and managers after more consultants are employed to see just how many more employees are required.

 

So that means people to do the job will be a long time in coming to get on with things.

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You know what they need more Recruiters to recruit Recruiters so that they can start employing more staff but only after recruiting more HR employees and managers after more consultants are employed to see just how many more employees are required.

 

So that means people to do the job will be a long time in coming to get on with things.

 

Like the sound of that.   UJK Customs have quite a graduate recruitment program and I see a good few them now and then, clever but the lack of experience tells.

 

One problem is that many of my ex-colleagues are retiring shortly as the do so at 60.  Some are being retained with sweeteners to stay on for a year or two ie pension plus salary double bubble.  Some go independent or with the Customs consultancy firms.  LinkedIn is going crazy at the moment for the Rocking Horse poo that are experts in this area.  Nearly 200,000 UK business that have no export/Import experience that are suddenly going to have to learn, get themselves an EORI number and get on with it.  

 

Do BREXIT and then retire sounds like a plan.  

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So here's a newsflash to you guys,there will be no difference in Ireland ,the north will remain in the EU sorry to break that to you,

I mean seriously do ye think the united 27 country strong bloc gives a fiddler's f@V* about one insignificant part of it commuting hari-kari,delusional is too small a word.

Be far more productive to

a)jail the brexiteers for criminal misrepresentation and 

B)start an information campaign to show people this is what happens when you can be added to turn out to vote.

 

 

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54 minutes ago, 181ce said:

So here's a newsflash to you guys,there will be no difference in Ireland ,the north will remain in the EU sorry to break that to you,

I mean seriously do ye think the united 27 country strong bloc gives a fiddler's f@V* about one insignificant part of it commuting hari-kari,delusional is too small a word.

Be far more productive to

a)jail the brexiteers for criminal misrepresentation and 

B)start an information campaign to show people this is what happens when you can be added to turn out to vote.

 

I see more of a fudge and dogs dinner result.

 

The UK government will say that Freedom of movement is maintained (of people) as per Good Friday agreement etc but there is a border for goods, hopefully by the high tech single customs entry solution rather than the full ICS early dec, the UK Third country Export Entry, the EU Import Entry procedure that is the EU norm but that is in the EU's power to grant or refuse, the UK no power to insist on it only to ask.

 

The UK government is all about fudging and kicking the can down the road and there is no sign of that changing soon if it was there would be detailed plan already rather than vague announcements.   

 

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GIBRALTAR.   Getting a mention again.

Isle of Man.   Guernsey / Jersey,  obviously involved even though not part of The United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland.

British Overseas Dependencies,  that are rather handy for putting money away out of the British Isles and not so good at paying back into the UK treasury.

 

So many fingers in the pie, and lots to be sorted out.

Hangers on that need to maybe get paying into their Military Protection. 

 

Republic of Ireland might like being part of the EU, in Europe and just connected to the British Isles by a border, but maybe time it pays for all its own air & sea protection 

some of which the UK and NATO are covering.

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Protection from whom exactly ?,Europe,the Russians,trump,england,

This is the fundamental point many seem to be missing,there is no Ireland,no France,no Germany etc etc it's the EU !

So to expand ,superpowers we have America,China,Russia,Asia,Europe,then there's the wild west aka the middle East

................and England....,..........

all on its one some.

 

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43 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

I see more of a fudge and dogs dinner result.

 

The UK government will say that Freedom of movement is maintained (of people) as per Good Friday agreement etc but there is a border for goods, hopefully by the high tech single customs entry solution rather than the full ICS early dec, the UK Third country Export Entry, the EU Import Entry procedure that is the EU norm but that is in the EU's power to grant or refuse, the UK no power to insist on it only to ask.

 

The UK government is all about fudging and kicking the can down the road and there is no sign of that changing soon if it was there would be detailed plan already rather than vague announcements.   

 

 

Complete dogs dinner.  

 

The Dutch have realised they will need 1000 extra customs officers, the French will probably provide 1 and create massive queues (actually they did this with VCR machines back in 1980s, they all had to come in via one port with one official). 

 

The EU will reject the UKs version of having cake and eating it so there will be panic and meltdown as old rules end and new rules not ready

 

The DUP will realise that no hard border in Ireland means hard border (or a border with different rules) to England so will reject it.   Government stalemate

 

 

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2 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

 

Complete dogs dinner.  

 

The Dutch have realised they will need 1000 extra customs officers, the French will probably provide 1 and create massive queues (actually they did this with VCR machines back in 1980s, they all had to come in via one port with one official). 

 

The EU will reject the UKs version of having cake and eating it so there will be panic and meltdown as old rules end and new rules not ready

 

The DUP will realise that no hard border in Ireland means hard border (or a border with different rules) to England so will reject it.   Government stalemate

 

 

 

It is not only that the UK is preparing to leap from abut 70 million customs entries to almost 400 million but also that the dataset is being enhanced at the same time ie adding buyer and seller as well as Consignor and Consignee and a host of other changes.

 

Dutch have already done much testing on this but have had problems.  UK is only just starting the testing and we are less than 400 days from BREXIT and the software houses and us users are still in early testing.     Half what the Dutch customs processes is on it way to Germany and beyond.

 

If DUP voting businesses start to take a big dive (They are risk of an over 10% hot compared the the UK predictive report average of about 5% economically) then they can call foul, ask the Uk Gov and Irish Revenue to invest hugely in to a technical solution but this should have been started in late 2016 not the high level details just being kicked about in early 2018 !   

 

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1 hour ago, gadgetman said:

Your licence won't be valid for that holiday car rental 

https://www.petrolprices.com/news/uk-licences-not-accepted-brexit/

When Brexit happens there will be no aircraft flying from the UK, three week queues at Dover so no one's going on holiday so no need for a driving licence. 

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