My first effort of 5.12s was with an internet map 6 and when I looked at the logs it had no advance and a big gap between targeted boost and actual boost. 

 

I then went back to the standard map 3 which is a +6 psi for 98 octane. That map showed good advance and meeting boost targets. It  produced more boost than the aggressive map even though the targets were lower.

 

So tonight I used map 3.  0 - 100  4.75 seconds  (Launch control, Average 235 tyres, 1/3 tank 98, 13c - An invalid dragy result due to a 1.18% incline)

 

I also did a few runs logging so I'll have to check how it was performing log wise.

Edited 31 July, 20223 yr by Legion

Hey all,

 

Sorry to revive again this old thread. Relatively new owner of a 2018 Superb Sportline 272, loving it so far (other than the creaky sunroof but thats another story) 

 

The car is on a 3 year PCP agreement with 2 year Skoda warranty (first time for PCP, normally buy outright but end up buying cars that I plow money into and sell for a loss when I get bored every 2-3 years) My last car was a Octavia VRS mk3 220 TSI which wasnt mapped.

 

I can definitely tell the Superb is quicker, but I am still wanting more this early on into ownership. I physically can (although wont) remap as I dont want to have any issues with finance agreement (worse case scenario) or warranty (more likely) so I've been looking at the likes of the JB4, JB1, DTUK and RaceChip boxes. 

 

I've always been under the impression a remap is better, but the boxes sound a lot more sophisticated than the old ones that were little more than resistors for fueling and boost and come with the benefit of not worrying about car warranty. I'm leaning towards the JB4 based upon alot that I have read.

 

A few questions:

 

1. Do people tend to remove theirs when the car goes into garages for work/services? Is that a faff to do?

 

2. Does the JB4 have to be plugged into the OBD2 port all the time or is this for adjustment?

 

3. Has anyone noticed any difference with the gearbox behaviour? Is a gearbox tune beneficial on top? 

 

4. Any disadvantages? I am not racing around and redlining the car very often and one thing I enjoy is the mid range punch when on a B road, not so much racing away from the lights or track use. I know it wont be as individual to the car but it only has 45k on, so not worried about failing componentry or pushing big power.

 

5. Any issues with gearbox and slippage? I have the 7 speed DQ381. From reading I think Id be happy with Map 2 to start.

On 07/11/2024 at 18:09, Dooge said:

Hey all,

 

Sorry to revive again this old thread. Relatively new owner of a 2018 Superb Sportline 272, loving it so far (other than the creaky sunroof but thats another story) 

 

The car is on a 3 year PCP agreement with 2 year Skoda warranty (first time for PCP, normally buy outright but end up buying cars that I plow money into and sell for a loss when I get bored every 2-3 years) My last car was a Octavia VRS mk3 220 TSI which wasnt mapped.

 

I can definitely tell the Superb is quicker, but I am still wanting more this early on into ownership. I physically can (although wont) remap as I dont want to have any issues with finance agreement (worse case scenario) or warranty (more likely) so I've been looking at the likes of the JB4, JB1, DTUK and RaceChip boxes. 

 

I've always been under the impression a remap is better, but the boxes sound a lot more sophisticated than the old ones that were little more than resistors for fueling and boost and come with the benefit of not worrying about car warranty. I'm leaning towards the JB4 based upon alot that I have read.

 

A few questions:

 

1. Do people tend to remove theirs when the car goes into garages for work/services? Is that a faff to do?

 

2. Does the JB4 have to be plugged into the OBD2 port all the time or is this for adjustment?

 

3. Has anyone noticed any difference with the gearbox behaviour? Is a gearbox tune beneficial on top? 

 

4. Any disadvantages? I am not racing around and redlining the car very often and one thing I enjoy is the mid range punch when on a B road, not so much racing away from the lights or track use. I know it wont be as individual to the car but it only has 45k on, so not worried about failing componentry or pushing big power.

 

5. Any issues with gearbox and slippage? I have the 7 speed DQ381. From reading I think Id be happy with Map 2 to start.

Hello,

 

2022 280 dq250 owner here,

Been running JB4 for 2 years and just went to a racingline flash

 

to answer your questions:

1. I haven't removed mine since installation and i haven't had any issues, at least for me, but they made me sign a notice that there were additional wiring/wires on my 2nd service, so i would advise removing it before servicing.

2. it reads the data from the obd2 so any safety features i assume would be hampered, i would leave it plugged in for best performance.

3.  our gearboxes are different so it may differ but its enough even with the jb4, TCU tune would be safer when adding a downpipe and a remap.

4. the only disadvantage is always running highest quality fuel and that its not as smooth power delivery as a full-on flash, below 3.5k rpm it is perfectly normal it's only when you get on boost is where you'd feel it

5. no slippage for me but i had to cut boost by 50% when shifting because it would sometimes overboost if floored at high rpms and shifting at redline (auto) which would revert it to a safety map or map 0

 

although a remap is smoother, the performance is pretty close, 

jb4 map 6 ran 4.49 0-60

racingline stage 1 + TCU ran 4.38

 

Good luck.

8 hours ago, ShadoEcks said:

Hello,

 

2022 280 dq250 owner here,

Been running JB4 for 2 years and just went to a racingline flash

 

to answer your questions:

1. I haven't removed mine since installation and i haven't had any issues, at least for me, but they made me sign a notice that there were additional wiring/wires on my 2nd service, so i would advise removing it before servicing.

2. it reads the data from the obd2 so any safety features i assume would be hampered, i would leave it plugged in for best performance.

3.  our gearboxes are different so it may differ but its enough even with the jb4, TCU tune would be safer when adding a downpipe and a remap.

4. the only disadvantage is always running highest quality fuel and that its not as smooth power delivery as a full-on flash, below 3.5k rpm it is perfectly normal it's only when you get on boost is where you'd feel it

5. no slippage for me but i had to cut boost by 50% when shifting because it would sometimes overboost if floored at high rpms and shifting at redline (auto) which would revert it to a safety map or map 0

 

although a remap is smoother, the performance is pretty close, 

jb4 map 6 ran 4.49 0-60

racingline stage 1 + TCU ran 4.38

 

Good luck.

2022 but you’re running a Dq250? Wouldn’t you have the dq381? Wet clutch 7 speed.

When it comes to the boxes, RacingLine do one now too. But the additional benefit is that if/when you decide to move to a full remap, you get it free as long as you’ve bought from an official dealer. 
 

The boxes can control boost and fuel to match, but there are other elements such as ignition timing and fuel/air ration that they can’t change so that’s what their improvements are limited. 
 

I’ve got a 2021 280 so Gen4 engine and DQ381 gearbox. The tune is Stage 1 which gives a quoted 400bhp but with an R600 induction setup with intake hose it should be a little more than that; probably around 420. 
You have the option of a reduced torque upgrade if you don’t have the dsg remapped but for me it was a no-brainer. The torque pick-up is noticeable from when the boost starts to appear around 2k revs. 

After that to move to Stage1+ you need an uprated intercooler to around 435, and then a high-flow cat for Stage 2 pushing towards 450 (these are only quoted figures though) so you really start to get a law of diminishing returns. I’ve got updated coil packs on mine although opinion is divided as to their impact - for me I thought they’d at least help to make sure the spark is decent all the way through the rev range. The additional maps are all free with the self-flashing PDM. 

 

So there’s all that in the mix - buy a racing line box now, then get to upgrade properly if/when you want to…

8 hours ago, travs said:

2022 but you’re running a Dq250? Wouldn’t you have the dq381? Wet clutch 7 speed.

2022 is38, dq250 6 speed and gen 3, market variant didn't come with the new continental turbo, what are your 0-60 and 100-200 times if you could provide them I'm curious.

1 hour ago, ShadoEcks said:

2022 is38, dq250 6 speed and gen 3, market variant didn't come with the new continental turbo, what are your 0-60 and 100-200 times if you could provide them I'm curious.

Haven’t done any running/testing; that’s why I always caveat my figures as quoted/theoretical.

I will get the car dyno’d at some point but not a priority this year. How do you record your times?
 

That’s some hell of a crossover; mine’s March 2021 and is DNFE engine; gen4, continental turbo, DQ381 7 speed - is that a UK car?

 

Edited 6 December, 20241 yr by travs

4 hours ago, travs said:

Haven’t done any running/testing; that’s why I always caveat my figures as quoted/theoretical.

I will get the car dyno’d at some point but not a priority this year. How do you record your times?
 

That’s some hell of a crossover; mine’s March 2021 and is DNFE engine; gen4, continental turbo, DQ381 7 speed - is that a UK car?

 

used a dragy, racingline stage 1 quotes ~360hp?

even a rough estimate using speedo is fine, i wonder if the extra 50 hp in stage 1 would make it break 3s 0-60 

i am yet to measure a 100-200, I probably won't though.

1 hour ago, ShadoEcks said:

used a dragy, racingline stage 1 quotes ~360hp?

even a rough estimate using speedo is fine, i wonder if the extra 50 hp in stage 1 would make it break 3s 0-60 

i am yet to measure a 100-200, I probably won't though.

 

Racingline reports 400bhp for Stage 1 on Gen4 engine no matter what the original output was. Verified with them as there wasn't the car listed - but if you scroll down to the "Applications" section on the page, but there is now.

 

https://www.racinglinetuning.com/ea888-4-continental-software

 

Can only presume the hardware is all pretty much the same, and so applying the map to all types results in the same output. The Gen3 with the is38 turbo is 365 from Non-GPF engines (ie the original 280) or 350 for GPF engines (ie the 272bhp version). If yours is a late Gen3 then it'll be 272 originally but I'm shocked if yours is 2022 and still has the Gen3 engine; it must have been sitting around in stock for a while unless you're not UK and the facelift trickled down a little later.  

On 06/12/2024 at 17:49, travs said:

 

Racingline reports 400bhp for Stage 1 on Gen4 engine no matter what the original output was. Verified with them as there wasn't the car listed - but if you scroll down to the "Applications" section on the page, but there is now.

 

https://www.racinglinetuning.com/ea888-4-continental-software

 

Can only presume the hardware is all pretty much the same, and so applying the map to all types results in the same output. The Gen3 with the is38 turbo is 365 from Non-GPF engines (ie the original 280) or 350 for GPF engines (ie the 272bhp version). If yours is a late Gen3 then it'll be 272 originally but I'm shocked if yours is 2022 and still has the Gen3 engine; it must have been sitting around in stock for a while unless you're not UK and the facelift trickled down a little later.  

Did a 3.97 in the wet, racingline stage 2 now (387hp 533nm)
Overall it's good but the gearbox is jerky.

Also thinking of going stage 3 (much later), either mamba gtx3071r or eqt vortex xl, concerned about stock rods on stage 3 torque though, and since my climate is hot, I will also need cooling to go with it...

Didn’t see if you confirmed your engine/gearbox.

2022 car should be gen4 and DQ381 7speed? How come you have the DQ250 6speed?

13 hours ago, travs said:

Didn’t see if you confirmed your engine/gearbox.

2022 car should be gen4 and DQ381 7speed? How come you have the DQ250 6speed?

It's a market variant, even mk8 golf gti/R that released initially in my area (not sure about now) had the previous ea888.3 (also not sure if they came with the dq381 or dq250)
You're right in that it should've been the gen 4 and dq381, but that's how they specced it

3 minutes ago, ShadoEcks said:

It's a market variant, even mk8 golf gti/R that released initially in my area (not sure about now) had the previous ea888.3 (also not sure if they came with the dq381 or dq250)
You're right in that it should've been the gen 4 and dq381, but that's how they specced it

Also racingline knows about the variant, 2022 but with is38

I think it just reads the spec that is there rather than be conscious of it being significantly different to EU timeline.

In my experience far too many tuner databases don’t seem aware of the engine changes with the facelift. Just options to select either 280 or 272 and the 280 is clearly or explicitly the gen3.

I have had to buy stuff on the basis of selecting a Golf mk8 R because Škoda Superb mk3 280 or even my number plate still doesn’t bring up the right options.

Pity as all the Gen4 engines are the same physically with different ECUs so remaps apply the same and they all come out with c.400bhp. +70 for the 330bhp variants, but 120bhp for the DNFE in Superb and some Arteons.