^^^ this. Electricity bought and paid for at chargers or home often much more than the cars electric use driving might show. Charging losses, different charging in cold conditions compared to hotter weather, heating car while sitting in charging or pre-heating while plugged in.

Edited 2 April, 20251 yr by Ootohere

8 hours ago, Luckypants said:

Every two years. So biennial it turns out. Thanks for educating me.

Its Google we should both thank! I was not even sure what bi-annual meant so checked, if I ever once knew the word biennial it has long since been forgotten like a large chunk of my English vocabulary. Its been over 20 years now away from an English speaking environment.

I have used bi-annual for years when talking about Skoda corrosion warranties. They have said over the years that the car needed 'bi-annual' inspections so at Major / inspection services which were when servicing was minor and major year about. Or major at 2 years / 20,000 miles. Important was, the warranty terms and conditions never said that just Customer Service HQ. Old service books had the inspection page after each 2nd service page.

The costs quoted must be how much it cost for the Tesla during driving & filling up at the end, and filling the BMW up.

(No idea how much it cost to be fully filled up or charged before starting off.)

Charging at Lands End will not be cheap if not a Tesla Super Charger.

Nice when you get to a Super Charger that it is plug in immediately and get to your eatery and all the time is charging. No queuing on an Easter Holiday weekend etc.

£39 if 50 Pence a kWh is 78 kWh, 440 miles would be 5.6 mile a kWh.

£39 if 45 pence a kWh is 86 kWh, 440 miles would be 5.1 mile a kwh.

If you were paying 70 pence a kWh and getting 5.1 miles a kWh that is £60.20

Other than a Tesla, maybe getting 4 miles a kWh and paying 65 pence a kWh, 17.6 is 110 kWh. £71.50

Diesel 144 pence a litre. £6.54 a gallon.

440 miles with 50 mpg is 8.8 gallons. £57.55

440 miles with 55 mpg is 8 gallons. £52.54

440 miles with 57 mpg is 7.7 gallons. £50.36

No idea the actual costs for the Diesel as it could be less than the average with the chance of buying at cheaper places. Like the Tesla might not be always getting to Cheap Time Super chargers.

Edited 21 April, 20251 yr by Ootohere

I remember the really bad one at Tebay service in 2022. But I don’t remember seeing any reporting of queuing in recent years. Has there been any the previous Xmas and this year?

EV hubs have doubled in 2024, so hopefully queuing isn’t likely

https://evmagazine.com/charging-and-infrastructure/zapmap-record-growth-ev-charging-infrastructure

Or a really small Super Charger location like Aberdeen.

But as the Charger Hubs grow it is the BEV,s not growing in numbers as expected and then the crazy high prices at other than TESLA Superchargers drawing people to them.

The channel name has changed.

Hardly rocket science that it is worth getting to chargers with a Porsche charge card tariff or even a TESLA charger for Tesla non Tesla charging if you grudge the 90 pence a kWh. Leave the charger for others rather than hogging it for hours when you have a car that can Ultra Fast charge someplace. IMO.

As to a hotel charging 90 pence a kWh, they are not on a domestic tariff. They provide the facility thankfully.

(How much is a soft drink or alcoholic drink there compared to buying it at the Super Market or a Local Corner shop?)

Edited 3 May, 20251 yr by Ootohere

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Cost to public charge, maybe Rapid or Ultra Rapid still from about 45 pence to 89 pence a kWh.

So 10 kWh from £4.50 - £8.90, to maybe take you only 24 miles or maybe 50 miles.

The 300 miles+ at just 6.7 pence a kWh or so is lovely. 60 kWh for only £4.00

But there lies the Social Divide of Home / Work / Offpeak Charging compared to using Public charging.

Edited 23 May, 20251 yr by Ootohere

1 hour ago, Ootohere said:

Cost to public charge, maybe Rapid or Ultra Rapid still from about 45 pence to 89 pence a kWh.

So 10 kWh from £4.50 - £8.90, to maybe take you only 24 miles or maybe 50 miles.

The 300 miles+ at just 6.7 pence a kWh or so is lovely. 60 kWh for only £4.00

But there lies the Social Divide of Home / Work / Offpeak Charging compared to using Public charging.

Great miles per kWh at 5.5. Is the miles measured accurate baring in mind the reports on TESLAs mis reporting mileage covered ?

Happy with my 60 kWh Scenic, more like 65 kWh with buffers. Done 260 mile trips to Heathrow and 245 mile trips to Liverpool no problem without public charging. 60 kWh Scenic now deleted from UK sales listing and now only the 87 / 92 kWh long range Scenic available. 370 miles range nominal though we are waiting for latest version with one pedal driving software which adds a few more miles range and I should get that as an Over Air Update on mine.

Been meeting with HM Government this week and specifically with Trade Remedies department staff. Going to be interesting to what UK does, especially in regard to Chinese BEVs as UK aligns closer to EU. Son seems to want the Mini EV, middle spec with 220 hp and the 50 kWh battery which seems a good value car, now Mini have pitched below £30k. Be glad when they start assembling them at Oxford. Styling weird but hey ho.

The UK can get as close or cosy as it likes to the EU.

Chinese companies building Chinese designed / engineered cars with Chinese Batteries are building factories in the EU for cars and batteries.

Some EU Countries are happy to accept them and if Germany, France or Italy are not happy Hungary could not give a toss.

So the UK can have them in from far far away or just across the Channel and a bit into Continental Europe.

@lol-lol That new tariff chart per region is very interesting.

High time the South of the UK was generating more electricity and not just getting it cheap with lots imported.

Edited 23 May, 20251 yr by Ootohere

17 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

The UK can get as close or cosy as it likes to the EU.

Chinese companies building Chinese designed / engineered cars with Chinese Batteries are building factories in the EU for cars and batteries.

Some EU Countries are happy to accept them and if Germany, France or Italy are not happy Hungary could not give a toss.

So the UK can have them in from far far away or just across the Channel and a bit into Continental Europe.

@lol-lol That new tariff chart per region is very interesting.

High time the South of the UK was generating more electricity and not just getting it cheap with lots imported.

Lots of potential especially here in the South Wales and South West from tidal in the Bristol Channel but I think the Welsh want to rename it the Cardiff Channel.

Whether it is right across Channel and could generate 10% of the UK's need or just bay tidal like Swansea etc.

What did Merseyside and North Wales do to pay such high costs for day charge and pet kwh ?

Happy with the Midlands rates and look forward to even lower day rates and gas is getting well cheap but I am already on a fixed deal at 6.3p per kwh.

Chinese have most the lithium and LFP EV batteries even the hybrid batteries in UK and probably EU cars though Renault seem to go to LG Chem for their batteries and that seems to work well with good performance, buffers etc.

There is potential everyplace. Just a small point but the Principality of Wales is not England and really not there for England to get cheaper energy than in Wales.

The England / Westminster Government messed about for over a decade, 2 decades actually so what could be now is 20 years behind.

So where all these new wind farms, barrages, substations, SM Nuclear & pylons are going to be up and running this summer is a mystery...

The reason the EV Battery Factories are going up in Hungary is because Putin made sure that Hungary is energy rich.

Edited 23 May, 20251 yr by Ootohere

18 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

What did Merseyside and North Wales do to pay such high costs for day charge and pet kwh ?

I have no idea, but to those of us living here it seems grossly unfair given the amount of cheap renewable energy generated right on our doorstep.

12 minutes ago, Ootohere said:

Just a small point but the Principality of Wales is not England and really not there for England to get cheaper energy than in Wales.

Thank you. It's not here to provide Birmingham and Liverpool with free water either, but that's the reality.

1 hour ago, Luckypants said:

Thank you. It's not here to provide Birmingham and Liverpool with free water either, but that's the reality.

Birmingham built reservoirs in in Wales, and when the Thatcher Con government privatised English and Welsh water boards the then mayor of Birmingham actually did say that they were due their reservoirs back.

Much cheapness

This is as bad as my efficiency is getting at the moment when the temp is between 12 to 20 degrees C. Much the same in town doing the odd couple of miles several times a day or out of town on 60 mph bendy roads. AC on or roof and windows open. About £1 for 60 miles charging on the 3 pin.

(All season 16" 195 tyres on, not the 17" 205 ECO tyres that are OEM.)

Edited 23 May, 20251 yr by Ootohere

When you pay for your own fuel & car & no Tax Payer assistance and you have no home / work charging for a BEV then maybe they are just not that 'simply clever'.

Agree, without home charging running costs are much higher. For my car to cost similar to diesel per mile (at current prices of 139.9ppl) I'd have to be paying about 53p/kWh on public chargers. The local council slow chargers are 49p, so works financially just about but massive hassle to go into town for a 5 hour charge.

Depreciation has been a bit scary on mine too, probably lost £22k over 4 years. One thing seems to be that many people view 54k miles as high mileage for an EV, but wouldn't blink at a diesel with that mileage at 4 years old. This seems to depress it's value. I hope as cars age people will come to recognise they are equally capable of high mileages.

However, with home charging and with solar, my cost per mile last month was 1.85p! Much cheapness.

Edited 1 June, 20251 yr by Luckypants

The industry's perception of high mileage EV is indeed something that needs catching up.

Just today, new video from James from Cleevely EV on a MG ZS EV at 238k miles. Powertrain including battery didn't require anything done, zero service needed. Only thing need doing for the powertrain after all those miles is the gearbox mount and charge port door.

That means money saved on:

no DPFs, DPF regens, EGR coolers, cambelts, timing chains, wet belts, drive belts, starters, alternators, clutches or the many other components ICE cars require to stay mobile.

(start at the summary, because everyone's time is precious)

Edited 1 June, 20251 yr by wyx087

A slight benefit from PodPoint. The latest version of the PodPoint app allows you to link your Tesco Clubcard to get points when charging at Tesco. £1=1 point like other Clubcard promotions. Sainsbury's have been offering Nectar points on their charges for a while.

A small benefit, but significant that incentives are starting o be offered.

^^^ Tesco Club Card Reward.

Spend £150 & get a £1.50 Voucher. But you can double that value with Reward Partners.

(Not like when i had a Tesco Account and the First Club Cards and bought fuel and messages and paid everything and could x 4 the points value, then cut to x3, but i still paid my annual RAC using that, and sometimes had weekends away accommodation.

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Cost to charge UK, still some free, or 6.7 pence a kWh to some places more than £1.

That might be £10 to take you 30 miles or so...

An obvious point.

10% of a 60 kWh battery is in simple terms 6 kWh, where a 88 kWh battery is 8.8 kWh.

So if both are getting 4 miles to a kWh you are going further in from 10% in the big battery car.

(If you have only a 32 kWh battery and there is 10% only left, find a charger PDQ.)

Start hypermileing, get the AC turned off and start drafting busses or lorries.

A MGS5, 306 miles, 60 kWh battery. = 5.1 miles a kWh.

10% left might take you 30.6 miles, maybe more.

Edited 15 June, 202515 Jun by Ootohere

Warm weather and MINI Electric charging to 100 % at home and getting at least 110 miles from full battery is costing me

£32 for 350 miles.

That is 110 miles from the 6.7 pence a kWh and then public charging fast (slow AC) @47 pence a kWh & twice on Rapids @ 49 pence a kWh.

45 MPG & petrol at 135 pence a litre (£6.14 a gallon) would be 7.7 gallons, £47.25

40 MPG 8.75 gallons = £53.72

200 miles or even better 250 miles from a home charge @ cheap rate would be nice.

I would not have a New Chinese built MINI to be getting that as i like how the current car costs me more to run.

Maybe for the future a BEV with 350 miles range and being able to do that using 100 kWh of off peak so only £6.70 will be just too sensible to not get.

Edited 24 June, 202524 Jun by Ootohere