8 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

 

So Rea and Marquez winning titles every single year isn't as predictable as Mercedes doing it?

 

But the difference it is not down to the machinery.  It is the rider/driver our performing their vehicles compared to others.

 

F1 cars generally finish two by two, or close to it barring external factors, whereas Maquez and Rea' s machinery is not miles ahead of the competition.

 

Both Marquez's Honda and Rea's Kawasaki finish mid pack in others hands.

 

Last F1 driver who made more of his vehicle by his incredible skill was probably a young Michael Schumacher back in the Benetton days.  

Current drivers I can only think of Verstappen who substantially outperforms his machinery.

 

 

3 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

But the difference it is not down to the machinery.  It is the rider/driver our performing their vehicles compared to others.

 

F1 cars generally finish two by two, or close to it barring external factors, whereas Maquez and Rea' s machinery is not miles ahead of the competition.

 

Both Marquez's Honda and Rea's Kawasaki finish mid pack in others hands.

 

Last F1 driver who made more of his vehicle by his incredible skill was probably a young Michael Schumacher back in the Benetton days.  

Current drivers I can only think of Verstappen who substantially outperforms his machinery.

 

 

Max finished 4th starting from 9th on the grid, his team mate Albon starting from the pitlane finished 5th.

17 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Max finished 4th starting from 9th on the grid, his team mate Albon starting from the pitlane finished 5th.

 

Great drive by Albon - OK so he got the car to where it should be by it's performance, however he did need to take the chances and pass on track - he should have had driver of the day - no idea why Vettel got it - he had a good drive (until the Engine gave out) but I'd say Albon deserved it more.

12 hours ago, lol-lol said:

 

But the difference it is not down to the machinery.  It is the rider/driver our performing their vehicles compared to others.

 

F1 cars generally finish two by two, or close to it barring external factors, whereas Maquez and Rea' s machinery is not miles ahead of the competition.

 

Both Marquez's Honda and Rea's Kawasaki finish mid pack in others hands.

 

Last F1 driver who made more of his vehicle by his incredible skill was probably a young Michael Schumacher back in the Benetton  days.  

Current drivers I can only think of Verstappen who substantially outperforms his machinery.

 

 

Senna must be a better example than Schuey, taking 5 wins in the McLaren - Ford with a very old customer V8, unlike the latest spec ones in Schumacher's Benetton that won only once that year. By rights nothing without a V10 or V12 should really have had a chance in 93.

 

I don't believe the Honda GP bike or SBK Kawasaki are slow bikes being outperformed by the rider. Those bikes development have been specifically aimed at the star riders needs and everyone else can lump it. Just like Brundle, Patrese, Lehto, Verstappen, Herbert, Irvine and Barrichello who had to do whatever they could manage with a car and tyres completely built for Michael.

Edited 30 September, 20196 yr by camelspyyder

20 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

I see Marquez and Rea winning on machinery specifically developed  to their personal tastes, much like Schumacher did. So what if other Honda, Kwacker, or Ferrari pilots cant manage the same performances? Each company is perfectly happy to have just 1 invincible rider. ...

Actually I think most if not all successful riders/drivers have a package that suits their riding/driving. What separates them from the mere mortals is the ability to exploit these packages fully and often dominate the other half of the garage.

20 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

 

As for Kawasaki being pegged back, what about Mercedes? All of the major F1 rule changes since 2014 have been expressly designed to peg back the top team & give the others more of a chance.

I think my point on the power deficit to Ducati,  is similar to the upturn in Ferrari performance, Lewis and Bottas are coping in the same manner that Rea has done, taking advantage of errors, tactics etc to reduce the effect of the rule changes/restrictions. BTW I am not trying to suggest F1 is any less of a spectacle than 2 wheels, I enjoy all forms of motor racing on 4 or 2 wheels. 

 

11 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

Senna must be a better example than Schuey, taking 5 wins in the McLaren - Ford with a very old customer V8, unlike the latest spec ones in Schumacher's Benetton that won only once that year. By rights nothing without a V10 or V12 should really have had a chance in 93.

 

I don't believe the Honda GP bike or SBK Kawasaki are slow bikes being outperformed by the rider. Those bikes development have been specifically aimed at the star riders needs and everyone else can lump it. Just like Brundle, Patrese, Lehto, Verstappen, Herbert, Irvine and Barrichello who had to do whatever they could manage with a car and tyres completely built for Michael.

 

Senna was left handed so that is also a useful superiority !!!!  

Verstappens, pere et fils, have both been pretty negative about RBRs 2020 title prospects this week. Are they really making a play for Vettels Ferrari seat? How would a Max/Charles lineup be any less volatile than what the Scuderia had now? Will Max and Seb swap cars this winter?

22 hours ago, camelspyyder said:

Verstappens, pere et fils, have both been pretty negative about RBRs 2020 title prospects this week. Are they really making a play for Vettels Ferrari seat? How would a Max/Charles lineup be any less volatile than what the Scuderia had now? Will Max and Seb swap cars this winter?

Interesting...

At the next round of the drivers 'merry-go -round' I would like to see Hamilton in a Ferrari, Vestappen in a Mercedes and Vettel in a Williams.

5 minutes ago, moley said:

At the next round of the drivers 'merry-go -round' I would like to see Hamilton in a Ferrari, Vestappen in a Mercedes and Vettel in a Williams.

Wouldn't bother getting a quote from William Hill. More chance of winning the 190 million Euro draw on Tuesday night.

6 minutes ago, moley said:

At the next round of the drivers 'merry-go -round' I would like to see Hamilton in a Ferrari, Verstappen in a Mercedes AMG GT-R and Vettel in a Williams.

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2 minutes ago, KenONeill said:

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Max is too young to drive the safety car think what the insurance would be.

If HAM went to Ferrari and won, haters would still say "Oh but its the best car".

The only way to prove who's best is to pair them up in the same car.

 

Interestingly today I saw Villeneuve was quoted dissing HAM & VET career achievements because they always had the best car - and that's really nowhere near true. Mclaren was never the fastest car whilst HAM was there, and VET has never had the fastest car over a season since leaving RBR

 

Jacques has forgotten just quite how superior his '97 Williams was then? And he only beat Schumacher (driving a shed) by 3 points in it. And he never had a pole or win afterwards.

 

Bore off mate!

Another Autosport story trumpeting Honda's improved reliability today. Yup I see.  Gasly and Kvyat have had only 8 engines each and Max 6 so thats a great improvement is it? Honda must pay the Autosport journalist to write this tripe.

 

Even a quote from Dr Marko:

 

"We know in the past they had big reliability problems and they were worried, but so far we didn't have any engine problems at all this season."

 

Is he drunk? Using double or triple the allowed number of engines = so far we didn't have any engine problems at all this season

 

I think even Albon has used 5 so between them they have had 27 motors rather than the 12 allowed by the rules. 

 

This is just plain denial by RBR. Clearly they've made a choice not to publicly **** Honda off - like Alonso did "GP2 Engine...Embarrassing"  etc.

 

 

Edited 8 October, 20196 yr by camelspyyder

No F1 on saturday due to weather.

Qualifying postponed due to the arrival of one of the largest Typhoons ever to hit Japan on Saturday.

Mercedes appear to have a slight edge over Red bull and Ferrari in practice. What is going on at Renault, 17th and 18th in second practice. 

Most teams run old engines on Friday. Today, Renault kept their old "Friday running" engines in so they didn't have a lot of power, even though that FP2 session may well decide the grid if Sunday morning qually is washed out. They were also trialling new development aero parts.

 

Mercedes new upgrades seem to work though, and RedBull's new aero tweaks and brand new Exxon rocket fuel has got them ahead of Ferrari too.

Congrats to Mercedes Constructor Team Winners again. Bottas, Vettel and Hamilton top three. Lewis 64 points clear with the extra point for fastest lap and 4 races left. Mexico next. Mercedes will win the Drivers Title as well at some point.

51 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Congrats to Mercedes Constructor Team Winners again. Bottas, Vettel and Hamilton top three. Lewis 64 points clear with the extra point for fastest lap and 4 races left. Mexico next. Mercedes will win the Drivers Title as well at some point.

Yes, only Hamilton or Bottas can win the drivers title now, but Bottas will have to outscore Hamilton by  more than 16 points per race. 

I would say it's not often that championship winning drivers/riders are not in the top 1st or 2nd placing manufacturer teams, in other words your not winning in a crap car/bike. 

In the history of f1 I think it's only something like 10 or a dozen occasions that the championship winning driver hasn't been in the championship winning team over a season. And of that 10 or so occasions I think almost all were 2nd place. 

I see Leclerc gave Verstappen a bit of payback for Austria.

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Just now, moley said:

I see Leclerc gave Verstappen a bit of payback for Austria.

Similar to Rosberg on Hamilton at Austria when he was more concerned with pushing Lewis wide rather than turning the steering wheel to the right and looking for the apex. This happens when you get 2 competitive drivers who bully others until something gives. Lewis not impressed by losing his wing mirror due to the broken end plate flying off the Ferrari and damaging the Merc. Stewards said they would investigate after the race. LeClerc seems to be getting away with this type of aggressive driving as no evidence yet of the FIA punishing the new golden boy. Great result for Albon with 4th being his best finish in his rookie year.

12 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

 Great result for Albon with 4th being his best finish in his rookie year.

Remind me where his 'team mate' came. 

15 minutes ago, moley said:

Remind me where his 'team mate' came. 

The stewards office is probably where he ended.