For anyone thinking on those cars, The Stellantis cars Peugeot / Vauxhall can come with bigger batteries now and more power, and as set with a switch to choose from 3 different power outputs.

Also 2 regen modes.

The MINI has 2 regen settings, and the highest is 1 pedal driving.  4 drive modes. 

 

The AC on comments on in these vids they make does makes me laugh. & temperature requested 21*oC.  That would have my b0llocks sweating. 

But then in hot weather requesting cooler like say for me a comfortable 18*oC does use more energy to get the interior more degrees cooler. 

 

One guy stopped on a back road but so his door is at the verge and another in the centre of the road showed their stupidity when i first watched this a couple of years ago and even more watching them again. 

 

The 0-60 thing and the 0-62 as pointed out is Matt and his commentaries and he does this video after video and gives gash figures. 

Then there is often comments on Wheel sizes. When it is the difference of Tyre widths and narrower tyres on the smaller wheels usually.

As for the more powerful e-Honda.  It is on Staggered Wheels / Tyres and they are wider than the less powerful car.  The e-208 was on narrower tyres than the Corsa-e.

Edited 1 May, 20242 yr by Ootohere

On 20/04/2024 at 16:31, Winston_Woof said:

that was a sidebar response to something mentioned by someone else and has nothing to do with tracking mileage of a vehicle (and not an individual) 

What's wrong with a National ID card?

We all carry something that can identify us, why not have a formal standardised method ?

I miss carrying an ID card on a regular basis.

 

if the government really wanted to make the UK a less attractive place for illegal immigration, an ID card would do more than all the other things put together. One of the biggest pull factors for the UK is that you can vanish into society and work without any form of ID being needed. 

Electricity price to come down by 7% or so in 5 weeks making it cheaper to run an EV.

 

Will go up 12% in October so worth thinking of cheaper charging from then. I need to look at 🐙 other tariffs than Go to get even cheaper charge rates.

 

Not sure where it will go with night time and day time rates when tge single rate tariff changes, last time day time rate changed lots but night time rate did not but it us already dirt cheap of course.

 

Running the EV energy wise is as cheap as having a petrol fuel card I find ie both around 2p a mile for energy costs.

 

Up near Fort William at the moment. 
 

556 miles covered so far 

140 kWh used 

£40 spent in supercharging 

(But left home 100%, currently 35%, so need to add ~£4 from home) 

3 supercharging so far, one more this morning before heading to Skye. 
Friend travelling together in a diesel GLC already fuelling up twice, going to top up again this morning. 

4 adults and a kid in the fully loaded car. Driving up to Carlisle first day, there’s always someone wanted to stop for one reason or another. Charged twice, never went below 50%. 
 

At most, superchargers were ~2/3 full. Never had to queue, all worked first time plugging in and got full speed. 

Public Charging prices other than Tesla and some Local Authorities are just crazy expensive.

Even Local Authorities Rapids in Scotland can be up at around 70-80 pence a kWh around Glasgow.

55 Pence Edinburgh,

 

@Premier Inn next to Ikea Grasgow and Braehead Shopping Centre.

The Braehead chargers were not working or 7 kW AC,s were giving out at only 2.3 kW for free.

Osprey charger @ Steam Wheeler are 79 pence a kWh

Grid Serve @ Premier Inn are 79 pence a kWh.

 

I used a CPS Council charger nearby that was working @ 57 pence a kWh. x 20 = £11.40 for about 75 miles.

Before i used a Tesla Super charger @ Heartlands, @ 51 pence a kWh.  x 20 =  £10.20  for about 75 miles.   (offpeak would have been 40 pence a kWh)

Before that a MFG near Edinburgh Airport.  @ 79 pence.  x 10 £7.90.  35-40 miles.

25 kWh in South Ayrshire @ 37 pence = £9.25.

33 kWh at home @ 22 pence is good for 100-120 miles £7.26. 

 

..................

Not a mention on charging in or around Edinburgh and the cost.

But anyway Tesla non Tesla charging is about the cheapest way to go and get Rapid or Ultra Rapid Charging.

 

But if you are buying 100 kWh @ 64 pence a kWh and getting 3.9 miles a kWh then £64 for 390 miles. 

In a diesel getting 50 miles per gallon. then 400 miles is 8 gallons @ £7.09 a gallon, = £57 ish. 

 

BP Chargers @ South Queensferry 85 pence unless maybe subscription and 69 pence a kWh.

Then any Edinburgh City Council are 55 pence a kWh.

 

 

 

I was only getting an indicated 90 mpg because coasting downhill for a few miles and 60- 65 mpg on slower roads but 55 mpg average using ECO PRO mode other than when bored and arses on my rear bumper in average speed camera areas or where speed camera vans are common..  (edit typos.)

 

Edited 21 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Those who can home charge, have bigger battery / longer range cars, or business users running cars as part of their job and claiming back VAT etc are one thing. 

then there are others that a private drivers and using public charging.

Very different ranges and real world costs for different people, then there is location location location as far as where one lives or travels to.

Even living on islands off the British Mainland.  

There are people who could not imagine using ferries many times in a year and others that do it for business or where money / cost is not an issue.

Social divide.

 

Main point in the equation, 

 60 mpg diesel = to the 5 miles per kWh.    

Lovely getting either of these in what ever weather / seasons in what ever vehicle. 

 

 

 

Edited 21 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

2 hours ago, Ootohere said:

60 mpg diesel = to the 5 miles per kWh.

 

That's a really interesting point (for me at least).  I had a 40 mile round trip yesterday.  Outbound 20 was an easy run and 58.8mpg, but homebound (same roads) was in traffic and once I couldn't maintain a dead steady, light throttle, pace I watched the mpg bomb, ending up at 39mpg overall for the return journey.  An EV presumably wouldn't be so adversely affected by stop/start slow moving traffic.

 

G

@Gaz no, but then 5 miles a kWh is a wish and a dream for many EV drivers even in ideal conditions.

 

Even TESLA ones if you look at the TESLA Model 3 thread and the latest video on the new long range car.

(I laugh at the roads driven in Cornwall and speaking of being in Standard rather than performance on roads were getting to 50 mph might be a wish and a dream.)

And as for handling others appreciate if on coming drivers stay to their own side of the road if possible in their wide cars.

 

I still just want to know how many miles per kWh an BEV is doing..

I do not drive km,s.   & really it is all just a load of numbers until you understand this guff.

Same with Petrol / Diesel, i buy litres, i want to know how many miles i can go per litre. 

(I do know how many litres in a gallon. but i do not drive in km,s, i know miles...)

 

70-75 mph is not driving fast, it is just driving to get on with a journey where the roads and speed limit allow,

We know the over 70 mph is above any UK speed limit,

& above 60 is if it is the NSL in a car,.,

 

 

 

Edited 21 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

I think 60mpg in a diesel is also a dream for many. It very much depends on the driving conditions, so I try to compare like with like. The most efficient diesel I've had was a SEAT Leon ST 1.6TDi DSG 2015 model, that averaged 56mpg over 43k miles. It's best average for a tank was 63mpg on a run down to the Pyrenees. It did more like 54 on our hilly roads here. The Karoq 2.0 TDi DSG did average 45.5mpg over the same roads and use cases. My point is that unless you have a small efficient diesel on 'economic' roads, 60mpg is hard to attain, just as 5 m/kWh is hard to attain for an EV driver. My man maths puts the price at which driving an EV is more expensive per mile for me is 50p/kWh

^^^ 2nded. 

& price for price BEV new to ICE vehicle that could be 50 pence a kWh or a petrol passenger car. 

 

MINI Cooper SE Electric 4 miles a kWh x 40 kWh @ 50 pence = £20.   160 miles. 

**I get 3.1-3.7 miles a kWh.  x 30 = £15.00 so 111 miles.  40 kWh / £20 would be 148 miles.**

Vauxhall Corsa electric. Or others Stellantis group or even VW group maybe 4 miles a kWh.

 

...............

MINI Cooper 1.5 petrol or a BMW Series 1 or 2.   144.7 pence a litre.  13.8 litres =  3 gallons. 53.3 mpg. 

Maybe not...  Maybe so for someone that gets 4 miles a kWh from a BEV not built on an EV only platform.

 

55 mpg petrols, maybe.  There will be Mild Hybrids that achieve easily over a 160 mile run. 

Skoda Octavia MHEV.

Skoda Fabia, Scala or Kamiq maybe. Polo etc.

Corsa 130 ps Auto.

Suzuki Swift.

Renault Clio / Capture.

Ford Focus / Puma.

Mazda 3.

Dacia Sandero / Jogger.

 

Edited 21 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

This is how it looks to get really low consumption, no A/C or heat, good ambient temp, low traffic.... 400km at 130kph.
 

 

I went to charge on the 11kW AC because the 50 kW charger is broken. There was a couple  couple in a Corsa. They had been on it 72 minutes and only got 8 kW.   They said they were just going to be 5 mins more. I asked them did they know they were paying £5 for less than £3 worth.  He said he was getting 11 kW.   That was what the salesman said he would  get. he would have had 12:kWh.   If the car Also told not to rapid charge.    Not to go over 80% charge .

  I will now be here till about 3.45 to get to 100 % and ready for heading off later.   Get my fivers worth.   Ps.  I had £4.25 worth of electricity to be full, charged £5.   But so far my last charge here that was £5.09 is not on my account.  That was when charging and reporting the CCS charger out of order and being told I could not use the AC but I already was.  Must not have registered . 

Edited 28 June, 20241 yr by Ootohere

3.8 miles to the kWh in MINI Electric.

32.6 kWh battery, 28.9 kWh usable,   so really count as 30 kWh and 3.8 miles a kWh = 114 miles.

  It needs low speeds and not too hot and not too cold weather to get over 120 miles.  18*oC ambient is a sweet spot.  No AC on. 

 

Yesterday & last night 350 miles cost me £45 with public charging and back to 100% charged at home.

£6 on the 3 pin once home, & £39 public charging.

 

Petrol at 142 pence a litre (£6.45 a gallon) 

 and getting 50 mpg would have been £45 and not the frustration i had with chargers yesterday.

If just getting 45 mph then that would be 7.7 gallons, £50.

 

So 110 miles with 22 pence a kWh home tariff and 240 mile with 31 pence, 38 pence and 58 pence public charging tariffs.

 

If i had charged at Podpoint that might have been 65 pence a kWh, BP 69 pence and MFG and others, 75, 79 or even 85 pence a kWh. InstaVolt.

 

Charging non peak time at a TESLA Super charger with Tesla non Tesla could have been under 50 pence a kWh, but i was not passing near any. 

As low as 41 pence a kWh. 52 pence peak time.

 

.............

No idea what Charge Place Scotland are doing but i am due them £120.85.

They took by DD this month for charging up to April 2024 & no idea when they will be wanting the outstanding amount.

As it is were i can use the RFID card and it works there is no point using a CC or Debit card. 

 

Lots of the sessions are ones where the charger cuts out and needs restarted, and sometimes no minimum charge, £1 or £2, and there are ones that were charged & even a £5 charge for 1 kWh.  They have not responded to me disputing these, but then there are times i get a charger working and get electricity and no record of it.  Swings & roundabouts. 

 

Edited 28 July, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Octopus Energy introduce new tariff which can charge an EV for 6.5 pence per kWh ie well less than 2 p a mile for many EVs.

 

Gridserve, the charging network at the motorway services, finally introduce an App and give 20% discount for first 90 days. Some reckon the reduction will be permanent and with upcoming price wars we should see prices 60p per kwh or less and with more Tesla chargers access to charging at 30p to 40p at many Tesla chargers at all put peak times.

 

The future looking rosy.

 

Octopus energy tariff requires you are where you have the Smart Meter, wall charger or are using someone else's. 

Much cheapness, as it can be for people with off street parking and smart meters / chargers.

The Social divide. 

More cheap public chargers needed ie at these super cheap home rates, even 10p a kwh would be great and popular I reckon.

 

I am charged to 100% and the MINI Electrics range will be about 114 miles.

So i need to charge in 98 miles near Edinburgh airport and it will be around 25 kWh i will be taking.

 

Go a little out of my way / direct route and i can charge 5 miles away at PodPoint.  Reliable but 1 charger so needs to be free.

65 pence a kWh x 25 £16.25

I could stop at MFG / BP Filling station. Reliable, but sometimes card activation messes about.

79 pence a kWh x 25 £19.75

Edinburgh Airport Park & ride. Chargers unreliable, cut out etc, and not a good charge speed. 

58 pence a kWh x 25 £14.50

Or BP Pulse @ a filling station which requires going a couple of miles back and fore in possible busy traffic because it is on the opposite side of the dual carriageway.

63 pence a kWh x 25 £15.75.

But i can not get my sign in to work, this is often an issue, and card sometimes does not work so Pay & go is 83 pence.

83 pence a kWh x 25 £20.75

 

Probably going MFG and then there is BP or McD for toilets.

At the airport park and ride the Toilets at the Tram Ticket office will be closed and the charge time will be double.

so 98 miles & going to be paying £19.75

(Next charge will be @22 pence a kWh and 22 kW so £4.84)

 

Petrol @ 144 pence a liter / £6.55 a gallon. 40 MPG =2.45 gallon. £16.04

Diesel @ 149 pence a liter / £6.77 a gallon 50 MPG = 1.96 gallon. £13.27

Edited 5 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Arrived at MFG after 98 miles with 18 miles range 19%. Took time to get around the BP station to charge. Grid lock in and out of McD,s.    Tried 2 credit cards tap and pay, neither authorised so uses Apple Pay tap and charging.  24 degrees C here and sunny. ****ed down all the way to and through Glasgow. 

Edited 5 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

you're doing a sterling job of promoting the EV dream ;o)

1 minute ago, Winston_Woof said:

you're doing a sterling job of promoting the EV dream ;o)

Telling it like it is, as do I. There's no point lying to folks about the realities of running an EV. My story is a good one (cheap, easy, no queues blah blah), his is not so good due to relying on public charging so much. 

1 minute ago, Luckypants said:

Telling it like it is, as do I. There's no point lying to folks about the realities of running an EV. My story is a good one (cheap, easy, no queues blah blah), his is not so good due to relying on public charging so much. 

and except for the privileged minority who can charge at home longer term  the majority of future EV users will likely need to rely on public charging

TBH the problem, as he is well aware when choosing this vehicle, is driving quite long distances in a short range EV. I've had and once a year still do experience this (for MOT). 

 

This hugely shrinks charge point search radius. So even if charge point not suitable, going to plan B may mean it's the final destination and usually not worth it. So need to wait on the phone to sort it out. 

 

With longer range EV, public charging is rarely a problem. After 2 hours, if this rest stop can't charge it, simply drive 1 more hour to the next rest stop. 

7 minutes ago, Winston_Woof said:

and except for the privileged minority who can charge at home longer term  the majority of future EV users will likely need to rely on public charging

No argument here, EV works for some and not others. I believe the 'others' group will get smaller and smaller over time, while those worried about having EV foisted on them are rightly sceptics. This is why its important those of us with EVs tell the truth about running one, so people get facts not FUD.

I  have lots of easy charging, some free charging and some errors where I get free charging by accident of the suppliers.   But this is in Scotland and in places that are often not well known and I am not telling everyone about.  Charge Place Scotland and the councils they own chargers is really the issue.  And who most of the 32 councils had their maintenance contracts with, SWARCO.  Separate from the Division running CPS.   Then the old chargers council have and the hopeless response to getting them repaired.    There are councils with SWARCO having a love in like Dundee.  There are councils with others doing the maintenance and prompt repairs.  Thank goodness though for Commercial chargers now and over 50 kW units.  And near facilities.    There are areas that are hopeless though like Royal Deeside and the southern Cairgorms.  Tourist routes.   PS. Heading to the Highlands so next stop Blairgowrie where charging not an issue.  Then north into the hills  the Rapids can be so the MINI is fine. Just get on the AC chargers which are reliable or if needs must a 3 pin socket.. once up to Deeside and the Cairgorms it lots of downhills to get to charging. 

Edited 5 August, 20241 yr by Ootohere

Public charging at under 50 pence a kWh is comparable to me using an ICE car.

The home charging and having charges at home makes the charging over 50 pence a kWh to as much as 79 pence OK, just but being able to get the Tesla charging in Scotland really helps. 

 

 

Tesla none Tesla charging off peak is costing me 48 pence a kWk at present. 

10 kWh £4.80,   3.7 miles a kWh = 37 miles.

 

30 kWh £14.40.  111 miles. 

...............

 

South Ayrshire Council chargers,

I have charged twice yesterday and today @ 37 pence a kWh, Minimum charge £5.

So 14 kWh = £5.18.

14 x 3.7 = 51.8 miles. 

28 kWh = £10.36

30 kWh £11.10   111 miles.

 

(AC charging 7 or 11 kW is 31 pence a kWh,

30 kWh, £9.30)

 

Home charge tariff.

6.7 pence a kWh. 

30 kWh = £2.01.   Local use maybe 90 miles and on a run 105-115 miles

 

....................

Unleaded 139.9 pence a liter.   £6.36 a gallon.  110 miles at 45 mpg = £15.54

Diesel 144.9  pence a liter.        £6.59 a gallon.   110 miles at 55 mpg =  £13.18

Edited 30 October, 20241 yr by Ootohere