PM statement at Number 10

[trundlenut]

50 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

What is the 'snowflake' bit? 

 

I know the Snowflake Generation, and the other uses of Snowflake and skodaVRS1963 uses the term in various different posts and sections, 

i take no offence personally because i am not so sure skodaVRS1963 knows what he means by calling people snowflakes.

Too much Trump.

[Ryeman]

1 hour ago, Clunkclick said:

Oh dear, isn't this just yet another re-hash of the  "Undeserving poor" argument  (Demonisation) from the 17th and 19th Century Poor laws, as  re-presented in 1979 and every election since, advanced by paid claques on behalf of an elite ?

What happens in 20 - 30 years time when the best part of the labour force in retail, transport and warehousing are automated out of jobs (As is predicted)- you could be talking about 10-15% of the current working population - do they all get moved to cliffside properties in anticipation of the next lemming goldrush ?

 

Surely, the gigantic challenge for the whole population for the next 50 years onwards is not whether or not they are contributing to economic output, an output that will be largely automated and increasingly unaffected by any human input (Including those that think they've made a disproportionate or unrewarded effort), it is how to fill the time and manage mental health in the absence of everyday workplace involvement. 

 

"More please" and associated issues was only an issue for the mean spirited 200 years ago.

 

The Monotheistic justification of business is as dead as religion's duck as  a source of all human validity.

 

Nick

In Australia we'd be asking, what happened to all that talk in the 80s about occupying your LEISURE time.

If you aren't protected by an award you've never worked so many hours a week than right now.

AI robots mean making the un(der)employed feel like wasters to be vilified by the haves.....maybe.

Something to look forward to?.

Where is the promise of a plan for the future, or is it just another put off job?.

[lol-lol]

22 hours ago, SkodaVRS1963 said:

 

Yes.   I don't have kids and, thank God, I have been very fortunate with my health and have been in constant employment since age 16 (I'm now 53) except for one period of 6 weeks.

Now I haven't always paid higher rate tax (naturally), I doubt anyone has ever entered the workplace at age 16 and earned enough to pay higher rate tax........but I have done for the last 25 years.  So I think I'm entitled to an opinion, don't you?

 

Make sure you are getting good tax advice as Higher Rate tax paying should be just a nod of the Pharisees ie us Higher rate tax payers just say we do our bit paying the higher tax of taxes but in reality, especially those in our fifties, actually do a nifty calculation, tell HMRC we are going to put thousands away in our pensions, get issues a hugely higher tax code, twice the normal tax code is not too difficult to achieve and get the combo of paying relatively little income tax and getting thousands extra in our pension pots.  Conservative's conserve.

 

Bit of a change in this year's tax allowance as that very kind George/Gideon Osborne up the Higher rate starting band from the nominal £43K to £45K (only gave the lower threshold a £500 lift I see on raising the 20% rate to £11.5K) but old George and party has certainly looked after the Higher rate taxpayers, a true friend.         

[gadgetman]

Given how long Labour have planned for a snap election, why are they still so unfocused as to policies? 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-chiefs-hiring-extra-staff-to-prepare-for-snap-election-rtf56t0kb

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, gadgetman said:

Given how long Labour have planned for a snap election, why are they still so unfocused as to policies? 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-chiefs-hiring-extra-staff-to-prepare-for-snap-election-rtf56t0kb

 

You are pointing to a Murdoch outlet that has no credibility for unbiased journalism.  

 

Here is something quite interesting ie a guide to tactical voting ........

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/pubhtml

 

and another site......

 

https://www.tactical2017.com/?utm_source=spreadsheet

 

 

 

Edited 24 April, 2017 by lol-lol

[Clunkclick]

The search for the elusive answer is at an end, Al's got 'em all:-

(Just let the clips play on, it gets better and better).

 

 

[Ootohere]

As terrible as the Conservatives & Unionists are how could anyone be stupid enough to have Jeremy Corbyn MP forming a Government with the SNP, Liberal Democrats, Greens and what ever others he would need?

Sorry no idea what MP's from Wales or Northern Ireland the coalition would need.

Edited 24 April, 2017 by Awayoffski

[@Lee]

**** me right. OK In case nobody's figure it out yet the right are trying to play into peoples fears.

MUSLIMS are coming. Poles are coming! Muppets are coming! Stealing YOUR jobs.

It's total *******s. People who believe any of that **** are being played.

In case you hadn't noticed, hordes of muslamic jihdadis aren't invading our 'cuntry'.

What's happening is the media are scaring people into believing that is the case when it's demonstrably not.

 

TM is calling an election to obtain a mandate she says she already has. Why?

TM says 'Britain is united but Parliament isn't' Why? She got a majority for A50.

 

 

[gadgetman]

19 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

You are pointing to a Murdoch outlet that has no credibility for unbiased journalism

It was just one of the search results from November last year. 

 

There's plenty of others stating Corbyn & Mcdonnell had said on Peston & Marr shows they were ready for a snap election. 

 

So the question remains, why this wasn't the case at all? 

 

Just confirms what a mess they've turned labour into. 

[@Lee]

I notice that @SkodaVRS1963 has gone quiet (again). I wonder if he's gone to get a reality check?

[trundlenut]

34 minutes ago, Lee01 said:

I notice that @SkodaVRS1963 has gone quiet (again). I wonder if he's gone to get a reality check?

Maybe he's gone on a cheap break to Spain courtesy of the sun?

[Dr Zoidberg]

2 minutes ago, trundlenut said:

Maybe he's gone on a cheap break to Spain courtesy of the sun?

 

Maybe he's been fired into the sun?

[trundlenut]

11 minutes ago, Dr Zoidberg said:

 

Maybe he's been fired into the sun?

1 down, 17,410,741 to go.

[moley]

On 4/24/2017 at 21:32, lol-lol said:

 

You are pointing to a Murdoch outlet that has no credibility for unbiased journalism.  

 

Here is something quite interesting ie a guide to tactical voting ........

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/1/d/19_yf4RL133fBKscvSbID4eRKwztzY9KSI_2BMaI1bU8/pubhtml

 

and another site......

 

https://www.tactical2017.com/?utm_source=spreadsheet

 

 

 

Are you suggesting that a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour government would be good for the UK?

[trundlenut]

46 minutes ago, moley said:

Are you suggesting that a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour government would be good for the UK?

But when you have people currently in government who call the NHS the National Sickness Service and say we don't need manufacturing is that good?

 

When labour differentiate themselves from the conservatives by saying they want to protect jobs, workers rights and the economy during Brexit and all the conservatives come back with is that Corbyn is crap, is that good?

 

May seems quite happy to look no further than her back benches for the people she has too please,  so is it better to have a Government hell bent on doing something purely on an ideological basis or someone who is just crap at their job?

[lol-lol]

10 hours ago, moley said:

Are you suggesting that a Jeremy Corbyn led Labour government would be good for the UK?

 

I am finding it hard to contemplate how JC could be even worse than the serious of disasters, laissez faire we have currently.

 

Ms May, as Home Sec, was in charge for over 6 years where over a million people got in to the UK, most from outside the EU, so she was a failure as the Home Office Minister and now looks to be failing as PM.  She clearly does not understand the EU's workings.  They do not care a rat's ass whether she has a majority of 1 or 101 they will work to the EU legislation and offer a deal, if any, on trade that benefits the 27 Member States.

 

The Cons has managed to mess up the economy and public services, the UK is a trillion pounds (£1,000,000,000,000) further in national debt than it was in 2010 whilst straggling the health, education and even the armed forces and police to beyond the bone.

 

Mind you she has really looked after us higher tax payers (cheers George/Phil) by raising the starting rate of higher rate tax from £43K to £45K and by having higher tax relief on pension contribution the Cons are really buttering our parsnips, due to this relief I do not pay any tax on my first £24K earned, then only 20% on the next £32K and then get tax relief on much what I then put in to my pension pot ie some more thousands, looking after the well off indeed where most public servants and lower paid private employees end up getting a pay rise less than inflation, currently 2.3% CPI, 3.1% RPI, or nothing ie a pay cut year on year.

 

John McDonnell (MSc) was Chair of Finance for the GLC and I think that he and JC can do much better than our current PM who has a second class BA degree in Geography.           

 

 

 

Edited 26 April, 2017 by lol-lol

[Ootohere]

Theresa May MP was not happy at flack coming her way at Prime Minister question time, she knows much of it is true on them doing everything for the already wealthy and little for those with little.

 

Strange woman in her mannerisms and not able to hide here emotions or is it her temper she is trying to keep in check.

She is an incompetent.

Jeremy Hunt MP, Philip Hammond MP, Priti Patel MP and others sitting looking so smug there, but then so do so many others.

[@Lee]

she beginning to sound like the needle's stuck............ "stong and stable...................stable and strong................stable, strong..................and a stable and strong.............." FFS darlin'.

Well. The tories aren't 'stable or strong'.

[Ootohere]

lol-lol, please tell us really what John McDonnell MP did well in this job for the GLC? 

 

Jeremy, Tom, Diane & John really are Labours problem & the citizens of the UK's problem being not fit for governing anything much really.  

Keir Starmer MP shows them up in how he behaves and every time he speaks really.

 A man given the name and the education & then the profession that must surely have him as the Labour Party leader sooner than later.

 

[moley]

21 hours ago, trundlenut said:

But when you have people currently in government who call the NHS the National Sickness Service and say we don't need manufacturing is that good?

 

When labour differentiate themselves from the conservatives by saying they want to protect jobs, workers rights and the economy during Brexit and all the conservatives come back with is that Corbyn is crap, is that good?

 

May seems quite happy to look no further than her back benches for the people she has too please,  so is it better to have a Government hell bent on doing something purely on an ideological basis or someone who is just crap at their job?

I didn't say this government were any good, but Corbyn hasn't got a clue. All Labour policies at present appear to aimed at winning votes, but no information how it's all going to be paid for.

Diane Abbott as home Secretary should be a real winner. I can see Labour coming 3rd in this election. It's Michael Foot all over again.

[moley]

11 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

I am finding it hard to contemplate how JC could be even worse than the serious of disasters, laissez faire we have currently.

 

Ms May, as Home Sec, was in charge for over 6 years where over a million people got in to the UK, most from outside the EU, so she was a failure as the Home Office Minister and now looks to be failing as PM.  She clearly does not understand the EU's workings.  They do not care a rat's ass whether she has a majority of 1 or 101 they will work to the EU legislation and offer a deal, if any, on trade that benefits the 27 Member States.

 

The Cons has managed to mess up the economy and public services, the UK is a trillion pounds (£1,000,000,000,000) further in national debt than it was in 2010 whilst straggling the health, education and even the armed forces and police to beyond the bone.

 

Mind you she has really looked after us higher tax payers (cheers George/Phil) by raising the starting rate of higher rate tax from £43K to £45K and by having higher tax relief on pension contribution the Cons are really buttering our parsnips, due to this relief I do not pay any tax on my first £24K earned, then only 20% on the next £32K and then get tax relief on much what I then put in to my pension pot ie some more thousands, looking after the well off indeed where most public servants and lower paid private employees end up getting a pay rise less than inflation, currently 2.3% CPI, 3.1% RPI, or nothing ie a pay cut year on year.

 

John McDonnell (MSc) was Chair of Finance for the GLC and I think that he and JC can do much better than our current PM who has a second class BA degree in Geography.           

 

 

 

Jeremy Corbyn does the work of two men.............Laurel and Hardy

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, moley said:

I didn't say this government were any good, but Corbyn hasn't got a clue. All Labour policies at present appear to aimed at winning votes, but no information how it's all going to be paid for.

Diane Abbott as home Secretary should be a real winner. I can see Labour coming 3rd in this election. It's Michael Foot all over again.

 

I am involved in Labour party policy forum at Constituency level and I take the balancing of the books, something the Cons have comprehensively failed to do over the last 7 years with an imbalance of the books to the tune of over one billion pounds a week hence the UK national debt still rising at about £70B a year, and all policies are being spelt out how they will be afforded which reversing the UK's  currently increasing indebtedness.

 

Shadow Chancellor has said about looking to tax more those above £75K income per annum (phew just under that) and that in my view which I will put forward as a tax specialist, can be achieved by raising the starting rate of NI but importantly raising the point where it drops from the full rate to the lower rate which from memory is at around £45K where it drops to only 2% I recall, raising that transition point progressively to £50k, £55k, £60k etc year on year should bring in crates of money from people who can afford it and it can be use on NHS wages and services etc.   Not cutting corporation tax to well below the base personal rate is also something that is on the agenda for Labour, a company should pay tax at no less than its workers.  

 

So lots of info about balancing the books in a fairer way rather than lining the pockets of the already well off is the policy rather than the Cons saying they are strong but they are also so clearly wrong in what they do and their elementary level of understanding about how the EU works international trade is sadly going to cost hundreds of thousands of jobs in the UK and end up with UK consumers having goods inflation several percent higher than their meager wage rises and result in misery for millions of people.

 

           

[lol-lol]

1 hour ago, moley said:

Jeremy Corbyn does the work of two men.............Laurel and Hardy

 

Got any facts to quote rather than inane and empty comments?    (Stan Laurel was a brilliant British film maker, Ollie a bit of a lazy but likeable American and their output admire nearly a century onward).  

 

Edited 27 April, 2017 by lol-lol

[trundlenut]

2 hours ago, moley said:

I didn't say this government were any good, but Corbyn hasn't got a clue. All Labour policies at present appear to aimed at winning votes, but no information how it's all going to be paid for.

Diane Abbott as home Secretary should be a real winner. I can see Labour coming 3rd in this election. It's Michael Foot all over again.

And the sum total of the Conservative approach is "Corbyn is crap".

[Ootohere]

Boris Johnson MP might rip into Jeremy Corbyn MP for how he is, but Boris was well shown up this morning on BBC Breakfast by Charlie Stayt, caught pretty as a dither, buffoon and a danger to the UK.

Simple questions, 'If Donald Trump gets the USA / UN into a war with North Korea where does the UK stand?'

 

Right up front no doubt, if the UK has any operational nuclear submarines (or even 1) that are roaming around with our rented squibs on board.

Edited 27 April, 2017 by Awayoffski