Not seen a thread here on this yet but feel free to lock if I'm wrong.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40723581

 

An interested, if misguided, thing to do...

43 minutes ago, Girardi said:

Not seen a thread here on this yet but feel free to lock if I'm wrong.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40723581

 

An interested, if misguided, thing to do...

 

http://www.evo.co.uk/news/19743/uk-government-to-ban-petrol-and-diesel-car-sales-after-2040

 

Followed by :

 

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/updated-hybrids-exempt-britains-petrol-and-diesel-car-ban

Edited 26 July, 20178 yr by vrskeith

Why must this be forced upon us, can they not just provide more incentives to buying electric cars or tax conventional fuelled cars more rather than an out right ban?

 

Unless hydrogen fuelled cars and the infrastructure take off this means I'll be buying my last new car in 2039 as for a number of reasons electric won't work for me.

 

 

I would suggest that by the time 2040 rolls around there will be a proper infrastructure in place to ensure drivers aren't left stranded on motorways with no battery charge, and the technology will have become sufficiently progressed to make electric cars, and variations thereof, an attractive proposition to consumers.

 

I would also suggest that driving a diesel car in 10-15 years' time will be viewed in the same way as smoking is now, i.e. what the feck were we thinking?

 

EDIT: My only concern is where all the electricity will come from? Hydrogen cells will be the new thing by then anyway.

Edited 26 July, 20178 yr by Jigger72

Where would all the hydrogen come from?

i would suggest by the time 2040 rolls around one half of the population will be wearing orange coloured jumpsuits with lovely remote control collars clamped around their necks and some of the others will be busy pushing the buttons..................Lol. 

 

The rest of us will be underground somewhere, planning . Auric is moving in ready, Lol.

 

Oh no, of course, he will have the master switch.........................

Edited 26 July, 20178 yr by Tilt

well chaps...i am 74 and by then if i am still alive i will have battery operated transport i am sure, unless i manage to satisfy the licence conditions...tell the truth about your sight, hearing, heart, and prostate...

any transport available to me then will probably be one seater open topped buggy..with shopping basket trailer

 

i see norway are doing it in 3 years!!!!!

 

chears!!!!!

geof

Edited 26 July, 20178 yr by mrcrow

14 minutes ago, Wino said:

Where would all the hydrogen come from?

 

Algae farms, improved renewable energy tech and hydrogen storage, electrolysis… just throwing it out there. 43 years is a long time in technology terms. Think back to the tech in 1974, or even just 10 years' ago.

 

23 isn't so long though?

14 minutes ago, Wino said:

23 isn't so long though?

 

is this a thread on arithmetical semantics...

everyone knows one mans 43 is anothers 23...they both contain 3 and 4 is the square of 2

Oh, if it's 43 years i will definitely be floating with the oil slicks.............................

14 minutes ago, Tilt said:

Oh, if it's 43 years i will definitely be floating with the oil slicks.............................

 

be glad to swim with you...oil be see'n ya

 

hope by then brexit is over..

bet the oil companies are way ahead of this already now that their money making oil industry wil no lomger be a monopoly. Propably have a hydogen plan on the go already for mass distribution.

 

What about all the heavy industry using diesel like earth movers, ships etc.

 

cant see mass vehicle plug in's, how will the electical generation cope with increased demand?

1 hour ago, Jigger72 said:

electrolysis

 

 

Just an inefficient way of storing electricity.

 

Hydrogen storage and transportation is a huge problem as it tends to disappear however you store it,  it's bulkier than petrol/ diesel and expensive to keep in a liquid form.  You can store it in high pressure tanks but these are expensive and have a limited life.  Very hard to pipe anywhere as well for the same storage reasons.

 

 

 

Edited 26 July, 20178 yr by io1901

3 hours ago, mrcrow said:

 

be glad to swim with you...oil be see'n ya

 

hope by then brexit is over..

 

Nah, we'll be on part 86 pg 73 on the brexit discussion threads and there'll still be no deal done or argument solved

11 minutes ago, mac11irl said:

 

Nah, we'll be on part 86 pg 73 on the brexit discussion threads and there'll still be no deal done or argument solved

 

just so long as the mrs and me lose our bus passes, winter fuel allowance, and no capped old age pension...

let me see...what else is there that they owe us for both paying nhi etc for 50 years me and my darling 40 years

oh sod it all..

 

Come on Brexit Business Minister/ Real car enthusiast , Donald Trump wouldn't allow this to happen.

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/aston-martin-ceo-combustion-engine-ban-either-disastrous-or-pointless

Edited 26 July, 20178 yr by vrskeith

Diary entry made. 1 Apr 39 - order brand new petrol car. Need to choose carefully as it will become a classic! :-)

Nice of Europe to go green, by 2040 the US, China and India will all have 3-4 cars per driveway and can kill the planet on their own. Not at all suspicious that BMW announce the e-Mini plant a day before Slimy Gove trotted out the news that Green Party chiefs can claim as a long-fought victory. Some apparatchik is bound to do a kiss and tell about the Govt doing a deal of sorts to keep post-Brexit production at Cowley. 

Theresa May MP / PM has just allowed Michael Gove MP to make a Right Wing T!T of himself.

(Being a Rupert Murdoch employee is not going to stop his journals ripping shreds out of him.)

 

A Former Justice Secretary just like Chris Grayling MP just before becoming Transport Minister and yesterday it turns out that Chris Grayling MP has cost the UK Tax Payers millions from messing up with Industrial Tribunals and the need for the Tax Payers to now refund those that had to pay for them.

 

So the current Environmental Secretary and the Transport Secretary that mess up what ever posts they have had, and both were Justice Secretaries and yet the UK's actions against VW Group seem to be nowt.

The Conservative and Unionist Chairman Sir Patrick McLoughlin was the Transport Secretary before Chris Grayling MP and during the revelations on Defeat Devices and he was serving in many Government jobs over the decades going back to Margaret Thatcher MP / PM and the UK going all Diesel promoting for Business / Commercial Travellers, 

he is another waste of space that has done nothing about polluting vehicles and has received a peerage.

 

U-Turns coming up and Theresa May MP / PM is off on her summer break and lets the muppets make sure they have no chance of taking her job later this year.

Edited 27 July, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

30 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

Theresa May MP / PM has just allowed Michael Gove MP to make a Right Wing T!T of himself.

 

A Former Justice Secretary just like Chris Grayling MP was and yesterday it turns out that Chris Grayling MP has cost the UK Tax Payers millions from messing up with Industrial Tribunals and the need for the Tax Payers to now refund those that had to pay for them.

 

So the current Environmental Secretary and the Transport Secretary that mess up what ever posts they have had, and both were Justice Secretaries and yet the UK's actions against VW Group seem to be nowt.

The Conservative and Unionist Chairman Sir Peter McLoughlin was the Transport Secretary before Chris Grayling MP and during the revelations on Defeat Devices and he was serving in many Government jobs over the decades going back to Margaret Thatcher MP / PM and the UK going all Diesel promoting for Business / Commercial Travellers, 

he is another waste of space that has done nothing about polluting vehicles and has received a peerage.

 

U-Turns coming up and Theresa May MP / PM is off on her summer break and lets the muppets make sure they have no chance of taking her job later this year.

This lot of Tories in power currently, are all up their own self important backsides, struggling for a grey cell between them, can't related to normal citizens and every action / directional move is a panic and very rarely thought through . Hence ,as you say George, is followed by  a U turn and even those are not thought throw, ending up being continuously re-jigged.

 

What a F.... mess we are in and a bloody laughing stock globally me thinks.

Edited 27 July, 20178 yr by vrskeith

They need to get Philip Hammond MP out explaining the UK's actual economic situation & investments into the renewables and the National Grid and into the infrastructure for charging EV's.

How it all works out in Pounds, Pence & Euro / Dollar / Yen / etc etc.

 

Where is the borrowing coming from to give the contracts to China to get on with the UK private and business users going Electric.

I take it that is China lending / leasing & not the Arab States.

 

???

Is it still GREG CLARK MP that is Secretary of State for Energy, Business & Industrial Strategy? 

Must be on holiday just now because some words from him might mean something.

 

Amber Rudd MP had the Energy job previously but then we know how competent she is.  Secretary of State for Energy & Climate change. 

No vested interests or the likes in Inward Investments, or offshore investments or offshore accounts, no current directorships in any companies likely to fail as she fronts them.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amber_Rudd 

Edited 27 July, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

Any mention of investing in new power generation since we're already on the point of brownouts?

 

But then this is a declaration of a policy beyond the parliamentary cycle so the current lot don't really give a **** about achieving it, only getting the soundbite and looking good against their political peer group.

5 minutes ago, Aspman said:

Any mention of investing in new power generation since we're already on the point of brownouts?

 

But then this is a declaration of a policy beyond the parliamentary cycle so the current lot don't really give a **** about achieving it, only getting the soundbite and looking good against their political peer group.

I've had this discussion here: 

 

EV are the future.  

EV's and road miles taxing, and controlling of the highways by digital connections & connectivity & IT,

GPS and energy rationing.

 

We know how the UK Governments are with IT and new technology and procurement etc.

So maybe just as well to keep an old enough Classic Car with the ability to run Unleaded in the family and have no MOT or VED to pay.