EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[lol-lol]

 

Mr Bojo clearly does not watch James Bond Movies with his idiotic idea of extending conjectino charge controls to international borders.

 

 

 

[S00perb]

Just visited the dentist today. My excellent Polish dentist is leaving the UK. Her husband, a dentist too, is also leaving. Between them they cover a 2hr radius here at 2 different dental practices. They are the ONLY dentists in the whole area. Not only are they leaving, the chances are that the dental practices will be closing unless they can somehow find dentists to replace them.

Result: 6 less tax paying jobs, no dental service for hundreds of people.

Do they HAVE to leave? - no. They can legally stay. But in her words "we don't feel wanted any more".

Well if you don't want a dentist you must be mad.

 

As John Major said today - day by day we are seeing the results of what Brexit is doing to this country. Day by day it looks worse.

 

16 million people have the right to keep saying Brexit is wrong.

The people who voted for Brexit should have the right to look at what is happening now and choose to change their minds if they agree that Brexit is wrong. The terms we are 'negotiating' are just bad for us, the future looks bad and the FACTS we made our decisions on were shown to be lies.

 

We are loosing jobs, industries, valuable people we need to survive and we will have our backs up against the wall with ANY country we try to trade with in the future.

USA says 'take our GM crops' - we will

 

Edited 28 February, 2018 by S00perb

[@Lee]

15 minutes ago, S00perb said:

 

As John Major said today - day by day we are seeing the results of what Brexit is doing to this country. Day by day it looks worse.

 

 

JM made an excellent speech today.

[Ryeman]

The people behind the reason you vote the way you do -

 

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/2018/02/28/cambridge-analytica-brexit-trump-campaign/

 

Murdoch, Boris, Nigel etc etc - 80 odd years ago they were called ‘fellow travellers’ (Joseph’s)

Edited 28 February, 2018 by Ryeman

[Ootohere]

The people that voted in the majority maybe voted the way they did because of the likes of Sir John Major and other politicians and ex politicians exactly 

like him who are in the pay of those that use the EU as they wanted.

For the greatest benefit to them, the ones that have the right to the best, the greater wealth. 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Major 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Carlyle_Group 

John Major Appointed European Chairman of The Carlyle Group _ The Carlyle Group.mhtml

'Ex-presidents club' gets fat on conflict _ Business _ The Guardian.mhtml

Edited 28 February, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[lol-lol]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/brexit-car-industry-no-deal-thousands-jobs-risk-millions-investment-business-committee-warn-a8233506.html

 

Brexit: No deal for UK car industry puts hundreds of thousands of jobs at risk, MPs warn

'Negotiations an exercise in damage limitation,' and there are no benefits to Britain from ditching EU laws after departure, says Business Committee;   “There are no advantages to be gained from Brexit for the automotive industry for the foreseeable future,” the Business committee wrote, in its report published on Thursday.  “The negotiations are an exercise in damage limitation.”   The report said a no-deal Brexit would “undoubtedly be hugely damaging” for the UK car industry, which directly or indirectly employs 900,000 people.  If the UK does not secure a deal, cars imported into the EU would be subject to a 10 per cent tariff which could make the mass production of cars in this country unviable. 

 

Edited 1 March, 2018 by lol-lol

[@Lee]

Oh dear how sad never mind...............

 

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A major Tory donor known as “David Cameron’s favourite plumber” has announced that he’s defected to the Lib Dems in a bid to stop Brexit.

https://politicalscrapbook.net/2018/03/tories-lose-major-donor-to-lib-dems-over-brexit/

[Ryeman]

......and now we proceed to the Donald’s trade war.

What a shambles 

[lol-lol]

6 hours ago, Ryeman said:

......and now we proceed to the Donald’s trade war.

What a shambles 

 

After Trump bragged that the US stock market was up by a third since he became president he is now showing that his policies are damaging the US economy and whole world trade, and Theresa May doing her own contribution to this by not coming up with a workable way forward with the EU.

 

US stock markets lost a Trillion dollars in value in late January and the markets are now looking to correct in the light of interest rates rising quite quickly over the next few months and investors picking defensive assets.

 

I have stopped putting my normal couple of K a month in to my pension fund, even though much of it goes to international bonds and to start storing cash and paying off any debts with a crappy rate of interest.  Massive inflection point in world economics making it look like have arrived at the 7 to 10 year down turn and sadly as the UK failed to turn around the economy since the 2008-09 recession many are not in a good position to withstand us all re-entering another recession without having a period of good economics over the last decade.   

 

[moley]

22 hours ago, Ryeman said:

......and now we proceed to the Donald’s trade war.

What a shambles 

What happened to the EU tariffs of 73.7% on Chinese hot rolled steel imposed in 2016?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/07/european-union-import-duties-chinese-steel-port-talbot-tata

[@Lee]

This could be a game-changer............
 

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The Irish Prime Minister has taken the extraordinary step of urging Sinn Fein to end its 100-year-old boycott of Westminster, to thwart a hard Brexit.

The Republican party has always refused to take its seats and vote in Parliament because it will not swear allegiance to the Queen or recognise the legitimacy of Britain’s rule over Northern Ireland.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/leo-varadkar-sinn-fein-seats-westminster-hard-brexit-abstentionist-a8231281.html

[Ootohere]

Someone smart can maybe explain please.

 

You produce steel like in the UK from scrap steel, so there is that happening again with the Scottish Plants reopening.

Or you import iron ore as the UK has to since it is not mined in the UK.

 

So China produces lots of Steel, and also mines iron ore, and exports,

like Australia and all those other countries on the list on wikipedia or iron ore mining countries. 

The USA produces steel, and also mines iron ore.

 

But for those that need more iron ore than they mine to produce steel, which is the USA i would think,

what is happening to the tariff on iron ore imports?

Edited 2 March, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[Ryeman]

1 hour ago, moley said:

What happened to the EU tariffs of 73.7% on Chinese hot rolled steel imposed in 2016?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/07/european-union-import-duties-chinese-steel-port-talbot-tata

‘Dumping’?

You can take action against it under WTO rules I understand.

Edited 2 March, 2018 by Ryeman

[Ootohere]

I understood it that of the US debt, over 1 trillion is owed to China.

I take it that China is just happy taking in the interest and the USA / Trump knowing they will never be repaying them.

 

I think there is only one loser in a trade war and that is the country that does think it is a Super Power.

The one trading when it spends beyond its means, like its bestest friend the UK.

[RicardoM]

On 2/28/2018 at 21:00, S00perb said:

Just visited the dentist today. My excellent Polish dentist is leaving the UK. Her husband, a dentist too, is also leaving. Between them they cover a 2hr radius here at 2 different dental practices. They are the ONLY dentists in the whole area. Not only are they leaving, the chances are that the dental practices will be closing unless they can somehow find dentists to replace them.

Result: 6 less tax paying jobs, no dental service for hundreds of people.

Do they HAVE to leave? - no. They can legally stay. But in her words "we don't feel wanted any more".

Well if you don't want a dentist you must be mad.

Don't you have English dentists to fill in? Where are they?

[@Lee]

8 minutes ago, RicardoM said:

Don't you have English dentists to fill in? Where are they?

Vancouver. 

[RicardoM]

9 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

Vancouver. 

Sure, that solved your problem...

[@Lee]

42 minutes ago, RicardoM said:

Sure, that solved your problem...

I can't be 100% sure but IIRC successive UK Govt's have cut back on NHS funded dentists which has pushed UK dentists into the private sector.
This has left a void that has been filled, in part, by dentists from EU countries. Now, those EU dentists are leaving in dribs and drabs, same as doctors, nurses ambulance staff and a whole host of other NHS support workers.
This suits the tories as their wet dream is getting rid of the NHS and privatising it. It's been bandied about that the NHS could even be part of a trade deal with the orange ****-gibbon. We know who the loser will be in that scenario.

[Ryeman]

TM seems to think that both sides have an equal amount to lose.

So 450 million is near enough equal to 65 million apparently.

[lol-lol]

5 hours ago, moley said:

What happened to the EU tariffs of 73.7% on Chinese hot rolled steel imposed in 2016?

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/07/european-union-import-duties-chinese-steel-port-talbot-tata

 

There still are some Anti Dumping Duty rates this high on some steel products and not just against China but several other steel product and articles of steel, Chapter 72 and 73 in the tariff....

https://www.trade-tariff.service.gov.uk/trade-tariff/commodities/7208400010?day=1&month=3&year=2018#import 

 

Companies in China that are not Dumping will get an intermediate rate between the 74% and zero of ADD.

 

Had a meeting a few ago with a lady from the Dept of Int Trade unit which is setting up the replication of the EU's ADD and Countervailing unit.  It is going to cost the UK many millions of pound to set up its own department to do these functions.

 

If the Uk does not closely, or exactly, replicate the EU's ADD and CV tariffs,and apply them rigorously, then the EU will stop a greater percentage of UK shipments going to the EU at the border to ensure there is not triangulation of Brazilian, Chinese, Russian, Ukrainian steel and articles of steel getting in the to the EU.

 

As well as paying this additional duty the potential importers must apply for an import licence or a surveillance licence before import, nightmare.   

     

[lol-lol]

13 minutes ago, Ryeman said:

TM seems to think that both sides have an equal amount to lose.

So 450 million is near enough equal to 65 million apparently.

 

She is stupid beyond words.  (2nd class Arts degree) 

 

UK trade with the EU, 43% of UK total trade.

 

EU trade with the UK, 6% of its total trade.

[Bignij]

13 hours ago, Lee01 said:

This could be a game-changer............
 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/leo-varadkar-sinn-fein-seats-westminster-hard-brexit-abstentionist-a8231281.html

That won’t happen. Sinn Fein would be benefitted by a hard Brexit. It would play into the United Ireland scenario.

[Bignij]

Just a thought and it is just a thought as I sit here looking at snow and expectant dogs.

All this money we’ve got to spend on setting up new customs, border controls etc. Could it have a Keynsian effect on the economy and create a bit of a boost? As I said, just a thought. 

[Ootohere]

It can give the economy a boost and reduce un-employment.

 

Just no Carillion to get the contracts.   Some other hedge fund / bank owned corporation will.

So spend real money on real contracts to build stuff, train people, employ people.

Do not just give it to banks for QE, or to the cheapest contractor that can not do the job without the Government having to buy them out.

 

So built all the stuff and staff it.

Then get renovating empty homes / property in the UK using those that want to work and those that need to be made to work.

Like the able bodies unemployed that the UK Government had this winter to be organised to be out snow clearing.

If they had got on with doing the organising last year, or the year before.

 

So real Apprenticeships for people trained by real journeymen / women, managed by real managers overseen by real finance directors and 

scrutiny by real Business People who might be MP's / Peers if they have actually ever been in Business that is not just politics.

 

What an amount of time these MP's have for BREXIT, makes you wonder what the ar53d about doing usually.

That would be getting ready for general elections, party conferences, tv media appearances,  a bit of journalism, second and 3rd jobs even more, fact finding trips and the holidays, spending time with the family and other loved ones during closures that parliament has plenty of. 

 

I see that MP's are getting a nice pay rise.   So not paid by Performance and how well they run the country.

Edited 3 March, 2018 by AwaoffSki

[skomaz]

11 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

She is stupid beyond words.  (2nd class Arts degree) 

 

 

Still better than Corbyn though, who achieved two E-grade A-levels before leaving school at 18 then later in life began a course in Trade Union Studies at North London Polytechnic but left after a year without a degree...