On 28/05/2019 at 16:22, SashaGrace said:

@dophp did you have any issues with the rears? I am doing mine now and my calliper carrier is touching the disc with the bolts nowhere near done up!! Just wondering if you came across this issue. Also my 245 backplates don’t fit so there is something clearly amiss here!

 

Apologies for only just seeing this, the only issue I had was the brake hoses needed swapping which I eluded to in a previous post.

 

Having read more of your posts I'm glad you managed to get it sorted.

 

I've now done a few thousand miles and another trip to Nurburgring since the upgrades and I'm still impressed by the 340/310mm setup, considering I sold the original callipers the upgrade didn't cost much either.

Yep, it’s the 245 discs. Hopefully the car will be back together this afternoon. Glad you are happy with the setup, hopefully I find the same improvement.

On 30/05/2019 at 02:46, dophp said:

 

Apologies for only just seeing this, the only issue I had was the brake hoses needed swapping which I eluded to in a previous post.

 

Having read more of your posts I'm glad you managed to get it sorted.

 

I've now done a few thousand miles and another trip to Nurburgring since the upgrades and I'm still impressed by the 340/310mm setup, considering I sold the original callipers the upgrade didn't cost much either.

Did you have any problems with excessive heat build-up in your brakes? I have a 2014 vRS TDI which I took round the ring on three separate occasions two years ago and I had no issues with heat build up at all (272mm rears, 340mm fronts and OEM pads). I now have a 2017 vRS TSI. The same brake set-up as before but now, every time I go to the ring, the pads are baked afterwards. I have tried OEM pads, Yellow Stuff all round and now Yellow Stuff on the rear and Blue Stuff on the front and still they overheat. I realise I might be going a bit faster around the ring now but, equally, I have a better knowledge of the track and can take corners faster, hence less braking. Also the petrol car is lighter and it is a hatch. The TDI vRS was an estate. I can't understand why brakes are now an issue.

But then I noticed that on the 2014 car their is a cooling duct formed into the front under tray and an leading to an opening in the wheel arch lining, directly in line with the brake caliper (its can be seen in the photos shown earlier in this thread). This is duct and opening is not on the 2017 car. Could this solve the mystery? I would love to know if anyone has had any similar issues.

Edited 14 July, 20196 yr by Chimble

Not having the cooling duct will certainly be having an effect.

 

You can buy the add on cooling duct to aid the brakes staying prime. 

 

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/414150-magazine-featured-mk3-octavia-vrs-estate-390bhp/page/9/

 

Half way down, it shows it

Edited 14 July, 20196 yr by tunedude

18 minutes ago, tunedude said:

Not having the cooling duct will certainly be having an effect.

 

You can buy the add on cooling duct to aid the brakes staying prime. 

 

https://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/414150-magazine-featured-mk3-octavia-vrs-estate-390bhp/page/9/

 

Half way down, it shows it

Thanks for the information.  I have had a look at the add-on duct. It might help. It does seem odd that they stopped having the integral cooling duct on later cars. I don't know if the relevant parts of the under tray can be swapped so I have the original cooling duct on the TSI vRS as we still have the TDI vRS but that is not tracked any more. The one thing that impressed me the most when I first went to the ring was the brakes. Now they seem to be the week link in the chain.  It makes me very nervous driving the ring with a question mark over the brakes.

The undertray on the TDI's is somewhat more covering. Noise insulation apparently. So there's the opportunity for adding a ducty bit at the furthest point

Certainly worth a try. Thanks. 

On 04/02/2019 at 23:46, dophp said:

 

Yes you need to change the brakes hoses as well as they have a different fitting on the end and are a different length.

 

Below are the Numbers I used and had no trouble with (ie everything has bolted on and the car stops)

 

I found a Kit supplied by B and B components in Maidstone via their eBay page for all of the rear hoses, pipes and clips for £36 I went and collected of them because I was in a hurry and didn't want to wait for postage and they're nice and friendly group of guys there, and worth me recommending IMHO.

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-GOLF-MK5-MK6-AUDI-A3-TT-TOURAN-REAR-BRAKE-HOSES-PIPES-CLIPS-A1291/202170262960?hash=item2f124965b0:g:8MYAAOSwTO9aS2k2:rk:1:pf:0

I would be very interested to know where you sourced the above items as I am looking to upgrade the rear brakes on my  2017 TSI vRS. It is a facelift model so maybe they will not fit.

Grateful for any advice.

The FL setup is quite different. The callipers should fit but the discs have a narrower offset. I have a set of never used 245 brembo discs I can let go for cheap haha

If I can source the carriers, callipers and dust sheilds then your discs would be very useful. 

Do you also have the 245 dust shields?

I have one solid unmodded 245 back plate and one that has been cut to go over the hub and be fitted without removing the ABS sensor on my car.

On 29/05/2019 at 17:24, SashaGrace said:

It was the discs, correct S3 8P discs collected and they are spot on. Anyone with a 245 who wants a pair of new brembo discs pm me  

 

I am getting more confused by all this. I am trying to source all the parts to upgrade my 2017 230 vRS to 310 rears. According to the EBC website the rear discs for the R32, the S3 8P and the 245 are all the same. 310mm diameter and 48mm height and the same stock codes. I wonder why the 245 discs you had did not fit if, according to EBC, they should be identical. The rear discs for a 2014 model, 272mm, are also 48mm in height but naturally the front of the disc will be different as they are not as thick. Something does not add up and I'm not sure what.

I have ordered R32 calipers and 245 back plates, hoses, etc, but I am now unsure about what discs will fit.

3 minutes ago, Chimble said:

I am getting more confused by all this. I am trying to source all the parts to upgrade my 2017 230 vRS to 310 rears. According to the EBC website the rear discs for the R32, the S3 8P and the 245 are all the same. 310mm diameter and 48mm height and the same stock codes. I wonder why the 245 discs you had did not fit if, according to EBC, they should be identical. The rear discs for a 2014 model, 272mm, are also 48mm in height but naturally the front of the disc will be different as they are not as thick. Something does not add up and I'm not sure what.

I have ordered R32 calipers and 245 back plates, hoses, etc, but I am now unsure about what discs will fit.

The rear track of the 245 is wider than the 230 or Vrs TDI so that may be a reason.

7 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

The rear track of the 245 is wider than the 230 or Vrs TDI so that may be a reason.

Yes, I get that but if 245 discs do not fit a 2014 vRS  but S3 8P 's  do fit, that does not make sense if they are the same disc. The same goes for the GTI performance and the MK7 R, they all use the same disc. Therefore, if one for an S3 8P fits, so should a disc for a 245.

6 minutes ago, Chimble said:

Yes, I get that but if 245 discs do not fit a 2014 vRS  but S3 8P 's  do fit, that does not make sense if they are the same disc. The same goes for the GTI performance and the MK7 R, they all use the same disc. Therefore, if one for an S3 8P fits, so should a disc for a 245.

That's what Sasha thought and guess what they didn't fit on her estate.

4 minutes ago, Chimble said:

Yes, I get that but if 245 discs do not fit a 2014 vRS  but S3 8P 's  do fit, that does not make sense if they are the same disc. The same goes for the GTI performance and the MK7 R, they all use the same disc. Therefore, if one for an S3 8P fits, so should a disc for a 245.

My thinking is that the Caliper for the R32, S3, etc is designed to accommodate the additional thickness of the vented disc and any widening of the track for the vRS FL is before the hub, not after it, Hence the reason why all the discs are the same. It may be that SashaGrace did not have discs for a 245 after all. That can be the only explanation that I can think of. Or am I still missing something!!

1 minute ago, Chimble said:

My thinking is that the Caliper for the R32, S3, etc is designed to accommodate the additional thickness of the vented disc and any widening of the track for the vRS FL is before the hub, not after it, Hence the reason why all the discs are the same. It may be that SashaGrace did not have discs for a 245 after all. That can be the only explanation that I can think of. Or am I still missing something!!

I seem to remember her saying that even the dust shield that goes behind the 22mm thick rear vented disc would not fit also.

4 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

I seem to remember her saying that even the dust shield that goes behind the 22mm thick rear vented disc would not fit also.

Yes, I read that. I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth all the trouble now. It seems such a lottery getting the right parts. I guess that is the downside of having a Skoda. They use all the left over bits! Hey ho.

1 minute ago, Chimble said:

Yes, I read that. I'm beginning to wonder if it's worth all the trouble now. It seems such a lottery getting the right parts. I guess that is the downside of having a Skoda. They use all the left over bits! Hey ho.

Yeah that's why I bought the 245 when it was first launched because it had all the good bits from the Golf GTi Performance but with much more standard equipment and more space in the rear seat (wheelbase 50mm longer) and a huge 590 litre boot (380 in the Golf).Seemed an absolute bargain compared to the 230.

13 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Yeah that's why I bought the 245 when it was first launched because it had all the good bits from the Golf GTi Performance but with much more standard equipment and more space in the rear seat (wheelbase 50mm longer) and a huge 590 litre boot (380 in the Golf).Seemed an absolute bargain compared to the 230.

Yes, and not to mention the diif as well. 

The plot thickens, someone I was chatting to with an FL TDI is doing a 310 conversion with VBT adaptors for 356 calipers and when it was all bolted up the caliper sat 12mm the opposite way over the disc from my car. The 245 discs are deffo different, the offset is different on them even though they measure the same. I would try and bolt up the calipers on your car and see how they compare to what you have now and how they sit will dictate what discs you need.

9 hours ago, SashaGrace said:

The plot thickens, someone I was chatting to with an FL TDI is doing a 310 conversion with VBT adaptors for 356 calipers and when it was all bolted up the caliper sat 12mm the opposite way over the disc from my car. The 245 discs are deffo different, the offset is different on them even though they measure the same. I would try and bolt up the calipers on your car and see how they compare to what you have now and how they sit will dictate what discs you need.

All very confusing! 😫. I think you're right. I will fit the calipers when they arrive and have a measure up.

Edited 26 July, 20196 yr by Chimble

On 18/07/2019 at 20:06, SashaGrace said:

The FL setup is quite different. The callipers should fit but the discs have a narrower offset. I have a set of never used 245 brembo discs I can let go for cheap haha

Having finally got around to changing the rear discs on my 230 FL for the 310mm set-up, I have found no evidence of any difference in the off-set on the FL compared to our 2014 model. I have compared the 272 disc that I removed to the 272 disc on the 2014 model and they are identical. Likewise, the EBC part code for the pre -FL 272 disc is the same as for the FL 272 disc. The overall height of the disc is 48mm, exactly the same as the 310 vented discs I have fitted (Golf R32/vRS 245). If your Brembos did not fit I think you were sent the wrong discs.

The rear dust guards are different, as you mentioned in your post. The holes are in different places.

So in summary: Golf R32 callipers and carriers. R32 brake hose kit. R32 / 245 discs. 245 dust guards. All new bolts. EBC yellow stuff pads (I had to order the anti rattle clips from Ebay as EBC do not send them with their pads). ATE fluid. All fitted without a problem.

Edited 6 August, 20196 yr by Chimble

That’s odd indeed! Another car I have been helping an owner out with has had the same problem mine has had, it seems some cars will have everything bolt up and other cars won’t fit some reason.