Dealer (not Skoda) service plan for my VRS is £10.62 per month for 3 years including the first MOT. Can't be bothered to add that up but seemed cheap enough for main dealer servicing!

That's £382.32, MOT costs max. £54.85.

 

Service plan for new cars = £279 - 1 x Oil Service, 1x Oil & Inspection Service

Service plan for cars 1 year old or more = £387 - 1 x Minor service + 1 x Major service.

Skoda charge £39 for MOT.

 

So you can now work it out whether you've been fleeced or not.

I'll just say that the three Hyundai/Kia vehicles I had as brand new vehicles  never achieved the level of satisfaction I've had with the two Octavia I've owned from new.

 

Their vehicles are capable and reasonably good value and the Hyundai/Kia group are currently in the top rank of world vehicle producers but despite that they have never been first to market with any innovation or iconic vehicle to advance the genre. I don't know why but that really annoys me.

They could not even devise an original emblem for their Genesis brand.

 

Producing and selling Electric vehicles and hybrids seems pretty innovative, then having faith on your product and giving 5 or 7 year warranties.

If the 2nd biggest manufacturer in the world had not needed to cheat on diesel engine emissions to become the biggest in the world they might have been getting on with more R&D and less just offering so many trim levels and optional extras and building petrol engines  & automated manuals that had fundamental design, manufacturing, material faults.

More time spent getting the hang of Chains, Belts, Tensioners, rings, pistons, injectors, water pumps, door seals would have been time and money well spent.

1 hour ago, Offski said:

Producing and selling Electric vehicles and hybrids seems pretty innovative, then having faith on your product and giving 5 or 7 year warranties.

If the 2nd biggest manufacturer in the world had not needed to cheat on diesel engine emissions to become the biggest in the world they might have been getting on with more R&D and less just offering so many trim levels and optional extras and building petrol engines  & automated manuals that had fundamental design, manufacturing, material faults.

More time spent getting the hang of Chains, Belts, Tensioners, rings, pistons, injectors, water pumps, door seals would have been time and money well spent.

Hyundai/Kia were not the first to mass market hybrid or electric vehicles, that was done by other more innovative companies. They merely followed the lead.

The extended warranties originated in the US to 'prove' their cars were as reliable as the legendary status achieved by Toyota (against the poor US competition) but that was more a successful marketing innovation than an engineering one.

Kia/Hyundai have as many design faults as VW and have had their own proven cheating fuel consumption claim history which you continue to ignore as opposed to your boringly endless repetition  of VW's misdemeanours.

Try again.  

Kia / Hyundai were called out in Canada & North America on fuel consumption and had to issue fuel cards.

They are under the same Defeat Device investigations and EU test cheating investigation as many other European and Global Manufacturers.

Just they handle things better maybe, and follow others new technology and get on with actually selling it rather than spinning on what they will do sometime maybe once these squeeze every euro, yen, dollar, pound or what ever out of the manufacturing plants and customers that it is possible to get, while screwing over suppliers.

6 hours ago, Offski said:

Kia / Hyundai were called out in Canada & North America on fuel consumption and had to issue fuel cards.

They are under the same Defeat Device investigations and EU test cheating investigation as many other European and Global Manufacturers.

Just they handle things better maybe, and follow others new technology and get on with actually selling it rather than spinning on what they will do sometime maybe once these squeeze every euro, yen, dollar, pound or what ever out of the manufacturing plants and customers that it is possible to get, while screwing over suppliers.

I take it from your reply you agree that the Kia/Hyundai group is not innovative since you have not offered anything else.

Independent on-road testing of their vehicles (and quite a few other manufacturers) display similar emissions to the VW vehicles with recognised cheat software.

Hyundai/Kia were not taken so heavily to the cleaners in the US for their proven false consumption claims on all vehicles over many years like VW were for their blatant cheat because Hyundai/Kia have manufacturing plants there and heavy fines would have endangered US jobs (same with Fiat/Chrysler/Jeep). Fining VW heavily only endangered Mexican jobs.

 

Having said all that, If the Korean group do make a vehicle that offers the best characteristics and price I'm looking for then I'd definitely look with an intent to purchase. I'm quite mercenary.

At this stage they do not have anything close to tempting me to abandon my current Octavia, although I can see why others are attracted to the Stinger and i30N.

The i30N is by far the best car they have ever produced, even better than the Golf GTi, and that was their objective. Still a copy though, and when the auto version comes it will have (surprise, surprise) a DSG type gearbox.

10 hours ago, Offski said:

Kia / Hyundai were called out in Canada & North America on fuel consumption and had to issue fuel cards.

They are under the same Defeat Device investigations and EU test cheating investigation as many other European and Global Manufacturers.

Just they handle things better maybe, and follow others new technology and get on with actually selling it rather than spinning on what they will do sometime maybe once these squeeze every euro, yen, dollar, pound or what ever out of the manufacturing plants and customers that it is possible to get, while screwing over suppliers.

this is a very valid point,if VAG had handled their dieselgate  cheat with more respect and honesty for the customer they could have done themselves some good pr work but their handling was a disgrace and as good as my 2 skodas were there will NOT be a third.

26 minutes ago, Sad555 said:

this is a very valid point,if VAG had handled their dieselgate  cheat with more respect and honesty for the customer they could have done themselves some good pr work but their handling was a disgrace and as good as my 2 skodas were there will NOT be a third.

 

Hmmm, indeed, not just dieselgate but the fact that Skoda claimed 61mpg on an engine (2.0 184bhp diesel) where everyone here (bar the fanboys) knows you won't get within 20% of even if you drive like the vicar's wife.

 

My reason for leaving Skoda was that and the dreaded DPF regens......it felt like a ticking timebomb until the dashboard went red.

 

Apart from that, I loved my VRS.  But I wouldn't touch another with the proverbial bargepole.

Edited 29 May, 20188 yr by SkodaVRS1963

38 minutes ago, SkodaVRS1963 said:

 

My reason for leaving Skoda was that and the dreaded DPF regens......it felt like a ticking timebomb until the dashboard went red.

 

 

I've not owned a Skoda diesel with a DPF yet - I thought you didn't know they were happening via lights on the dashboard? I found the 1.6 diesel couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding on test drive and the 2.0 diesel version of mine was £5k more (er - at the time!) so I decided to buy a petrol instead.

 

Every manufacturers' diesel cars now have a DPF so presumably they have to do regens at some point (passive or active). I hired a Mitsubishi ASX diesel for a while with work and never really noticed regens.

 

I do wonder as diesels of every manufacturer are now looking cheap but I do worry about a DPF (I do 15k / years as my commute is long but rather slooowww and a friend had major DPF issues with a pd VRS on the same run).

 

Having said that I agree with the sentiment of this thread - Skoda's are no longer cheap to buy. However I'm finding I struggle for space in some other affordable cars - tried the Honda HRV the other day and it's simply not big enough for me! I also don't like Kia seats!

Edited 29 May, 20188 yr by bigjohn

Have a look at this guys. Right to the end.

 

Interesting view and a really good insight into some of the toys and especially the thought Kia have put into the car.

 

The presenters may not be your cup of tea (although I grew to quite like them), but their views are interesting, especially when talking about ‘the badge’. Something we talk about a lot on here. 

 

 

Well just to put this thread into a bit of perspective I have an Opel Astra 1.4 turbo at the moment and I would rather have a Kia...   ANY Kia...

 

PS..   It's on hire for a week so at least it goes back shortly...   It really is gutless and nasty...

Edited 30 May, 20188 yr by skomaz

2 hours ago, bigjohn said:

 

I've not owned a Skoda diesel with a DPF yet - I thought you didn't know they were happening via lights on the dashboard? I found the 1.6 diesel couldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding on test drive and the 2.0 diesel version of mine was £5k more (er - at the time!) so I decided to buy a petrol instead.

 

Every manufacturers' diesel cars now have a DPF so presumably they have to do regens at some point (passive or active). I hired a Mitsubishi ASX diesel for a while with work and never really noticed regens.

 

I do wonder as diesels of every manufacturer are now looking cheap but I do worry about a DPF (I do 15k / years as my commute is long but rather slooowww and a friend had major DPF issues with a pd VRS on the same run).

 

Having said that I agree with the sentiment of this thread - Skoda's are no longer cheap to buy. However I'm finding I struggle for space in some other affordable cars - tried the Honda HRV the other day and it's simply not big enough for me! I also don't like Kia seats!

 

My Octavia VRS CR Tdi was the first car I had with DPF and it was doing regens regular at least fortnightly. I’d only realise it was doing it as you’d park the car up and the fan was on full speed and would run on after locking the car up. 

Only after replacing the car did I realise this wasn’t the norm for a diesel with DPF. The replacement car doesn’t do nearly as many regens and when it does it’s not been noticeable. Don’t be put off diesels due to Skoda, others seem to have got it right. 

Who said they won’t depreciate quickly (and be the second hand bargain of the year)?

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201805236782384?atmobcid=soc3

It’s most New cars that deprecate,somebody on here with a BMW m4 got £20,000 off and lots of other samples can be found

So many UK vehicles with no WLTP carried out to be punted before September this year, or before 2019.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/owners/wltp 

 

 

If VW Group just owned up to things without being forced to in courts around the world, even then still being in denial.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/450777-there's-more-trouble-for-vag-in-the-usa

Interesting!

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidkiley5/2018/06/20/man-bites-dog-korean-brands-genesis-kia-and-hyundai-top-quality-rankings/#9816e5223e54

On 19/05/2018 at 07:20, SkodaVRS1963 said:

I was behind a Kia Stinger the other night, it's a long time since I have seen a car that has made me say "nice" out loud.

Test driven one (the V6 3.3 TT) a couple of weeks ago - awesome.

Sadly out of budget (for now) and slightly to impractical for us as the boot is a bit too small (shallow) and rear head room is tight)

On 19/05/2018 at 09:36, dunc69 said:

There’s also a PHEV and a 2 litre petrol turbo with 241bhp. 

 

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/kia/optima-sportswagon-2016/?section=data

Not available in the UK but the FL coming in a few weeks 'apparently' will have some more engines (and more kit) - looking at it closely)

Well this KIA is my replacement for my old Skoda yeti ,it’s std with a few more toys that the yeti minus (heated wind screeen and auto parking which I didn’t use in the last 4yrs)

On 5/29/2018 at 23:41, dunc69 said:

Who said they won’t depreciate quickly (and be the second hand bargain of the year)?

 

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201805236782384?atmobcid=soc3

 

Dead advert ? What were you trying to say ?

Of the others - 60 ads, all 30K+ with most being over 34K. Same on ebay only 4 3.3's.

Bargain only if you thought to begin with it was worth spending £40k on a performance Kia - something I beg to differ.

I think I'd have an used Superb circa 20K or less with the 280 and  also has AWD, it my point ( Stinger being unusual probably depreciate less, I already see one Superb 280 on ebay I could buy around that - or a 2018 for 25k )
 

 

Edited 23 June, 20187 yr by vRSAnt

If you are right and a used model from a good dealer hits sub < 20k in under a year on a nice example without moon miles I will eat my words and buy one.

Just had a butcher's at the pro ceed gt (looks an alright car) and built one on their config page.

 

Being a KIA, there isn't a choice of optional extras, but one thing which certainly caught my eye was locking wheel nuts.

 

Locking wheel nuts. As an optional extra. In 2018. Honestly, I kid you not.

 

 

Now I understand they're not a 'top o' the range' car brand, but that's taking the.........

2 hours ago, vRSAnt said:

 

Dead advert ? What were you trying to say ?

Of the others - 60 ads, all 30K+ with most being over 34K. Same on ebay only 4 3.3's.

Bargain only if you thought to begin with it was worth spending £40k on a performance Kia - something I beg to differ.

I think I'd have an used Superb circa 20K or less with the 280 and  also has AWD, it my point ( Stinger being unusual probably depreciate less, I already see one Superb 280 on ebay I could buy around that - or a 2018 for 25k )
 

 

The advert is dead because someone must have bought it since I posted. 

 

I agree the S3 280 is very appealing and was likely to be my next car. I just think the Stinger GTS is a little different and already a bargain new as I’m not interest in badge. The lease deals less so. 

 

But, I won’t buy new again. So, possibly similarly to you, I think a ‘half-price’ GTS at 2 1/2 to 3 years old may be a very tempting deal, especially with >4 years warranty left!  

 

As as you say, we’ll have to see what happens to their value. 

Kia Stinger comes 3rd out of three contenders in 2.0 litre turbo petrol EXECUTIVE road test in Auto Express this week. Jaguar XE and Alfa Guilia deemed better, also Kia most expensive bar on test.