Anyone else HAVE DSG and the stop start driving (excuse the pun) them crazy?

 

First car with DSG and stop start and I’m realising how frustrating it is. It never bothered me on my manual Octy, but does on this!

Best to just get into the habit of pressing the off button every time you start up.

I have both - what's the problem?

This is my 3 car with a start&stop (first was 1.6 diesel Passat manual 2010, second Peugeot 508 eHDi 1.6 autoatic 2014 and now Superb 1.4 TSI act DSG my18)

Start&stop in Passat was quite horrible, Peugeot was fine and can`t say that Superbs is any worse than Peugeots, in fact it`s quite nice because I have to really thing if I noticed it lately and I haven`t.

might be sub zero temperatures - it doesen`t stop as much when driving short distances.

Summer might be a whole different thing. Have to eait and see.

Yes, compared to a normal auto, the DSG's inherent delay in getting moving does mean you need to be a bit wary when pulling out at a busy junction etc. The additive delays of DSG and the stop-start can mean a good 1-2 second delay from your brain deciding to go and the car going anywhere, can be dangerous if you don't anticipate it.

 

It can be driven round by feathering the accelerator, but I tend to just knock it off - and maybe putting it into S - if trying to get onto a busy roundabout etc.

 

Most of the time though I don't even notice it. I have had stop-start in various cars since about 2012 though and apart from the DSG thing, the Skoda implementation is pretty much the same as other manufacturers I've driven.

Edited 28 January, 20188 yr by juux

6 hours ago, rtj70 said:

I have both - what's the problem?

The engine can cut whilst the car is still moving very slowly, and tends to cut even though 1/2 second later you want to eg pull out into traffic. There is then a delay while it starts. Stop/Start with a manual is fine, because the engine cuts only when in neutral with foot off clutch.

I’ve been using the system for 3 years on my outgoing Octavia DSG, and while it can sometimes be tricky to pull away smoothly from uphill junctions, I rarely get caught out by it now. It does take some managing though in terms of braking softly if you think traffic might be about to move off again quickly, or switching it off completely if you’re in an unfamiliar traffic system when you don’t know how long the lights will hold for.

 

I tend to switch it on and off regularly during my most regular commutes, but find it really useful when I’m going through traffic light systems where I’m confident of a long hold on red.

 

Definitely takes some getting used to with a DSG and it’s never a system you can simply forget. That’s what the off switch is for.

 

 

As above, the engine cuts out when still moving.

I have had my car software updated to rectify this.....

The problem is it still does it, dealer says now it can't be changed.....

Tomorrow,  Monday I am going to see which lie they told me is correct, if that makes sense. 

I believe the engine should run while the car is moving,  the power steering also turns off. I think 1-2 seconds is not correct it is probably a lot less but it should be immediate when you are still moving, approaching an island etc.

My biggest worry at the moment is that the car Stopped dead in the road yesterday and I nearly hit my head on the steering wheel. I was accelerating mildly after turning into a side road (you automatically push your head forward due to accelerating) and 'Bam the brakes where applied, antilock activated etc and the car brought to a dead stop. 'What the ....'

 

Hate stop start and always turn it off.  Be surprised it if saves anything apart from additional wear and tear on the engine.  Tried it with DSG and works fine, didn't leave me with a dead engine but don't like it when pulling onto roundabouts.  Just waiting that split second for it to fire the engine means I had a gap, now I haven't.  Not for me. I might disable it it all the time with VCDS to save pressing the button.

I might ask the dealer to turn it tomorrow if that's possible then.

Traffic Sign Recognition is my next gripe, it's right/wrong 50% most of the time.

Whatever miniscule savings in fuel it gives is far outweighed by wear and tear, and damage to engine due to thermal shocks and lack of lubrication pressure and flow. It is already well known that battery life is greatly reduced and AGM batteries are not cheap.

 

But then its all about knocking a few points off the discredited test cycle CO2 just to please some gravy train EU politicians and so called scientists.

 

I can decide by myself when its safe, advantageous or environmentally desirable to stop the engine. Fortunately I've ordered the manual, and that's an easy task using the clutch.

38 minutes ago, xman said:

Whatever miniscule savings in fuel it gives is far outweighed by wear and tear, and damage to engine due to thermal shocks and lack of lubrication pressure and flow. It is already well known that battery life is greatly reduced and AGM batteries are not cheap.

 

But then its all about knocking a few points off the discredited test cycle CO2 just to please some gravy train EU politicians and so called scientists.

 

I can decide by myself when its safe, advantageous or environmentally desirable to stop the engine. Fortunately I've ordered the manual, and that's an easy task using the clutch.

Spot on @xman

1 hour ago, vfrvrs said:

I might ask the dealer to turn it tomorrow if that's possible then.

Traffic Sign Recognition is my next gripe, it's right/wrong 50% most of the time.

@vfrvrsYou can turn it off (or I should say disable it) but not sure If a dealer can do it.  Find a friendly person with VCDS and they can do it for you for beer money.

 

There is a thread about it.  Effectively you trick the system into thinking that the battery voltage is low so it doesn't switch off the engine.

Would be nice if it only cut the engine in the DGS when my foot is firmly on the brake rather than only just barely on it enough to stop the car. Its very easy at junctions and roundabouts for it to cut just as you see its clear to go. I can totally see how it might be beneficial in actual traffic, but not at junctions and roundabouts where you're stopped for fractions of a second.

 

Also as others mentioned, that it stops the engine while the car is still moving is just weird.

 

It’s too intrusive I think I’ll be disabling it. 

 

As previously mentioned, it’s the DSG slight delay before it picks up that’s adds to the annoyances of it. 

Just a random thought. When the engine stops we know power steering is lost. So does the DSG box also lose hydraulic pressure from its pump? That might explain the delay, the dsg mechatronics needs hydraulic pressure to build before it can do anything.

The systems are great, millions of them around the world yet UK drivers seem to make a palaver and pandemonium over it all.

Just switch off Stop Start if it does not suit or drive cars without Auto Hold, Electric Parking brakes and the likes, 

maybe Euro 3 emissions ones without PDF's or other emissions reduction.

8 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

The systems are great, millions of them around the world yet UK drivers seem to make a palaver and pandemonium over it all.

Just switch off Stop Start if it does not suit or drive cars without Auto Hold, Electric Parking brakes and the likes, 

maybe Euro 3 emissions ones without PDF's or other emissions reduction.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, if you don't like those opinions just pass by and leave them to it. You don't have to be critical of virtually everybody on this forum.

 

That was my post on the subject & my observations..

Your post seems to be on my posts nothing on the stop / start.  Are you a road captain as well?

When I have nothing nice to say, then I find its better not to say anything.

 

Edited 28 January, 20188 yr by xman

Am i missing something, the thread is about stop start and now the forum police are on the hunt.

 

As to Fuel saving or not, 

it can be fuel saving and emission saving.

Try going through the likes of Glasgow when 14 mile might take nearly 1 hour and stop / start can be just fine and works easy enough with Auto Hold, when traffic does move with short stops only, disable the stop start.

Edited 28 January, 20188 yr by AwaoffSki

I think it was the rant at the end that was a little uncalled for

 

"or drive cars without Auto Hold, Electric Parking brakes and the likes, 

maybe Euro 3 emissions ones without PDF's or other emissions reduction."

 

but I'll forgive you this time ski  

I get amazed at the nonsense on loss of steering and the likes.

The wear and tear stuff, the battery concerns.

Have you got a car yet with Stop / Start or done any driving with one and a DSG?

8 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

I get amazed at the nonsense on loss of steering and the likes.

The wear and tear stuff, the battery concerns

Have you got a car yet with Stop / Start or done any driving with one and a DSG?

 

You keep asking me the same question. Is this your way of saying I am not qualified to voice an opinion or ideas or concerns? 

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Oh and....Yes, I have driven cars with stop/start and dsg 

 

 

Just my way of asking have you driven with stop start and dsg and so was there an issue with the loss of power steering.