Has anyone actually removed the stop start

[fabdavrav]

MK7 Golf has had this since day one & loads are 4yrs old plus..like mine...stop start kills the batteries….& VAG skim on them in terms of AH capacity....

 

 

You cannot remove the stop start system without VCDS to reprogram various modules...& nobody on the MK7 forums has tried it when you can easily alter either the temp or voltage settings with VCDS which basically puts that parameter way out so it does not activate....

 

First thing I did when I bought the car...& yes I do know how to drive....just having to have the clutch pedal down to stop the S/S activating for a short stop at traffic lights/pedestrian crossing is not idiotic...…& I laugh when I used pedestrian crossing to hear the S/S systems on cars shut the engine off....then 10secs later the engine has to fire up again....good way to strain the engine & use more fuel etc....

[Markus]

Update, 

 

I found a vag specialist (PSI) in Newcastle under Lyme , close to me. Yesterday I got them to permanently deactivate the stop/start and it's brilliant. I never had it on, it's a pain at junctions or busy roads, when someone let's you out, the split second it takes for the engine restart and begin to move is embarrassing, they think you've stalled. Not anymore. Cost £45 and it's reversible should it be required (not a chance) 

[gregoir]

On 03/05/2019 at 20:02, fabdavrav said:

MK7 Golf has had this since day one & loads are 4yrs old plus..like mine...stop start kills the batteries….& VAG skim on them in terms of AH capacity....

 

 

You cannot remove the stop start system without VCDS to reprogram various modules...& nobody on the MK7 forums has tried it when you can easily alter either the temp or voltage settings with VCDS which basically puts that parameter way out so it does not activate....

 

First thing I did when I bought the car...& yes I do know how to drive....just having to have the clutch pedal down to stop the S/S activating for a short stop at traffic lights/pedestrian crossing is not idiotic...…& I laugh when I used pedestrian crossing to hear the S/S systems on cars shut the engine off....then 10secs later the engine has to fire up again....good way to strain the engine & use more fuel etc....

Not a good idea to laugh at motorists. Especially if you live in Penge.

Engine strain? More like emissions reduction.

[ExSEAT]

1 hour ago, Markus said:

Cost £45 and it's reversible should it be required (not a chance) 

Good work if you can get it!

[Bouncypete]

 

 

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On 03/05/2019 at 20:02, fabdavrav said:

I laugh when I used pedestrian crossing to hear the S/S systems on cars shut the engine off....then 10secs later the engine has to fire up again....good way to strain the engine & use more fuel etc....

Wow, you seem to really know all about cars.

 

I've had people who really know about cars, tell me I shouldn't have bought a 1.0 Octavia. "Such a small engine in a big body won't last a long time". Really, the 1.0 Octavia engine is 115 BHP per litre.

 

By their logic my 17-year-old, 137K mile 225 BHP Audi TT (which is 125 BHP per litre) should have blown up 16.5 years ago so I'm on borrowed time, quick, I'd better sell it.

[MarkyG82]

The guys on Engineering Explained did a load of testing and theory on S/S and discovered that for the car he was using you needed to stop for at least 7 seconds to realise the benefit of saving fuel.  I can quite easily wait for that long in some of the driving I do.  I disabled it on mine due to the way it responded when wanting to pull away.  I'm also happy that my battery will not get the same bashing.  Starters motors etc are designed for it so I had no worries in that regard.

[fane87]

On 02/05/2019 at 13:37, ahenners said:

 

You can alter a parameter with VCDS or OBDEleven to raise the battery voltage required for stop/start to be active. Raise it high enough and it never kicks in. Plenty of people on here have done this.

Yes, i have done this for over 2 years with no issues: increased the voltage to 12.1 by using obdeleven.

[Dr1ver]

I have the vRS TSI DSG and I turn it off as soon as I get in. It’s probably not even an issue but I do like the engine to be running and kept “warm” so to speak, but I’m sure in reality there isn’t a need for this to be the case. That said, I’d be very curious to see what the real world fuel savings would be?

[shyVRS245]

Always use the stop/start on my petrol Vrs and get between 38-42 mpg on my 27 mile commute. Don't understand why anyone would want to switch it off personally unless you like higher fuel bills and less money in your account.

[z1ts]

Forums seem to be the only place S/S lovers ever congregate...........

 

Real world experience of researching this face-to-face with people and I've NEVER found a S/S lover!!!

 

Just my £0.02 worth!

 

(Incidentally I loathe it and have turned it off using the voltage tweak described above on all my cars....)

[gregoir]

Who me? No, just a regular member who wants the car to run as per manufactures spec. And not have low 12V battery warnings.

[shyVRS245]

3 hours ago, z1ts said:

Forums seem to be the only place S/S lovers ever congregate...........

 

Real world experience of researching this face-to-face with people and I've NEVER found a S/S lover!!!

 

Just my £0.02 worth!

 

(Incidentally I loathe it and have turned it off using the voltage tweak described above on all my cars....)

Well I LOVE it on both our Skoda's and we get some of the highest figures shown on this forum. How about 63.2mpg 148bhp petrol Karoq on my 27 mile commute. You won't find anyone on here with a better result. Current long term 50.7mpg also.

[edbostan]

I was driving my brother-in-laws Yeti with DSG along the M6 when the roadworks caused stop and start for a number of miles. By feathering the brake pedal I could prevent the start/stop operating. I gave up in the end because I was not sure if I was damaging the auto gearbox clutch system.

[shyVRS245]

Westminster Council has asked Michael Gove, the Enviroment Secretary, for powers to be given to Traffic Wardens to hand out Instant Fines to drivers who sit in their cars with the engine idling. He stated that he supports the idea. You have been warned this will become law if enough MP's decide it is a good for our children.

[logiclee]

28 minutes ago, edbostan said:

I was driving my brother-in-laws Yeti with DSG along the M6 when the roadworks caused stop and start for a number of miles. By feathering the brake pedal I could prevent the start/stop operating. I gave up in the end because I was not sure if I was damaging the auto gearbox clutch system.

 

If it was a 6 speed wet clutch DSG then doubtful, if it was a 7 speed dry clutch then yes feathering the clutch using a light brake pedal will cause some clutch wear.

[logiclee]

25 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Westminster Council has asked Michael Gove, the Enviroment Secretary, for powers to be given to Traffic Wardens to hand out Instant Fines to drivers who sit in their cars with the engine idling. He stated that he supports the idea. You have been warned this will become law if enough MP's decide it is a good for our children.

 

How would a traffic warden know which models have stop/start?

 

Anyway the law is for engines left idling "unnecessarily"  Great definition for the lawyers that one.

[flybynite]

21 minutes ago, logiclee said:

If it was a 6 speed wet clutch DSG then doubtful

 

Why? If you are slipping the wet clutch, it will still wear. You can end up contaminating the oil as well. 

 

The DSG oil came out of my last one (which I slipped) a very different colour and condition to this one (which I don't)

[shyVRS245]

6 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

How would a traffic warden know which models have stop/start?

 

Anyway the law is for engines left idling "unnecessarily"  Great definition for the lawyers that one.

Won't matter whether it's fitted or not. Driver will be asked to switch off the engine or face a fine. To stop Taxi drivers sitting in cars engine running waiting for next fare.

[logiclee]

1 minute ago, flybynite said:

 

Why? If you are slipping the wet clutch, it will still wear. You can end up contaminating the oil as well. 

 

The DSG oil came out of my last one (which I slipped) a very different colour and condition to this one (which I don't)

 

Yes but the DQ250 was designed to slip, it will even slur along in 2nd in stop start traffic rather than change to 1st.  Yes there is some wear and yes oil gets contaminated hence the services but clutch wear on the DQ250 is not a big issue when creeping/feathering.

The DQ200 is a totally different story though.

[logiclee]

6 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

Won't matter whether it's fitted or not. Driver will be asked to switch off the engine or face a fine. To stop Taxi drivers sitting in cars engine running waiting for next fare.

 

Yes sitting with the engine running parked up waiting for a fair is unnecessary. 

 

In stop start traffic in a car with no stop/start and a battery and starter system not designed for constant stop/start? Maybe a lawyer will argue it was necessary to keep it running.

 

And that's they grey area they will create with the current wording.

Edited 22 May, 2019 by logiclee

[flybynite]

8 minutes ago, logiclee said:

Yes but the DQ250 was designed to slip................the DQ200 is a totally different story though.

 

I'm curious, how exactly does the DQ200 work differently, not being designed to slip?. Not an expert on the DQ200 but would imagine they are both designed to slip a similar amount in normal operation.

 

The dry-clutch will overheat faster but both will wear. I would not slip my DQ250, quickest way to a clogged filter from what I have seen. Not a good idea to slip any clutch regularly IMHO.

 

If you want to keep the engine running, hit the button, but press the brake hard enough to disengage the DSG clutches

 

Don't know about yours but mine jogs along in second in traffic with no slip, when gets too slow it drops to first.  Only after that does it seem to start to slip.

 

[ExSEAT]

We are having some pickets on the gates at work, taking an hour and a half minimum to get the 11 miles to work. Checked this morning and I had done something like 64 miles in 6 hours 50 minutes. Start stop going the whole way. Sure its saved me a fair bit of fuel and emissions under those circumstances given the first 9 miles are at 40 to 60mph

[logiclee]

10 hours ago, flybynite said:

 

I'm curious, how exactly does the DQ200 work differently, not being designed to slip?. Not an expert on the DQ200 but would imagine they are both designed to slip a similar amount in normal operation.

 

The dry-clutch will overheat faster but both will wear. I would not slip my DQ250, quickest way to a clogged filter from what I have seen. Not a good idea to slip any clutch regularly IMHO.

 

If you want to keep the engine running, hit the button, but press the brake hard enough to disengage the DSG clutches

 

Don't know about yours but mine jogs along in second in traffic with no slip, when gets too slow it drops to first.  Only after that does it seem to start to slip.

 

 

The mapping of the clutches on the DQ250 and DQ200 is totally different.

 

And there's differences in mapping between diesel and petrol. The diesel DQ250's do slip more than the petrol DQ250's.

 

I've run 4 DQ250's and 5 DQ200's both petrol and diesel.  The DQ200 will always try to be engaged or disengaged as soon as possible, it doesn't like to slip which means it's nowhere near as smooth for low speed manoeuvres.

And as a side note the four DQ250's run for a total of 270k miles without a single issues. Four out of the Five DQ200's required warranty work and the last one was in for warranty three times.

 

Lee

Edited 23 May, 2019 by logiclee

[MarkyG82]

10 hours ago, flybynite said:

 

Don't know about yours but mine jogs along in second in traffic with no slip, when gets too slow it drops to first.  Only after that does it seem to start to slip.

 

 

14 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

The mapping of the clutches on the DQ250 and DQ200 is totally different.

 

And there's differences in mapping between diesel and petrol. The diesel DQ250's do slip more than the petrol DQ250's.

 

 

That would make sense as my diesel likes to get into 2nd as soon as it can then slips until going fast enough to fully engage.  Slowing down it wont go into 1st until nearly at a complete stop.  It's for this reason I put the box in 'S' when in slow traffic.  Keeps it fully engaged in a lower gear which I hope will make it last a bit longer.

 

Bearing in mind this is side discussion from the OP, going further sideways... I hear that in 'S' the box puts more pressure on the plates, is this true and as a result can it dynamically handle more torque in the process?  As an example, I have tuning box fitted and it makes 'D' nicer to drive but it seems to produce more when in 'S'.  Do you think the box is allowing the engine to provide more?

[fabdavrav]

19 hours ago, Bouncypete said:

Wow, you seem to really know all about cars.

 

I've had people who really know about cars, tell me I shouldn't have bought a 1.0 Octavia. "Such a small engine in a big body won't last a long time". Really, the 1.0 Octavia engine is 115 BHP per litre.

 

By their logic my 17-year-old, 137K mile 225 BHP Audi TT (which is 125 BHP per litre) should have blown up 16.5 years ago so I'm on borrowed time, quick, I'd better sell it.

 

 

MK7 Golf has been out & had stop start slightly longer than the MK3 Octavia....plenty with failed batteries early on...& a few starter motors knackered....

 

The Manufactures are supposed to uprate & fit stronger components for the Stop start systems...but it is well known they still skimp & the components failed early as not up to the task..case in point the batteries...mases failing at under 3yrs all around the world...some at 2yrs..(based on MK7 Golf forums)….

 

As far as emissions go well I don't buy it for short "stop" periods under 15secs.....just another false sop to the green lobby...& look where that got us when they decided to promote Diesel over Petrol as it had low CO2..so nice & green.....just ignore the well known problems with particulates which others were complaining about at the time but were ignored...now the air is paying the price..muppets!!

 

I as for your 1lt Octavia....I NEVER go by engine capacity alone.....I like small lightweight High output engines...makes for better handling as less nose weight....

 

MK1 Fabia was available in the Elegance spec with a 2lt petrol engine which put out circa 118bhp & 128lbft....

 

MK3 Fabia 1lt petrol 108bhp & 148lbft...…& most probably a big difference in nose weight/handling….

 

 

MK1 Octavia was available with a puny 59bhp & 89lbft...….from a 1.4lt 8v.....that is a bad power/weight