EU referendum/Brexit discussion - Part 2

[Ryeman]

He’s a gasbag not a doer and for his base, let’s hope it stays that way.

[lol-lol]

5 hours ago, moley said:

US import duty on EU cars 2.5%

EU import duty on US cars 10%

Donald might have a point. 

 

As you may know there are State taxes on cars, even municipal ones so Trumps action might be construed as taking money off the various States,especially those he is at economic and political odds with ie California and the other west coast states.    https://www.factorywarrantylist.com/car-tax-by-state.html   

 

STATE

CAR TAX RATE

TOOLS

LINK TIP

 

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Alabama

2% + county rate + city rate = total

Tax Brochure

Select city then click both city and county box. Add city, plus county, plus state car tax for total.

 

Alaska

0% + municipality

Tax Guidebook

Select location. Select "Sales Tax" in Government section. Run report to view sales tax rates.

 

Arizona

5.6% + county + city

Tax Calculator

View pg 1 of chart, find total for location. PPX

 

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Arkansas

6.5% + county + city = rate on 1st $2,500 -- plus --            6.5% on balance = total -----------          0% on vehicles priced at $4,000 or less

Look-up Tool USPS Zip+4 Guidebook Guide 1201d

View chart, find city rate, find county rate, apply car tax rate formula. 72201-1400 is sample zip code for Look-up Tool. Use USPS address tool to find full zip codes.

 

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California

7.25% + local

Look-up Tool Fee Calculator Dealer Handbook Dealer Tax Guide

Select rate listed by city.  Rate shown is combined total. 86T

 

 

etc.......

 

Edited 4 March, 2018 by lol-lol

[lol-lol]

12 hours ago, moley said:

Speak for yourself on this one. Corbyn is a two faced really nasty piece of work, look at his past, a leopard never changes his spots. He will sell this country down the river if he ever got into power, because it will be McDonnell and Lansman pulling the strings. I have very little time for politicians, but Corbyn is on a different level. Oh, and if you think Starmer will be the next leader you better ask Momentum.

I used to vote Labour, but I could never vote for Stalin  Corbyn and the KGB / Stasi.

 

It surprised me what a high percentage of Labour's 600,000 members voted for JC (over 60% I recall so over 360,000 Members, which is three times the total membership of the Con party !) .  

 

I voted for Burnham in the first round thinking he would be the best person going forward but like many Labour party members have warmed to JC as a counter balance to failed Austerity policy (for those on average ages and below) of the Cons. The Cons policy taking from the poor and giving to the wealthy, (the upper point for paying the 40% tax they are raising by almost £2K in thirty days time) whilst holding million of public servants, who are mostly paid less than £47K a year, down to a percent or two when RPI inflation is 4%.  No wonder JC's message is popular with that level of unfairness.  

 

The Labour Party's plan for BREXIT ie "a" customs union, ie Norway style, would be by far the least damaging scenario to the UK economy.  There is no wonderful world of golden trade deals out there with China, India, US etc, its a pipe dream.  

 

    

Edited 4 March, 2018 by lol-lol

[moley]

4 hours ago, lol-lol said:

It surprised me what a high percentage of Labour's 600,000 members voted for JC (over 60% I recall so over 360,000 Members, 

Momentum have engineered Corbyn into the leadership and they intend to keep him their. Now they are manoeuvring hard left candidates into council elections etc. Moderate normal Labour party members are being forced out. In our constituency  3 long time Labour party members were kicked out of the party before the last election because they wanted Labour voters to vote for another candidate to try and oust Jeremy Hunt.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/may/09/labour-expels-south-west-surrey-members-attempt-unseat-jeremy-hunt

 

Corbyn / Momentum's custom union is a pipe dream the EU won't agree, because the EU does not negotiate, it just says NON. 

[roo]

10 hours ago, moley said:

or a Tesla 3?

Aren't EU market Teslas part built in the US and finished in the Netherlands?  This is probably to avoid the 10% import tax and be at a lower rate, similar to companies avoiding the US 'Chicken tax' on vans like the Transit Connect (Ford US import them as the people carrier version, rip out the rear seats and windows and board it up. Dodge do similar with the small Fiat van). 

[Ootohere]

GM sold Vauxhall / Opel to a French Manufacturer (French Government Supported Manufacturer) There will be those coming into the UK and leaving the UK.

Ford build cars in Europe / UK/ Commercials in and outside the EU and bring them in.

Honda bring in engines to the UK from the USA.

It is all kidology as usual on what comes from where and goes where.

[lol-lol]

11 hours ago, roo said:

Aren't EU market Teslas part built in the US and finished in the Netherlands?  This is probably to avoid the 10% import tax and be at a lower rate, similar to companies avoiding the US 'Chicken tax' on vans like the Transit Connect (Ford US import them as the people carrier version, rip out the rear seats and windows and board it up. Dodge do similar with the small Fiat van). 

 

What Tesla Netherland import would have to be customs classified as a chassis and its other bits to not be classified as an actual car it would have to be closer to parts than a car with just a few parts left off...

 

http://www.wcoomd.org/~/media/wco/public/global/pdf/topics/nomenclature/instruments-and-tools/hs-interpretation-general-rules/0001_2012e_gir.pdf?la=en

 

GENERAL RULES FOR THE INTERPRETATION OF THE HARMONIZED SYSTEM

Classification of goods in the Nomenclature shall be governed by the following principles :

 

1. The titles of Sections, Chapters and sub-Chapters are provided for ease of reference only; for legal purposes, classification shall be determined according to the terms of the headings and any relative Section or Chapter Notes and, provided such headings or Notes do not otherwise require, according to the following provisions :

 

2. (a) Any reference in a heading to an article shall be taken to include a reference to that article incomplete or unfinished, provided that, as presented, the incomplete or unfinished article has the essential character of the complete or finished article. It shall also be taken to include a reference to that article complete or finished (or falling to be classified as complete or finished by virtue of this Rule), presented un-assembled or disassembled.......

 

In the good old days we, customs, would seize vehicles that had the van to car conversions avoiding duties, good days.  

 

[Ryeman]

Christopher Steele and Putin’s role in Brexit  -

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show

 

(and others for that matter)

Edited 6 March, 2018 by Ryeman

[gadgetman]

On 04/03/2018 at 10:54, AwaoffSki said:

GM sold Vauxhall / Opel to a French Manufacturer (French Government Supported Manufacturer) There will be those coming into the UK and leaving the UK.

Ford build cars in Europe / UK/ Commercials in and outside the EU and bring them in.

Honda bring in engines to the UK from the USA.

It is all kidology as usual on what comes from where and goes where.

Vauxhall factories might not be around in the UK for much longer if the warnings from PSA today aren't a bluff. 

 

No guarantees beyond 2021 

[S00perb]

Can't believe PM still talking about keeping the banking industry in London.

The adverts I am seeing are obviously for roles that point to banks going much further than just scoping and planning their move to the mainland - they are after peope to implement the move.

This is not a small thing for the UK. In a very bad year when banking was seriously hit by the last recession, it still accounted for more than a tenth of tax receipts:

Britain's financial services industry paid £61.4bn in taxes in the year to March 2009 – accounting for more than a tenth of total UK tax receipts – despite the banking-led recession.

[@Lee]

Anna Soubry. One of the more sensible tories.........
 

 

[Ootohere]

^^^ Not saying much then, easy to be the most sensible Tory.

Keep them away from the Westminster bars, and you get some of them that have a bit of an idea. 

Not to say that will not be totally different from what they will be preaching to anyone that will listen next time, or what the have declared as their opinion in the past.

 

Anyway, BREXIT means BREXIT and there was a referendum, then a General Election so Theresa May MP is the Prime Minister and leads the UK Government, 

so that is just how it is.

Tough titty.

[Ryeman]

If only Brexit didn’t seem so much like an accidental  ‘own goal’.

Take it seriously in future, is the message surely.

Edited 7 March, 2018 by Ryeman

[lol-lol]

7 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

^^^ Not saying much then, easy to be the most sensible Tory.  Keep them away from the Westminster bars, and you get some of them that have a bit of an idea. 

Not to say that will not be totally different from what they will be preaching to anyone that will listen next time, or what the have declared as their opinion in the past.

Anyway, BREXIT means BREXIT and there was a referendum, then a General Election so Theresa May MP is the Prime Minister and leads the UK Government, 

so that is just how it is.      Tough titty.

 

 

BREXIT is change.  Lots of work to be done,   In addition to the may thousands of job re-creating the customs clearance processes, both within the UK government, UK industry and same in those EU countries that deal with the arrival and export of goods from and too the EU.  Billions of pounds/Euros worth of business per year in processing those customs movements.

 

Also companies putting projects in to motion to retain operations with the EU so forming companies in mainland Europe so that continue to have a foothold in the world's largest market, lots of business in facilitating those re-configurations.

 

UK government, even with the Free Trade Agreement that Tusk has offered the UK, will get a cash-flow kick by collecting the import VAT, of the order of billions of pounds, on charging.receiving import VAT on that massive imports from the EU.   UK wholesale importers and consumer might choose to stock pile EU imported goods before BREXIT hits.         

 

Lots of work to do to prepare for BREXIT to mitigate its effects and even develop income stream from it.  As for UK consumers to realize the probably continued effects on goods inflation and plan accordingly.  Hopefully the UK government, whomever is in power at the time, can take such measures, such as reducing VAT below the 15% EU minimum, to mitigate the shock to the UK consumer due to the rise in landed costs of food and other consumables.  Restructuring challenges and opportunities all lie within BREXIT for both the UK and the rest of EU.  Businesses will choose their, and our, paths.   

 

Edited 8 March, 2018 by lol-lol

[Ryeman]

Cherrypicking is a blatantly crass attitude to any negotiation process if you want to keep your self respect.

Trump is a perfect example of the crass disrespect for process.

[lol-lol]

4 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Cherrypicking is a blatantly crass attitude to any negotiation process if you want to keep your self respect.   Trump is a perfect example of the crass disrespect for process.

 

WTO rules prohibit cherry-picking measures unless they follow their rules as rates (Most Favored Nation) must be available to all members.

 

Trump is already back-peddling on Aluminium and Steel with Canada and Mexico as it would have added $150 per car.  

 

If the 10% Al and 25% Fe is not within WTO rules then Members like the EU can impose retaliatory measures.  If Trump abandoned the WTO then all US shipment could be subject to 100% examinations for reclassification, origin checks and re-evaluation.      

 

Trump and May's governments need to do a lot more homework on the world rules of trade else their countries will lose hugely.  There is little the US produces that is cannot be sourced elsewhere.  

 

[Ryeman]

The U.S. has always lived beyond their means and the pain they have to suffer is Trump and all the bad side effects.

Time for Europe to lead it seems.

[skomaz]

15 hours ago, Ryeman said:

Take it seriously in future, is the message surely.

 

That's a hell of a slur you are making there on the people that did vote, on whatever side!

 

I've yet to find ANYONE who voted just for the hell of it without thought or reasoning (regardless of how those thoughts and reasons sit with others).

[skomaz]

10 hours ago, lol-lol said:

BREXIT is change.  Lots of work to be done,   In addition to the may thousands of job re-creating the customs clearance processes, both within the UK government, UK industry and same in those EU countries that deal with the arrival and export of goods from and too the EU.  Billions of pounds/Euros worth of business per year in processing those customs movements.

 

Also companies putting projects in to motion to retain operations with the EU so forming companies in mainland Europe so that continue to have a foothold in the world's largest market, lots of business in facilitating those re-configurations.

 

UK government, even with the Free Trade Agreement that Tusk has offered the UK, will get a cash-flow kick by collecting the import VAT, of the order of billions of pounds, on charging.receiving import VAT on that massive imports from the EU.   UK wholesale importers and consumer might choose to stock pile EU imported goods before BREXIT hits.         

 

Lots of work to do to prepare for BREXIT to mitigate its effects and even develop income stream from it.  As for UK consumers to realize the probably continued effects on goods inflation and plan accordingly.  Hopefully the UK government, whomever is in power at the time, can take such measures, such as reducing VAT below the 15% EU minimum, to mitigate the shock to the UK consumer due to the rise in landed costs of food and other consumables.  Restructuring challenges and opportunities all lie within BREXIT for both the UK and the rest of EU.  Businesses will choose their, and our, paths.   

 

 

Some positives mentioned there then...   and from a remainer...!!!

[181ce]

3 minutes ago, skomaz said:

surely

 

5 minutes ago, skomaz said:

Take it seriously in future, is the message surely,I think the op was referring to those who couldn't be arsed to vote tbh

 

[skomaz]

1 minute ago, 181ce said:

 

Possibly yes...   but that's not what he actually said...   so he might just want to be more careful and clarify next time so as not to upset people.

[lol-lol]

18 hours ago, Ryeman said:

If only Brexit didn’t seem so much like an accidental  ‘own goal’.      Take it seriously in future, is the message surely.

 

From the arguments of the leave side they would be subject to mis-selling if it was under the UK Sales of Goods Act for misrepresentation.  If the country was going to be £350m a week better off then that was so far off the truth that it can simply be called a down right lie.   The net contribution is more like £200M a week ie £10B a year and it was never clear whether the Leave campaign was talking about the UK as an entity or actually consumers.

 

UK government stands to gain billions which it will collect on imports, Free Trade Agreement or not, but it is the UK consumer that will cop for the higher prices in the supermarkets, in the garage forecourts etc.  Also the UK is losing out on being European Distribution Centres as they need to be in the EU to benefit from lowest costs and quick supplies to those 27 Member States.

 

The UK has not even left the EU yet but even the result of the BREXIT referendum has resulted in the UK pound being much weaker and driving up inflation to 4 % RPI and 3% CPI where wages are half that Year on Year.  We are starting to see tens of thousands of job losses per quarter on the High Street and industries.  The UK running at only 60% of the GDP growth of the EU average and its productivity 20 to 30% lower than France and Germany respectively.

 

It may not be too late to reverse some of the damage if the UK can adopt a Norway, Switzerland, Turkey solution.  Perhaps telling the 75% of pensioner who voted for BREXIT that the country can no longer afford the triple lock guarantee of rises might sharpen their thought processes and bring them the reality the workers of the UK are grappling with since July 16 and is looking like they will suffer until at least 2021.

               

[Ootohere]

If all this crap had not being going on since 2016 and the nonsense pre referendum where would we be now.

Would Call Me Dave be leader of the Conservative and Unionists, would Nigel be a poodle of The Donalds and a MEP as he is now.

 

Maybe Iain Duncan Smith MP and Sir Michael Heseltine and all the others would be screw!ng the UK public even more than they do.

Alasdair Campbell / Tony / Gordon would be on some media / print campaign. 

 

UK would still be in the mire due to the Finance Industry milking the public purse, and the EU taking the michael.

Up sh!t creak without a paddle or a captain to navigate it.  

 

At least now the Politicians and Civil Servants have a purpose, stabbing each other in the back.

[@Lee]

Quote

EU freezes Brexit talks until Britain produces Irish border solution

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-talks-irish-border-tusk-varadkar-northern-ireland-uk-solution-dup-a8246216.html

Given that even Trezza Maybot has said the country will be worse off, can I ask those who voted leave if they think it's still worth it?
Here's a link to 'those' analyses published by the Government. There's a couple of HMG PDF's near the top but the Chair of the Committee Hilary Ben said 
 

"The results of this analysis, undertaken by the Government with the aim of quantifying the potential impact of leaving the EU on the British economy, are already largely in the public domain in one form or another.

Allowing this information to be considered in its full context, rather than selectively quoted, will help properly to inform public debate about how the figures were arrived at and what the economic effects of Brexit might be.

The analysis suggests that there will be an adverse effect on the economy of the UK and all its regions, and that the degree of impact will depend on the outcome achieved in the negotiations. Last week the Prime Minister said that as a result of Brexit "our access to each other’s markets will be less than it is now."

The Committee asked the Secretary of State whether there was any specific material that he would prefer the Committee not to publish on the grounds that it was commercially, market or negotiation-sensitive. Having considered both the Department's response and the significant public interest in the impact of Brexit on the British economy, the Committee has decided to publish the EU Exit Analysis, with a single annex removed on the grounds of negotiation sensitivity."

https://www.parliament.uk/business/committees/committees-a-z/commons-select/exiting-the-european-union-committee/news-parliament-2017/cross-whitehall-briefing-published-17-19/

[Ryeman]

There was a time when the likes of Nigel, Boris and Silly Old Rupert would have been categorised as fellow travellers , in the light of what we now know about Vlad the Troll King. 

An Italian shambles (again)

Such fun

So cheap