3 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

LeClerc seems to be getting away with this type of aggressive driving as no evidence yet of the FIA punishing the new golden boy. 

Over many. many years the stewards have always had "a blind spot" when it comes to the driving style of Ferrari drivers 

3 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

Over many. many years the stewards have always had "a blind spot" when it comes to Ferrari 

 

FTFY

10 hours ago, Gmac983 said:

I would say it's not often that championship winning drivers/riders are not in the top 1st or 2nd placing manufacturer teams, in other words your not winning in a crap car/bike. 

In the history of f1 I think it's only something like 10 or a dozen occasions that the championship winning driver hasn't been in the championship winning team over a season. And of that 10 or so occasions I think almost all were 2nd place. 

 

My initial thought on reading this was to check 1982.

 

What do you know?

 

The drivers champ drove for only the 4th best team...

 

 

8 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Similar to Rosberg on Hamilton at Austria when he was more concerned with pushing Lewis wide rather than turning the steering wheel to the right and looking for the apex. This happens when you get 2 competitive drivers who bully others until something gives. Lewis not impressed by losing his wing mirror due to the broken end plate flying off the Ferrari and damaging the Merc. Stewards said they would investigate after the race. LeClerc seems to be getting away with this type of aggressive driving as no evidence yet of the FIA punishing the new golden boy. Great result for Albon with 4th being his best finish in his rookie year.

 

LeClerc only adopted this style of driving after Max ran him off the road to "steal" the win in Austria.

 

I think RBR will be most impressed by Albon equalling Max' qually time on his first ever visit to Suzuka.

30 minutes ago, camelspyyder said:

 

My initial thought on reading this was to check 1982.

 

What do you know?

 

The drivers champ drove for only the 4th best team...

 

 

 

You'll note I did say almost all and not every. I knew there was at least one (maybe an odd one more further back in time) in there that didn't fall within my example, was just to lazy to trawl through all the stats to find it.

Also 82 was a tough year in which Gilles Villeneuve and Ricardo Paletti were killed plus Didier Pironi had a career ending accident all of which put a very different complexion on that years championship (and there was a drivers strike as well) 

Suffice to say, it's only been achieved a very small amount of times since 1950. 

Edited 13 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983
Misread camelspyyyder's post. Thought he had said 84 not 82.

Just now, Gmac983 said:

 

You'll note I did say almost all and not every. I knew there was at least one (maybe an odd one further back in time) in there than didn't fall within my example, was just to lazy to trawl through all the stats to find it. 

Also it was the exceptional Nikki Lauda who achieved it. 

Suffice to say, it's only been achieved a very small amount of times since 1950. 

 

No trawling required. I knew the answer already.

 

I'd be most surprised if Lauda won in a crummy car, since he only won titles in dominant Ferrari or Mclaren years.

 

 

Ok I checked that.

 

Indeed Lauda won drivers titles 3 times drivng for the constructors champions every time.

 

Piquet on the other hand probably won his Brabham titles with utter no hopers in the other car...

 

e.g. 1983 - Champion in the 3rd placed team.

 

 

 

Edited 13 October, 20196 yr by camelspyyder

Misread your earlier post, thought you had said 84, apologies my bad...

I would say my point still stands though, as I said it's not been done often. 

Aye I'm not quite that good that I have the stats of the top of my head, I would have close approximations but not exact.

Not many winners in duff equipment though, just look at WRC and Seb Loeb's dominance, when really only his first couple or so of his championship wins are notable, the rest were against a very poor field of competition. 

Much more like it was Tommi Makinen, his 4 on the bounce were exceptional when the championship was massively competive, although he was arguably in the best car of the time. 

Edited 13 October, 20196 yr by Gmac983

5 hours ago, PetrolDave said:

Over many. many years the stewards have always had "a blind spot" when it comes to the driving style of Ferrari drivers 

 

Why do you think it is named 'Ferrari International Assistence'?

Edited 13 October, 20196 yr by Fabia-format

20 minutes ago, Fabia-format said:

 

Why do you think it is named 'Ferrari International Assistence'?

 

 

If you weren't from Holland that wouldn't seem quite so much like sour grapes today.

 

However, they are the same FIA stewards organisation who have often declined to punish Mad Max on numerous occasions in the last 5 seasons too - most recently when he ran a Ferrari off the road to win at Zeltweg.

 

 

 

23 hours ago, moley said:

I see Leclerc gave Verstappen a bit of payback for Austria.

Max, I have a Mister Kettle for you on line 3; something about visual spectrum reflectance. 😉 

Curious to know why the Ferrari's escaped any punishment from the stewards. Vettel clearly moved before the lights went out (I know he stopped before he moved again) then LeClerc gave Max no room when Max was ahead and gave LeClerc plenty of room on the inside. Then LeClerc's endplate flies off and just misses Hamilton's head and takes off the right hand wing mirror. How was this not dangerous (they obviously forgot what happens when bits fly off a Formula 1 car when Massa had a suspension part went through his visor just above his eye)? There are safety rules in F1 yet they don't seem to apply to the RED cars.

1 minute ago, shyVRS245 said:

Curious to know why the Ferrari's escaped any punishment from the stewards. Vettel clearly moved before the lights went out (I know he stopped before he moved again) then LeClerc gave Max no room when Max was ahead and gave LeClerc plenty of room on the inside. Then LeClerc's endplate flies off and just misses Hamilton's head and takes off the right hand wing mirror. How was this not dangerous (they obviously forgot what happens when bits fly off a Formula 1 car when Massa had a suspension part went through his visor just above his eye)? There are safety rules in F1 yet they don't seem to apply to the RED cars.

There should have been a punishment for LeClerc's end plate (dangerous), Max incident - they seem to be letting the drivers battle a bit harder this season & I'm OK with that. As for Vettel - I think that was sensible as he didn't gain any advantage - in fact it compromised his start so I'm OK with that one.

Forgot to add Lewis beating one of the older lap records on the calendar with a new mark at Suzuka beating Kimi's previous record from 2005.

1 hour ago, shyVRS245 said:

There are safety rules in F1 yet they don't seem to apply to the RED cars.

Are you suggesting that these cars are more likely to lose aero parts in an impact than other marques are?

3 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Curious to know why the Ferrari's escaped any punishment from the stewards. Vettel clearly moved before the lights went out (I know he stopped before he moved again) then LeClerc gave Max no room when Max was ahead and gave LeClerc plenty of room on the inside. Then LeClerc's endplate flies off and just misses Hamilton's head and takes off the right hand wing mirror. How was this not dangerous (they obviously forgot what happens when bits fly off a Formula 1 car when Massa had a suspension part went through his visor just above his eye)? There are safety rules in F1 yet they don't seem to apply to the RED cars.

Apart from the 5 second penalty he got awarded for hitting the RedBull, and the 10 second penalty for continuing to race the damaged car? How many penalties do you want LeClerc to have for one error? Vettels jump start was apparently covered by the same rules as one Bottas got away with in 2017- I remember Vettel complaining about that one a lot!

5 minutes ago, camelspyyder said:

Apart from the 5 second penalty he got awarded for hitting the RedBull, and the 10 second penalty for continuing to race the damaged car? How many penalties do you want LeClerc to have for one error? Vettels jump start was apparently covered by the same rules as one Bottas got away with in 2017- I remember Vettel complaining about that one a lot!

When were these 15 seconds taken? During the race or after the race had been completed. Thought he had finished in 6th place. Has this changed post race?

To answer my own question just read the post race penalties handed out to LeClerc and I think they are fair albeit a bit late costing him only 1 or 2 points.

1 minute ago, shyVRS245 said:

To answer my own question just read the post race penalties handed out to LeClerc and I think they are fair albeit a bit late costing him only 1 or 2 points.

Yes. They would have been better served in race, which may possibly have caught him more traffic and made the effective penalty greater.

Looks like Miami will make it onto the F1 calendar in the 2021 season.

Dolphins aren't already fed up enough with other NFL teams running rings round them, now they want to invite F1 drivers to drive rings round them as well

30 minutes ago, Wet Kipper said:

Dolphins aren't already fed up enough with other NFL teams running rings round them, now they want to invite F1 drivers to drive rings round them as well

Americans do like doughnuts however.

21 hours ago, shyVRS245 said:

Looks like Miami will make it onto the F1 calendar in the 2021 season.

Not sure. There is a heck of a lot of local NIMBY opposition, they've had to move the circuit at least once already. Miami seems resistant to change. Beckham's MLS franchise suffered from a similar degree of hostility and delays. It's funny how a few cities in the US embrace street races, e g. Long Beach, Detroit, but others never get started because of the residents, most recently the NewYork/New Jersey F1 event.

Edited 18 October, 20196 yr by camelspyyder

Just now, camelspyyder said:

Not sure. There is a heck of a lot of local NIMBY opposition, they've had to move the circuit at least once already.

American Media Group pull the strings in F1 now not Bernie. What they want is what they will get. More races stateside.

2 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

American Media Group pull the strings in F1 now not Bernie. What they want is what they will get. More races stateside.

Unfortunately Liberty don't actually own Miami. They'll end up taking F1 to crappy parking lots and industrial estates just like Formula E.