Hi all, 

 

For starters my apologies as I know there are lots of topics already existing regarding this issue but I have so far been unable to find one that assists me with the scenario I am in. 

 

2 weeks ago I purchased a 2010 Skoda Fabia MK2 VRS, the car was purchased from a small family run car showroom (not a Skoda dealership) in Bristol and has done less than 20,000 miles and has a complete Skoda service history. Upon purchase, the car was given a full service before I was given the keys (the only non-Skoda service it has ever had, but it was still recorded in the service logbook). 

 

After purchasing it I took the 150 mile journey back to my hometown in Cornwall, everything seemed fine and the car drove amazingly. However my problems began the very next day when I got into the car only for the oil warning light to come on. Checking the oil I found that the engine had used up all the oil during that one journey back home. I topped up the oil until it was almost touching the max level (1 litre of oil) and contacted the dealership to make sure they had not made a mistake during the service. The dealer assured me the service was carried out fully and apologised, offering a free service as an apology. 

 

However my troubles have not ended there, since topping up the tank I have driven no more than 400 miles only to check the dipstick this morning and find the car has consumed almost all the oil again. I know these cars consume a lot of oil bit this is a ridiculous amount to have used in such a small amount of time. Checking other topics on this forum I see people with this issue having Skoda check and repair the problem in various ways including the breather mod and full engine replacements, however I have also noticed that almost all of these cases include brand new cars which are still under Skoda's warranty. 

 

My question is despite the low mileage and the complete service history, will Skoda charge me for the tests and repairs if I were to take it to an official dealership to look into the problem?. If this is the case how much is it likely to cost and is this something the small dealership I purchased the car from will need to fix (as I do have a warranty with them). 

Any advice would be greatly appreciated. 

Edited 30 August, 20178 yr by Kernow84

I think that you need to talk to Skoda UK as soon as possible just to get a feel for how things could pan out - make sure that you have the car's reg and VIN to hand before you do that, that is if you are really keen on keeping this car. Other than that, as you have just bought it, it really is the selling dealer's problem to sort out - or you hand the car back and get a full refund. As you have read the other threads on this topic, things might drag on - would a Skoda "repeat" service make you feel that you were in a better position, though if that seller is VAT reg'd and used all the correct parts that might not be seen as an issue/barrier to progress. Maybe time service due and having that service carried out would discount that idea.

 

Edit:- I'm sure that you will be very aware that it might be that that car, having a known oil drinking problem was "sent to market" and grabbed up cheaply by that dealer that you bought it from, ie "rinsed" out from the VWG market place?

Edited 30 August, 20178 yr by rum4mo

Best return and reject the faulty car,  if the dealership that sold do not know the known issues they need to find out now.   If they need to repair or their warranty underwriter does it Willie a new engine needed.  Not a rebuild.  Or new squirters,breathers.  Software update etc.    Best reject or get your warranty with the dealership enacted.     Skoda uk / vw will likely provide them a free engine and contribute to labour, because KNOWN ISSUE TO VW AND SKODA.  ie they do not fight a warranty company because, they know why the engines fail...

Edited 30 August, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

PS,   no not all replacement engines were in new cars or even cars less than 3 years-old,  and some cars have had 3 engines fitted in under 7 years.   Pinned thread at top of page covers most of it. 

5 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

Best return and reject the faulty car,  if the dealership that sold do not know the known issues they need to find out now.   If they need to repair or their warranty underwriter does it Willie a new engine needed.  Not a rebuild.  Or new squirters,breathers.  Software update etc.    Best reject or get your warranty with the dealership enacted.

I agree, you would probably be in for a fairly prolonged battle with SUK, reject it and try again with another car - using your new knowledge of the problem. 

Sama as above! The family dealer most likely were not aware of the issue (Didn't intend to rip you off) But the sale of goods act, along with other rules/regs, mean they are still liable to any costs/repairs needed. It may well be more economical for them to offer a complete refund and then take up the issue themselves to re-coup their losses. Take care not to be led in to swapping/exchanging for a different car UNLESS the offer is in your favour and you are happy to accept!

 

Also, if you paid by credit card-any of the cost, even just the deposit, your credit card company is as liable too so if the dealer offers no joy, try the card company before going further. They may compensate you and then take over the claim.

Edited 30 August, 20178 yr by mrgf

Hello,

 

Your car is using approx 3-4 times more oil than the ridiculous quoted book spec below, also engine has really low mileage for its age, how many previous owners? 

Car might 'run well' for a while then you will get problems with coked spark plugs, mis-fires....

 

I was using 1L every 600 miles on short journeys. Paid 75% towards the 5 known fixes.  Its an expensive operation.

You are using 1 litre on 400 miles Longer journeys -  engine could be knackered

 

In the early days on my oil burner cave 2010  i could make a 600 round trip to Devon and back on 1/2 Litre of oil. ( 2 fuel top ups)

 

You should take the car back.......

 

Page 145 of Owner's manual includes the following observation:

“The oil consumption may be as much as 0.5 litres per 1,000 kilometres (621 miles) depending on your style of driving and the conditions under which you operate the vehicle. Consumption may be slightly higher than this during the first 5,000 kilometres.”

 

 

Edited 30 August, 20178 yr by Kobayashi

Thanks for the advice everyone. Will be looking into rejecting the car for this reason. 

 

Just to check, does the standard Fabia suffer from this issue or is it just the 1.4 TSI found in the VRS?

 

Many Thanks. 

The issues with the 1.4 TSI / TFSI euro 5 Twinchargers are kind of unique.

http://revotechnik.com/support/technical/14tsi-twincharger-engine-issues 

 

There are possible issues with early 1.2TSI Euro5's due to a cam chain tensioner fault that can be replaced and might be, so you need to check that.

As for Euro 5 1.6TDI's you maybe want one that VW have not had in for 'The Fix'.

A few things.

Was the oil used at the service 5w 30 Full Synthetic Long Life to VW 504 00, & is that what you topped up with?

Some engines do drink oil after oil changes with 5w 30 FS LL, but your oil use is far too high.

(This is the VW Recommended oil, sadly it is the cause of many problems with Twinchargers & even TSI's but VW, Skoda, Audi, SEAT will never admit that, 

5w 40 Full Synthetic VW 502 00 which is not for Flexible Servicing but perfect in Twinchargers being fixed serviced.)

 

Are you dipping the Oil when the engine is cold, the oil cold and parked on the flat?

Was it ever above the Crosshatch Area, like when you collected the car?

(At just above the crosshatch when cold is 3.6 liters in, or near enough,  the correct oil check is at Operating Temperature, then the oil should be at the top area of the cross hatch.)

 

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Have you checked the cars Service & Warranty history that Skoda has on the system, 

ie any Oil Consumption tests done, any breather pipe mod done or software update,

another thing but unrelated is,

was the DSG Service campaign 34F7 ever done, there should be a sticker in the boot beside the VIN sticker if it was done.

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions 

 

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How many previous registered keepers?

Edited 30 August, 20178 yr by Awayoffski

10 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

A few things.

Was the oil used at the service 5w 30 Full Synthetic Long Life to VW 504 00, & is that what you topped up with?

Some engines do drink oil after oil changes with 5w 30 FS LL, but your oil use is far too high.

(This is the VW Recommended oil, sadly it is the cause of many problems with Twinchargers & even TSI's but VW, Skoda, Audi, SEAT will never admit that, 

5w 40 Full Synthetic VW 502 00 which is not for Flexible Servicing but perfect in Twinchargers being fixed serviced.)

 

The Oil was 5w 40 to VW 502 00 standards. 

 

10 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

Are you dipping the Oil when the engine is cold, the oil cold and parked on the flat?

Was it ever above the Crosshatch Area, like when you collected the car?

(At just above the crosshatch when cold is 3.6 liters in, or near enough,  the correct oil check is at Operating Temperature, then the oil should be at the top area of the cross hatch.)

 

The car has never dripped oil and when I purchased it, the oil was just below the maximum marker. 

 

10 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

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Have you checked the cars Service & Warranty history that Skoda has on the system, 

ie any Oil Consumption tests done, any breather pipe mod done or software update,

another thing but unrelated is,

was the DSG Service campaign 34F7 ever done, there should be a sticker in the boot beside the VIN sticker if it was done.

http://master.skoda-auto.com/mini-apps/recall-actions 

 

Checked and no, the car has never had any tests done and the DSG service campaign has not been done. 

 

10 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

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How many previous registered keepers?

 

Only one previous owner before myself. 

Did the Dealership take it as a trade in from the Registered Keeper, and was that someone local to them,

or did they buy it at auction or in trade so that it could have been kicking around various people with no record of who?

 

PS,

i never asked about 'dripping oil', 

just when you were dipping the oil to check,  when Stone Cold dips or after the oil is up to temp, after about 5-10 miles min, ie operating temperature.

Edited 30 August, 20178 yr by Awayoffski