16 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

 

 

 

In effect an advert from a BMW dealer.

 

I wish all the people in Cowley who make the electric mini but it is, as the ICE mini is, a example of style over substance.

 

Expensive, poor range, borrows bit from the BMW pats in and squeeze them in to an ICE shell.

 

Compared to the e-Corsa, e-208, MG ES EV, Zoe Niro, Kona, etc etc, it is a poor effort from BMW that seems to making headway with its effort such as the i3 and hybids with ever better battery for drive.  Be interesting to see what percentage of minis are made in the UK post BREXIT !   

 

 

On 07/03/2020 at 18:41, lol-lol said:

 

The Zoe seems to have poor energy use at higher speeds compared to Hyundai and Tesla and particularly at lower ambient temperatures.

It will be interesting to see how PSA cars measure up but I am hopefully as they seem to be doing a lot right.

 

Using the Zoe range calculator on the Renault website..............

Assuming 15 inch wheels, 15C and in eco mode...............

https://www.renault.co.uk/electric-vehicles/zoe/battery.html 

 

31 mph     292 miles

44 mph     245 miles

56 mph     200 miles

63 mph     168 miles

69 mph     148 miles

75 mph     131 miles

80 mph     119 miles

 

The Zoe really does not handle the faster road speeds which, I guess, is down to its Cd which I gather is around 0.29 compared to 0.26 for a Tesla saloon, and more height, and the Teslas have better battery temperature management it is reported which helps with more miles.  Same for Ionic.  Work to do on the range and range.  

Edited 8 March, 20206 yr by lol-lol

I await the Video with the ICE against the EV.

 

Odd that these Motoring Journalists / Bloggers etc are not getting the V-Box or App going and checking these actual achieved 0-62's.

They keep being very un-factual.

 

184 BHP / 270 or what ever Nm

& 7.3 0-62 is strange and maybe understated, and not just Sport or just sport and TC on.

 

The 136ps / 260 Nm e-208 & e-Corsa are said to be 0-62 in 8.1 seconds,

except where Vauxhall  Webpages showing 7.3 seconds, before changed to 8.1  0-62.and now 7.6 seconds 0-60.  

which it can better.  As it is you never know until you try..

But then an early car magazine that tested them said 300 Nm maxinum. 

Maybe the car they got did have that in pre production. Maybe PSA wanted to show Peugeot, Vauxhall & DS as all being the same.

 

The various EV's being shown with BHP / PS & Nm Torque is all a bit over the place and like with a BMW i3 maybe people just want a car, but are as well to know what it does have, like is it one they bought equal to 125 kW (168 bhp) or 137kW (184 bhp)

 

Reviewers that say, we did some motorway miles when excusing the poor range really need to say how many motorway miles, was it at 70mph & how many or few were in the car.

 

0-60 is an odd one to use rather than 0-62 but that is a Media department thing that they do.

 

 

 

 

Edited 9 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

12 hours ago, lol-lol said:

The Zoe really does not handle the faster road speeds which, I guess, is down to its Cd which I gather is around 0.29 compared to 0.26 for a Tesla saloon, and more height, and the Teslas have better battery temperature management it is reported which helps with more miles.  Same for Ionic.  Work to do on the range and range.  

Not just Zoe, the I-Pace, E-tron, Leaf, most SUV based EV's. 

 

We need motorway speed range and charging speed, the quoted range doesn't mean much as most people's commute comes within first generation 2011 EV range. 

 

For this reason, I had been taking TeslaBjorn's 1000km challenge as benchmark for an EV's capability. Everything else is secondary as long as it meets my daily commute: 60 miles, 20kWh Leaf's efficiency. 

 

40 minutes ago, vrskeith said:

 

 

Again, very disappointing range.

Is the driver actually trying.

16 inch winter tyres should add a good few miles.

http://ev-database.uk/car/1168/Peugeot-e-208

 

I have yet to see a Motoring Journalist or anyone whip out a tyre pressure gauge at a car launch or say to the 'Employees' have you got a tyre pressure gauge.

Without checking pressures best not comment on the suspension / ride.

They pump up the tyres to help give better range,

and with petrol cars they have Super Unleaded in sometimes to improve that great engines....

 

195 / 16" winter tyres are not going to improve the range over the Michelin Primacy 195 16" or 205/45 17 Michelin Primacy tyres they arrive with.

At the launch the Journalists got the Media cars with Michelin Pilot sport fitted.

 

Unless you are starting with 100% charge and driving in Normal not Sport no point speaking about the range.

If you are just charged to 80% then make that clear in the reviews,

No point saying 'some motorway miles'  just say how many motorway miles.

 

Drive in Sport and drive fun roads and leave the brake pedal alone and use B to slow down, shifting the sifter from D to B and the range can be much better than she gets.  Or drive at 70 mph in Eco, it will go along just fine in Eco. 

 

They fail to mention about re-cooperation and the B being where it means the brake lights do not need to come on.

Any stronger braking and they would have to. 

 

Edited 10 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

Vauxhall e-Corsa review.

http://motoringresearch.com/car-reviews/vauxhall-corsa-e-2020-review

 

Peugeot e-208 review.

http://motoringresearch.com/car-news/peugeot-e208-long-distance-couples

 

 

It seems odd that reviewers might need reminded,

Do not floor EV's on not good surfaces with not good tyres, or with tyres over inflated,

then  like with some other vehicles with a fair bit of oomph / torque low down let them roll a bit then boot it.

Then you can even have the TC off and get a shift on but only if you have grip between tyres and road.

 

 

Edited 13 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

^^^^^^^^^^^

Not sure how to take the comment " On a day zipping around Berlin, range never became an issue. The cars were factory-fresh, so the worryingly mediocre 190km (118 miles) of range suggested by the full battery (on a cold day) was unrealistic. After two hours’ driving, range had actually improved, to 210km (130 miles).  During the day, I drove a city-centric 55 miles (but with a few blasts of autobahn). And at the end of day, there was exactly 100 miles’ range left. "

 

Hopefully the range is over 200 miles then and it was just the computer having little data to extrapolate upon.

 

When do you get your's George ?

@lol-lol

Hopefully for the end of the month. The order was for one with a 11 kW on board charger which Vauxhall said were not being built till the end 2020.

I did not need a 11 kW charger, but they said my order was being honoured, then last week said they were not building them.

Funny but a dealer down south has one advertised with 10 miles on it.

 

Anyway new order last week and seemingly a 7kw car in the colour i want is in Spain and coming across.

Vauxhall do not know their ar53 from elbow.

 

I wanted a 10 meter charging cable with 3 pin plug.

Vauxhall say you get one, you do not. They are pricing a 6 meter one at £580. I have one coming from http://4ev.co.uk

This is a 10 meter one for £240.  Same as for the Peugeot e-208, DS3 etc etc.

Peuegeot sales staff and Peugeot Customer services also useless. 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/vauxhall/corsa/first-drives/vauxhall-corsa-e-2020-uk-review

 

WTF is it with Autocar heading the article as they have when the e-Corsa is double that From Price before a Government Grant.

A petrol car is that price, and up to £26,000 plus.

 

 

 

Edited 13 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

 

 

 

LOL i will be following progress on this one....

 

https://jalopnik.com/i-ordered-a-brand-new-chinese-900-ev-online-1842363027?utm_source=digg

 

Production halted with the PSA Groupe so that will be no Opel / Vauxhall, Peugeot, Citroen/ DS EV's & Hybrids for a while.

 

Kerb weight is 1,455 kg.  Shown in various data sources including Vauxhalls.  No idea where 1,580 kg came from for him quoting.

The other figure shown in some countries is 1,530 kg. 

That is 1,455 kg kerb weight and a 75 kg driver.  * So me and a light lunch and car and full charging cable options as displayed might well be 1,580kg.*

(The old style Corsa E diesels had a gross weight of 1,580 kg.  These new Corsa are now the Corsa F, in Petrol, diesel or EV.  Confused...)

 

Official figure of an Electric Corsa is 134 bhp / 136 ps.

Maybe he should have tried Sport and B, or Sport and going from D to B to get a shift  on a good driving road with corners not a motorway.

The base model wheels are 16" and narrower tyres. Vauxhall does not have that seat material in the EV. Just Ultimate trim in the Petrol, 

and vauxhall do not have 130ps petrols, just 100 ps.

 

 

Edited 17 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He does get his numbers a bit mixed up.

160 horse power not correct. 134 bhp yes. (100kW)

 

 

 

Edited 24 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot

 

I know it is petty and unimportant, but even he needs to think, down the page we put 0-62 mph / 100 km/h 9.5 seconds,

yet i keep saying 0-60 (mph).

The thing is it is amazing you long it takes or how slow some cars are from the 60 mph to the 62 mph if you go by official figures or the road testers.

 

Then it is a 'GT Line' not a GT, 

like you get a GT Line and a GT with a Peugeot e-208 and it is a trim difference no power difference.

But with a VW ICE, GT Line was trim and GTI was engines and trim different.

42 minutes ago, vrskeith said:

 

 

Do like the Zoe GT. 

Shame I do not have 3 phase at home but how many people do.

Better than a corsa.  Leaning towards corsa or model 3 lease tbh.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Roottootemblowinootsoot said:

 

 

 

SEAT offering better value than Skoda, not on.

When comparing the VW e-Up!, SEAT Mii electric and the Skoda Citigo iV you need to look at the charging system and what is standard and what is the option like CCS. (Combined charging standard.) Or cheaper car with Type 2 only.

Then with the Servicing prices what are VW, Skoda or SEAT Main Dealerships quoting on each model.

Edited 26 March, 20206 yr by Roottootemblowinootsoot