Sorry, as I'm sure this will have been asked a million times before. Just got a mk3 SEL estate and looked at the long term fuel economy on the computer and its listed as 40mpg with 23.5 as a short term. Now this isn't a VRS or a petrol, this is the 1.6 110 DSG which should get (VAG lies aside) 70ish. The stats for the last days of its life prior to coming to me was 813 miles at 40mpg and an average speed of 17 and (I think) driven for 51 hours. Anyway, that was pretty poor I thought so I've gone through all the settings and reset everything I could find to zero and I'll see what I get.

 

But what do other 1.6 110 owners get? I know I won't get 70, but I've just sold an LPG converted car that was giving me the equivilant of 38mph because I wanted something more economical!! Spending £12k (on a low mileage 65 plate) to acheive 2 extra mpg seems like a bad financial decision to me It's a nicer car to drive though...

 

thanks!

 

Nick

My long term over 12k miles is 52mpg and that's mostly 3 blokes on a 60 mile commute.

 

On a run through Notts/Lincs.

What kind of journeys do you mostly do, how far each time etc.? Spending significant sums of money to purely and solely to save money on fuel very rarely makes sense. Hopefully this wasn't your only driver for changing?

The 4x4 I replaced it with was showing its age. 2005. It was really uncomfy to drive for any length of time, altthough technically nothing wrong with it (being a Kia) and was returning 220 miles for £25 of LPG. So I wanted a motorway cruiser anyway and briefley had a 1.6 Superb mk2 which I sent back (long story, mis-sold) but that was doing 45mpg!!

Are your on-board computers telling the truth? Mine (Scout 150hp manual) reads about 5mpg higher than that calculated by me based on miles travelled and fuel used.

 

My actual average is about the very low 50's - most of it being longer journeys driven in a conservative manner.

Edited 29 December, 20187 yr by Sangrail

That seems right for mpg modes; the "available range" seems accurate, based on my commute being a fairy consistent usage pattern.

I have achieved nearly 70mpg indicated on long-ish motorway runs. Probably just over 55mpg day to day driving (work is a 22 mile round trip for example). 

 

On a 1700 mile trip through Europe earlier this year, including the mountains of Andorra. When arriving home, the car showed 59.5 mpg for the whole trip. 

 

Mine is the manual, not dsg. 

I have a 2017 manual hatch Octavia 1.6 TDI with 19000 miles on the clock.  Around the doors I normally get 50-55mpg.  On a run I can easily get 70 mpg.  A couple of times a year I travel down to South Wales from Northumberland to visit family.  Last time down there I managed 80 mpg.  I'm nearly 70 years of age and a grandad but don't drive like one though 

 

 

I have an estate with the 1.4 TSI and manual gearbox, and I'm getting 55mpg driving in the city. Sometimes I can even knock it up to 65-70 in the early morning.

I have the earlier 90BHP 1.6TDI with DSG.

On my standard 50 mile comute round commute

 to work via lanes and A roads looking mid 40s to 50 MPG

On way home using motorway amd dual carriage way approx anywhere between 50 to 60 dependning on traffic flow etc.

On the who not a massive gain over the 1.2 TSI fabia i was running...

On a recent run to Windsor from Kent got 65MPG 

Yes forget the utter bull**** mpg claim, it is absolutely and totally irrelevant with a diesel and no difference now under the mess of "half way house" wltp rating. It will be another year and a half before we see figures close to real world. Petrol, can get the figures and better, but also easily worse with any heavy right foot work. 

 

I currently have a loan Fabia 95 petrol as it looks like my VRS turbo has failed. ( be my first and last Skoda, stick with Ford and BMW from now) . Done 45 miles in the nearly new Fabia and its averaged 53 mpg and could have easily got better. Goes easily as well if not better than the 1.6 tdi, except without the horrible diesel noise. I had the same 1.6 tdi in a 63 plate Leon . It got about 50 -53 mpg standard (flat as a fart with a power band narrower than my 70's two stroke RD Yamahas!) But after a Bluefin tune it got about 56-58 mpg, no where near the crazy diesel mpg claims but was ok with the huge improvement in performance. Was quite a good drive with the Bluefin. 

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Where did Skoda publish MPG figures that were ever about Real World with a car out of a temperature controlled building with people and luggage in a car that was not on a rolling road?

Maybe if someone has a link to any about 'driving about in a car' mpg's someone can link where they see that from Skoda.

 

All you got was the discredited EU test results which were for 'comparison' and which Skoda had a 'Fuel consumption statement' covering that the results were not about 'real world driving'.

 

They never did, and even the WLTP figures are not going to showing a car with the seats occupied and running at or near revenue weight.

5 hours ago, hobbie2k said:

I have an estate with the 1.4 TSI and manual gearbox, and I'm getting 55mpg driving in the city. Sometimes I can even knock it up to 65-70 in the early morning.

 

The 1.4 TSI DSG can produce some absolutely stunning mpg and close to the manufacturers figures figure if you do a few things:-

 

1. You do not drive in the horrible congested roads ie SE England etc
2. Drive is the Eco setting which uses the coast function and you let the car benefit from the coasting down those long gentle inclines
3. Cruise around the 60 mph, which I often do when on the phone or early for an appointment.

 

Friend with a 1.6D DSG can get even 10 to 20 mpg better than my 50 to 70 mpg in these conditions.  Round town I take the little Chevy Spark and keep the Octy for the longer journeys.

 

Like most modern dpf equipped diesel the 1.6tdi is capable of either exceptional or average consumption.

The 'holy trinity' of a good car, good driver, good conditions and consumption figures quoted by others in this thread are obtainable

Conversely, any compromise on the trinity will get bad consumption and when all three are compromised then it just gets ugly.

 

I remember a post from about three years back where a diesel Octavia owner getting very good average consumption suddenly reported exceptionally poor consumption during a period when his wife drove it on her short shopping/school drop trips and was getting continuous and interrupted regens. Normal good consumption was resumed when he took the car over again.

If I were the OP I would get a cheap OBD dongle and DPF monitor app on phone to monitor the regen situation.

 

The other thing is to avoid trying to drive this car like a diesel, it just does not like plugging from low revs, hope the dsg will avoid that

13 hours ago, Gerrycan said:

Like most modern dpf equipped diesel the 1.6tdi is capable of either exceptional or average consumption.

The 'holy trinity' of a good car, good driver, good conditions and consumption figures quoted by others in this thread are obtainable

Conversely, any compromise on the trinity will get bad consumption and when all three are compromised then it just gets ugly.

 

I remember a post from about three years back where a diesel Octavia owner getting very good average consumption suddenly reported exceptionally poor consumption during a period when his wife drove it on her short shopping/school drop trips and was getting continuous and interrupted regens. Normal good consumption was resumed when he took the car over again.

If I were the OP I would get a cheap OBD dongle and DPF monitor app on phone to monitor the regen situation.

 

The other thing is to avoid trying to drive this car like a diesel, it just does not like plugging from low revs, hope the dsg will avoid that

You hit the nail bang on the head, DPF ! Since the fitting of these devices during mid/late 00's diesel fuel consumption dropped dramatically. Before it was easy to get claimed and it was the SAME test! My last pre DPF's were a Audi A4 B7 140 tdi, it was booked at 49 combined and ALWAYS  got at least this figure, averaged overall about 51 mpg. My pugget 207 1.6 tdi  95 Van was booked at 65 and always got between 61 - 65 with a pile of gear in the back. The DPF replacement of it got about 51, as it does today !!! 

 

You have to remember that regens are not part of the test. The regen throws your expensive diesel (especially so now) into the exhaust totally out of your control, it costs you about 10 mpg overall. Then theres the efficiency loss as the stupid filter blocks up.  CO2 is massively higher than claimed in the real world making a farce of it. Hence ALL DPF Diesels average about 20% + less than claimed  combined figure. And it is nearly impossible to achieve claimed figure apart from some pathetic crawl along where you luckily avoid a regen. And don't forget, combined is meant to be the average! My A4 could easily hit 60 mpg on a long run! I have driven dozens of DPF diesels normally, from little 3 cylinder orrible things to Q7 V6 tdi, not a trick crawl or cruise missing a regen. Every single one has been about 20% down on claimed average economy.

 

Also all manufacturers where selling and misleading you deliberately. I sat through numerous new car sales prospects with the salesman asking my current car and comparing to the new one, listing the savings in fuel in £ p taking it away from the running costs. e.g. My A4 B7 tdi, 49 mpg, my replacement A6 177 tdi 59 mpg, he calculated the saving over 12000 miles and took it from the overall cost! corrupt as hell, before diesel gate!  Actual economy in use was 51 for the A4 and 46 for the A6, frauds. 

 

Be interesting to see how the petrol version effects the economy. A bit of confusing information regarding regens, some claim they don't do them? If so they will be far better than the diesel  version although efficiency has to take a hit and actual co2 will be higher. 

Edited 1 January, 20197 yr by teescom09

I should have bought the 1.4 and converted it to LPG. I don't know why Skoda don't sell pre-converted cars in the UK, they do in lots of the EU.

1 hour ago, NikTheGeek said:

I should have bought the 1.4 and converted it to LPG. I don't know why Skoda don't sell pre-converted cars in the UK, they do in lots of the EU.

 

One question do you ever drive across into the EU?

 

If you do, then beware the LPG conversion, as it can prevent you from using the Chunnel, if you don't or don't foresee yourself doing it then go for it if you think that it would make economic sense.

On 31/12/2018 at 11:31, hobbie2k said:

I have an estate with the 1.4 TSI and manual gearbox, and I'm getting 55mpg driving in the city. Sometimes I can even knock it up to 65-70 in the early morning.

 

Best I can seem to get with mine is about 45 to 47 mpg and that is being really frugal with the right pedal! DSG though so perhaps that is why.

On 31/12/2018 at 11:31, hobbie2k said:

I have an estate with the 1.4 TSI and manual gearbox, and I'm getting 55mpg driving in the city. Sometimes I can even knock it up to 65-70 in the early morning.

Must be the thinner, drier and warmer air there Hobbie and lack of warm up time cos doesn't seem to matter if I drive 3 miles or 300, always end up with 45mpg plus or minus a few! Happy wth that like and no doubt doing 60 on the motorway would get mid 50s but time not fuel economy is usually the enemy! Hasten to add I don't do crazy speeds at all but like to get up to speed believing this is actually good for the motor, once warmed up, and more fun!

Edited 2 January, 20197 yr by Hettonist
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11 hours ago, Hettonist said:

Must be the thinner, drier and warmer air there Hobbie and lack of warm up time cos doesn't seem to matter if I drive 3 miles or 300, always end up with 45mpg plus or minus a few! Happy wth that like and no doubt doing 60 on the motorway would get mid 50s but time not fuel economy is usually the enemy! Hasten to add I don't do crazy speeds at all but like to get up to speed believing this is actually good for the motor, once warmed up, and more fun!

There is no doubt that warmer weather gives better returns until you reach the point where you have to run the air-con. Not so much effect on a run but it has a marked effect in urban areas and especially when loaded with passengers (elderly in-laws).

41 deg. C forecast for this afternoon so I am not expecting good consumption figures :( 

Australian speed limits are very strictly policed and our fines and punitive points are heavy so speeding is not advisable if you want to retain your license, which may be essential for general mobility or your job.

If I were doing longer runs and our speed limits were higher than 100/110 kph then I would strongly consider a diesel but at themoment the 1.4tsi is by far the best option for me.

So 20km in urban traffic, six stops in various mall carparks and 41deg C temps returned 35 boringly real life mpg. Pretty good in those circumstances.

A recent urban run of similar distance with only one shopping stop and much cooler weather and I got 57mpg.

The only dpf equipped diesel I have driven was a Kia Ceed 1.6d manual hired in the Uk just over a year ago.

Covered 2k miles in a month and got 60 or 70mpg from most refills. Pretty ideal conditions for the disel and a regen every 300 miles or so.

The engine had no low down torque and I got far better returns ignoring the recommended gear ratio on the display and running a gear lower with higher revs at smaller throttle openings. Better performance too.

Edited 3 January, 20197 yr by Gerrycan

On 29/12/2018 at 21:35, NikTheGeek said:

Sorry, as I'm sure this will have been asked a million times before. Just got a mk3 SEL estate and looked at the long term fuel economy on the computer and its listed as 40mpg with 23.5 as a short term. Now this isn't a VRS or a petrol, this is the 1.6 110 DSG which should get (VAG lies aside) 70ish. The stats for the last days of its life prior to coming to me was 813 miles at 40mpg and an average speed of 17 and (I think) driven for 51 hours. Anyway, that was pretty poor I thought so I've gone through all the settings and reset everything I could find to zero and I'll see what I get.

 

But what do other 1.6 110 owners get? I know I won't get 70, but I've just sold an LPG converted car that was giving me the equivilant of 38mph because I wanted something more economical!! Spending £12k (on a low mileage 65 plate) to acheive 2 extra mpg seems like a bad financial decision to me It's a nicer car to drive though...

 

thanks!

 

Nick

Skoda like all manufacturers have to legally publish wltp figures from the 1st January, CO2 is still NEDC nonsense until next year. You car is officially 49.6 - 54.3 mpg. I don't think they have factored in regens into wltp, its unclear. You should be able to sue them for false representation at sale if they promised you you would save money compared to your old car like Audi did with me twice! 

Edited 4 January, 20197 yr by teescom09

What MPG are petrol VRS drivers getting? I have a DSG 220 and I am just wondering what MPG people shouuld be getting.  I know it depends on what type of journey you are doing but thought I would ask. 

 

Secondly is there much much difference between the MPG for the 230 version and the 245 version.  I start a new job soon which will result in a daily 100 mile round trip, just trying to work out what the VRS should do.  Curently I get anything between 270 ( short journeys) and 380 miles to the tank ( long journeys). I will be changing mine in the next 9 months.  Thanks for any advice. 

6 hours ago, stubev156 said:

What MPG are petrol VRS drivers getting? I have a DSG 220 and I am just wondering what MPG people shouuld be getting.  I know it depends on what type of journey you are doing but thought I would ask. 

 

Secondly is there much much difference between the MPG for the 230 version and the 245 version.  I start a new job soon which will result in a daily 100 mile round trip, just trying to work out what the VRS should do.  Curently I get anything between 270 ( short journeys) and 380 miles to the tank ( long journeys). I will be changing mine in the next 9 months.  Thanks for any advice. 

 

My 220 DSG is pretty much:

 

Long term - 38mpg

Short trips - low 30s

Long trips - high 40s

23 mile commute - 40/44mpg (winter Vs summer)

 

I doubt there will be much difference with the newer 230 and 245 models. 245 has DSG7 which should return slightly better economy than DSG6, especially at higher speeds like motorway cruising.

 

Until the recent turbo failure which has hit the mpg drastically, my 230 PFL Estate overall average was 36.3 long term OBC. But you can easily get 40+ on a summers day longer journey still keeping pace with 99% of everyone else out there. Never got less than around 33 on any run. My boot is fully loaded too. 

Edited 6 January, 20197 yr by teescom09