Well the Mk3 Octavia vRS TDI is hitting some high miles nowadays and I’m looking at going from the TDI to the TSI. I’m also looking at getting the TSI in DSG as opposed to the manual box my current Mk3 has.

 

Is there anything I should be aware of beforehand? I’m aware there is quite a jump in BHP and a nicer sound of the TSI, but apart from that and the headlights on the Mk3 facelift, is there any other change?

 

Thanks.

You might be filling it up more often? 

It’s quieter than the TDI. The exhaust doesn’t sound that great. You need to at least get a resonator delete pipe!

 

i agree you’ll be visiting the petrol station a lot more!clutch is lighter too

As said above, you'll notice how much quieter the TSI engine is. Our TDI engines are a bit rough sounding.

 

The horsepower and fuel consumption increase are the main changes engine wise. Torque figures are much the same with being turbocharged.

 

If you're doing a lot of motorway miles, it shouldn't be too big of a fuel jump, but it's the city driving you'd certainly notice the DSG box helping to drink the petrol. Just be a case of working out what miles you're doing at the moment and seeing if you could live with the fuel cost.

Thanks for the replies so far. In terms of mileage, I do a 25 mile round trip commute to work and back, all of which are either open A roads or motorway.

 

I do very little city or town driving, and hoping the TSI satisfies the inner petrolhead in me compared to driving diesels.

Edited 10 November, 20187 yr by TwinExit

I made the swap from Tdi manual (Leon 48mpg) to Tsi dsg Vrs and bar the obvious increase in fuel stops I don't regret it. I do a 38 mile B road round trip 6 days in 10, average 37mpg

 

Was never a dsg person and wanted a manual but couldn't find one. Drove dsg and thought I could live with it. The more I drive it the more I enjoy it.

 

 

To be honest, having always had manual boxes, I’m more than ready to change to DSG!

Oddly enough I find myself driving at a more relaxed pace with dsg, but when the mood takes you paddles or manual mode is always there

On 11/11/2018 at 06:12, tunedude said:

......... but it's the city driving you'd certainly notice the DSG box helping to drink the petrol......

All the reports I've read indicate the DSG has less consumption than manual.
Why do you suggest the DSG in town is a worse option?
Even with the stop-start, the DSG is vastly better performing than a manual.....

1 hour ago, spinifex said:

All the reports I've read indicate the DSG has less consumption than manual.
Why do you suggest the DSG in town is a worse option?
Even with the stop-start, the DSG is vastly better performing than a manual.....

 

Two reasons.......

 

The first being the increased weight with the dsg gearbox. I know 40kg more doesn't sound a lot, but the more mass the more energy needed to move the increased mass. So if you're constantly stopping or going slowly in traffic queues, there is going to be an increased use of fuel.

 

Second reason (and I'm sorry, but this is going to sound like a rant at dsg boxes, but it's more my opinion / findings), unless you're changing the gears manually, I found the dsg was quite often in the wrong gear as it doesn't know the environment it's in. I found it was very daft when I test drove a dsg box when I was looking to buy my next car. You might just want to be happily trudging along in a queue in 2nd, but it will see a decreased (or decreasing) revs as a sign you're slowing down, potentially coming to a stop and the minute you apply a bit more pressure on the accelerator, it would put it into 1st and you get a lurch backward. It did this a few times on both my test drives. It would have been happy to have accelerated away in 2nd, but it decided to go into 1st, accelerate that bit quicker, but then goes back into 2nd?!?!?

 

Yes, on a road with traffic lights or roundabouts, it easily went up and down the box comfortably, as it did when you showed it a country road (which I'll admit, was fun with the paddles) . Going into a busy urban environment, all I found myself doing was either riding the brake or getting annoyed when it was unexpectedly changed gears.

 

I understand autos have come along way but there are still times a manual triumphs over an auto of any description. 

16 minutes ago, tunedude said:

 

Two reasons.......

 

The extra weight comment is fair enough - but realistically, we're talking about 3% of the total weight of the car.
You Brits astound the rest of us, with your obsession with fuel economy, over all else.
If you are so concerned about the extra 40kg of weight of the DSG, go on a diet or carry less passengers (or have 1 less child
It's pretty simple
And before anyone races to tell me that fuel is horribly expensive, blah blah... it's horribly expensive everywhere.
You have MUCH better fuel quality than we get here in Australia... the best we can get is 98Octane (which by all accounts, is nowhere near the 98 fuel offered elsewhere in the world) and we're currently paying about 1.70 AUD per Litre here.

To put that into your terms... that's about 1.10 euro/L... I don't know if that's good or bad, but it's pretty horrendous over here.

Your extra comment about the driving style of the DSG box - you also need to understand the DSG is NOT an automatic gearbox, in the traditional sense.
You can easily flick the lever over into Manual mode, and keep the box in the gear that you want, in the situation you've described.
This sounds (with the greatest respect to you) like user-error, not a failing of the type of gearbox.

You all need to learn how to drive the car the way it's meant to be driven... and get rid of that 40year old idea that it's a slushbox automatic with no manual/driver controls at all.
It's simply wrong.

3 hours ago, spinifex said:

The extra weight comment is fair enough - but realistically, we're talking about 3% of the total weight of the car.
You Brits astound the rest of us, with your obsession with fuel economy, over all else.
If you are so concerned about the extra 40kg of weight of the DSG, go on a diet or carry less passengers (or have 1 less child
It's pretty simple
And before anyone races to tell me that fuel is horribly expensive, blah blah... it's horribly expensive everywhere.
You have MUCH better fuel quality than we get here in Australia... the best we can get is 98Octane (which by all accounts, is nowhere near the 98 fuel offered elsewhere in the world) and we're currently paying about 1.70 AUD per Litre here.

To put that into your terms... that's about 1.10 euro/L... I don't know if that's good or bad, but it's pretty horrendous over here.

Your extra comment about the driving style of the DSG box - you also need to understand the DSG is NOT an automatic gearbox, in the traditional sense.
You can easily flick the lever over into Manual mode, and keep the box in the gear that you want, in the situation you've described.
This sounds (with the greatest respect to you) like user-error, not a failing of the type of gearbox.

You all need to learn how to drive the car the way it's meant to be driven... and get rid of that 40year old idea that it's a slushbox automatic with no manual/driver controls at all.
It's simply wrong.

You make some good comments and I agree, we're not all economy obsessed, I'm just interested to know what my car will do that's all. I didn't buy a petrol vRS dsg to save money on fuel. Briskoda seems obsessed with how much you didn't spend, best power, options and fuel eccon one has over others with vRS spec octavias lol doesn't bother me I enjoy it.

Agree manual changes to overcome previous posters dsg user error.

Just to correct you have cheap fuel per litre whatever quality it is. UK fuel is around £1.40 per litre, that's around $2.50 aus per litre

I didn't buy a petrol 4x4 for the fuel economy  but its quite nice that it can nudge 40 on a run, makes it liveable, not so painful.

 

Having driven manuals for decades (along with the odd slushbox)  I love the DSG. I doubt you would really 'get' the DSG in a few test drives. The thing many don't get is how it reacts to your use of the throttle, both displacement and speed of pressing. You have to be very mindful how you use the throttle to get the best out of a DSG. It is how it detects your 'driving style'. Some people are quite 'digital' with the throttle and the DSG reacts accordingly.

 

Although I have not had a problem with it on diesels I do see how well it works with the petrol. You can always push the stick across to manual, but the thing I think really makes this box are paddles.

 

The ability to just flick a paddle to temporarily override the gear for 20-30 seconds until it catches up (while staying in auto) is priceless for the times the DSG just cannot know what is coming. This is the thing I use most and it just works.

On ‎10‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 17:49, TwinExit said:

Well the Mk3 Octavia vRS TDI is hitting some high miles nowadays and I’m looking at going from the TDI to the TSI. I’m also looking at getting the TSI in DSG as opposed to the manual box my current Mk3 has.

 

Is there anything I should be aware of beforehand? I’m aware there is quite a jump in BHP and a nicer sound of the TSI, but apart from that and the headlights on the Mk3 facelift, is there any other change?

 

Thanks.

 

If you like the periodic "fun" of adding adblu, you might miss that 

 

 

The DQ250 6 speed wet clutch DSG was been continually developed since 2003 and was smooth and reliable.

 

But due to WLTP emissions regulations it looks to have been retired.

 

All new Octavia's will now have either the 7 speed dry clutch or 7 speed wet clutch depending on torque output.

 

The 7 speed DSG's are more economical than the 6 speed manual

 

Lee

7 hours ago, tunedude said:

I found the dsg was quite often in the wrong gear as it doesn't know the environment it's in

 

This is very true, and its annoying when the DSG is suppose to be a "smart" gearbox learning how the driver uses it.

 

Example, we have a TSI Scout and I have a long normal steep hill to where we live which has a 60 kmh (37 mph) speed limit, in Auto it refuses to change from 3 to 4 - but when I flip the gear lever to manual the MFD gear indicator is telling me to change from 3 to 4. Unbelievable annoying!

4 minutes ago, logiclee said:

The DQ250 6 speed wet clutch DSG was been continually developed since 2003 and was smooth and reliable.

 

But due to WLTP emissions regulations it looks to have been retired.

 

All new Octavia's will now have either the 7 speed dry clutch or 7 speed wet clutch depending on torque output.

 

The 7 speed DSG's are more economical than the 6 speed manual

 

Lee

Ding @logiclee you win the award

My recently arrived MY19 vRS 245 DSG has the 7 speeder. It's one whole road tax bracket less than the 6 speed manual now  Says it all and also says how little some know with their comments regarding DSG being less fuel efficient.

1 minute ago, Scotty72 said:

Ding @logiclee you win the award

My recently arrived MY19 vRS 245 DSG has the 7 speeder. It's one whole road tax bracket less than the 6 speed manual now  Says it all and also says how little some know with their comments regarding DSG being less fuel efficient.

 

To be honest I've ran cars with.

 

DQ200 7 Speed Dry Clutch

DQ250 6 speed Wet Clutch

DQ380 7 speed Wet Clutch

DQ500 7 Speed Wet Clutch

DL501 7 Speed Wet Clutch (Longitudinal) 

 

Apart from the DQ200's of which I've owned five they have all been reliable and all economical. The worse on paper for economy is the DQ250 but I ran a Passat manual and DSG back to back with the same engine and there was do real difference to speak of.

 

But after all that, no DSG I've owned is as good as the ZF8HP Conventional Auto.

 

1 hour ago, logiclee said:

 

To be honest I've ran cars with.

 

DQ200 7 Speed Dry Clutch

DQ250 6 speed Wet Clutch

DQ380 7 speed Wet Clutch

DQ500 7 Speed Wet Clutch

DL501 7 Speed Wet Clutch (Longitudinal) 

 

Apart from the DQ200's of which I've owned five they have all been reliable and all economical. The worse on paper for economy is the DQ250 but I ran a Passat manual and DSG back to back with the same engine and there was do real difference to speak of.

 

But after all that, no DSG I've owned is as good as the ZF8HP Conventional Auto.

 

You are the man in the know with DSG then.. that is good to know

Mine has a DQ380 then do you know? DQ381 is the 4wd version right? (edited)

Edited 12 November, 20187 yr by Scotty72

2 hours ago, Scotty72 said:

You are the man in the know with DSG then.. that is good to know

Mine has a DQ380 then do you know? DQ381 is the 4wd version right? (edited)

 

The DQ250 and DQ500 have 2wd and 4wd versions.

 

For the DQ380/381 it appears there are a few more differences for the 4wd version and a slightly higher torque rating so they gave them different designations.

 

 

Here's a quick question (and google didn't answer me)....................is there any way (through VCDS or an equivalent piece of software) you can get it so the automatic override (so if you don't touch the paddles in so long) it will always staying manual. I would assume if you touched the override time and changed it from 1 minute to 101 minutes, that would do the trick I'm thinking of.

 

I know it's a different gearbox altogether, but on the BMW's sport automatic 'boxes, you can choose a fully manual mode (either change with the paddles or the shifter)

Have a vRS 245 DSG get around 37 mpg in town. Sure it's more than my previous diesel, but the RS have 130 BHP more, so I think it's fair.

The DSG can be quirky in town, since as you say it doesn't know the surroundings, but in those cases I switch it to manual. Most of the times on my route I can do auto though.

Changing gears is mostly down to how you treat the throttle, the first weeks I got a lot of downshifts, not today. I have learnt how the throttle response is, so it shifts when I want it to.

Personally I can't think of having a diesel or a manual gearbox atm,
The DSG is smooth and very enjoyable to drive.
Diesel goes away cause of how politicians treats it, Don't even know if I can drive down town soon in a diesel, regardless if it's a Euro6 or not.

 

37mpg around town? Seems high.

10 minutes ago, ahenners said:

37mpg around town? Seems high.

we count different in Sweden maybe I did the conversion wrong avg 7,6-7,7 l/100km for this trip is what my screen tells me every time.

Did 5,2 with the diesel

 

edit

added for this trip

Edited 12 November, 20187 yr by GenOtmin

1 hour ago, tunedude said:

Here's a quick question (and google didn't answer me)....................is there any way (through VCDS or an equivalent piece of software) you can get it so the automatic override (so if you don't touch the paddles in so long) it will always staying manual. I would assume if you touched the override time and changed it from 1 minute to 101 minutes, that would do the trick I'm thinking of.

 

I know it's a different gearbox altogether, but on the BMW's sport automatic 'boxes, you can choose a fully manual mode (either change with the paddles or the shifter)

 

A DSG remap from Revo or similar will do just this.